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    Re: Kentucky Derby Controversy

    It's times like these that I'm glad I'm not a fan of horse-racing...all other times, too.

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    Re: Kentucky Derby Controversy

    Quote Originally Posted by feldspar View Post
    It's times like these that I'm glad I'm not a fan of horse-racing...all other times, too.
    But you just had to follow the story and comment. How does that work?

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    Re: Kentucky Derby Controversy

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    But you just had to follow the story and comment. How does that work?
    It works just fine, thanks.

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    Re: Kentucky Derby Controversy

    Easy Call.
    They made the right call. The only reason why it took 22 minutes was because it was the Kentucky Derby.
    If that's any other race/track that same call would have been made in 2 minutes.

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    Re: Kentucky Derby Controversy

    Quote Originally Posted by Mace View Post
    I don't know anything about horse racing, didn't see it or the replay, and all I've read about it was in this thread. I strongly believe however, that it was a legitimate DQ just to disagree with Pink.


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    Re: Kentucky Derby Controversy

    The only horse racing I watch are the triple crown races but I can see why the horse was disqualified. His back legs were almost on the front legs of the horse he cut in front of. Could of easily tripped the horse and caused a pile up. Being a casual race watcher I don't know how often that happens if it's usually overlooked?

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    As far as the topic under discussion goes...

    I heard that the owner of Maximum Security was not going to race him in the Preakness.
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    Re: Kentucky Derby Controversy

    I heard that the owner of Maximum Security was not going to race him in the Preakness.
    It seems to me that it would be better to run him and possibly win.... and who knows, maybe the Belmont. Then he could unofficially claim that he has a Triple Crown winner. I don't think he will have any luck with the appeal to overturn the DQ at the Derby though.

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    Re: Kentucky Derby Controversy

    Quote Originally Posted by Cntrygal View Post
    It seems to me that it would be better to run him and possibly win.... and who knows, maybe the Belmont. Then he could unofficially claim that he has a Triple Crown winner. I don't think he will have any luck with the appeal to overturn the DQ at the Derby though.
    Is it just a case of cutting off your nose to spite your face?

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    Re: Kentucky Derby Controversy

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    Is it just a case of cutting off your nose to spite your face?

    I think so.

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    Re: Kentucky Derby Controversy

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    I think so.
    That's petty!

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    Re: Kentucky Derby Controversy

    I wondered about this.....

    “The incident that happened on Derby Day, that’s not going to be a factor in breeders’ minds,” said Ric Waldman, a bloodlines expert and consultant who has managed the breeding of some of horse racing’s most successful sires. “… It doesn’t matter. We can speculate whether he was going to win the race without the problem. With that traffic problem that he caused, in breeders’ minds, it shouldn’t take away from the impact that he has made as a racehorse.”

    Now, I wonder if his stud value would have increased if allowed to race the Preakness and Belmont.

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    Re: Kentucky Derby Controversy

    As a "racing fan" here's my take. This is what I wrote on a message board of horseplayers. :

    Here's the problem I have with the DQ. There are 144 years of history where many horses have been interfered with and lost all chance at various points of the race. It was like there was an unwritten rule that no matter what happens you don't take one of the top finishers and especially the winner down. I can think of a few horses over the years who got bounced around all over the place and nobody ever considered taking action against any of the horses who bothered those other horses. It's a much bigger field than just about every other race in the USA. It's a much bigger crowd with more crowd noise than most other races. In the past I thought the stewards understood how unique this race is and gave more benefit of the doubt than in a normal race with a normal sized field of 14 or fewer horses and a normal crowd (like a crowd on a weekday at Belmont that couldn't make enough noise to wake a sleeping man).

    Now the public is on notice that the stewards will be looking at the rodeo & are willing to take the best horse down for something they didn't do for the past 144 years. Seriously, it makes me less inclined to bet future Derbies to the extent I usually do for fear that if my horse touches another horse at any point of the race & wins, I may end up getting DQd.

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    Re: Kentucky Derby Controversy

    Here's the rest of the story: Among horseplayers the trainer of Maximum Security, the horse who finished 1st, Jason Servis, is suspected as a cheat. He wins at an unusually high percentage & when he claims a horse (there are races where all horses are, in football terms, on waivers and can be purchased for the stated price listed in the race conditions) he wins with those claims at a much higher percentage than most other trainers. This horse started his career in a $16,000 maiden claimer. Servis & the owners are very lucky nobody claimed the horse.

    Many people think that if the situation was reversed and Racing Hall Of Famer Bill Mott's horse had won and did the same thing that Jason Servis' horse did and the result would have been elevating the Servis trained horse to 1st, they would have never disqualified the Mott trained horse.

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    Re: Kentucky Derby Controversy

    Just too many horses...


    "Is the Derby field size a problem?
    West went on the "Today" show on Monday and said he thinks the Kentucky Derby has gotten too big due to the greed of Churchill Downs, citing the cap of 14 entrants in the Kentucky Oaks and Breeders' Cup races.

    There have been many arguments over the years that the Derby should be run with fewer horses, and one suggestion is that number be 14, which is the typical number of horses one starting gate can hold. Churchill Downs has to use an auxiliary gate in order to have a 20-horse field.

    The Derby field was capped at 20 horses following a record 23-horse field in 1974, but it wasn't until the 2000s that 20 horses actually became the standard. The average field size this decade is 19.4 runners vs. the average of 14.9 seen in the 1970s. Saturday's race featured 19 horses after two horses scratched.

    Don't expect anything to change soon with so many owners desperate to run their horses in one of the world's most important races."


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