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    A case for Pominville, Justin Williams, Boyle, Vanek

    Are 3rd & 4th lines set in Buffalo yet?

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    Re: A case for Pominville, Justin Williams, Boyle, Vanek

    That’s an expensive bottom six. I know those guys are way past their prime and won’t command huge contracts at this point, but they ain’t working for vet min either.

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    Re: A case for Pominville, Justin Williams, Boyle, Vanek

    Botts made comments of keeping Pommy in close discussion so think he could be a back pocket idea if we're not happy with our roster once the preseason starts. Personally, I think he'd be nice to have back to reunite with Eichel and Skinner as they were a great line early last season.

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    Re: A case for Pominville, Justin Williams, Boyle, Vanek

    Zemgus - Boyle - Pominville

    id get hard with that as a 4th line

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    Re: A case for Pominville, Justin Williams, Boyle, Vanek

    Quote Originally Posted by coastal View Post
    Zemgus - Boyle - Pominville

    id get hard with that as a 4th line
    Pominville is a lot of things but was never a candidate for the checking line.

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    Re: A case for Pominville, Justin Williams, Boyle, Vanek

    Quote Originally Posted by Swiper View Post
    Pominville is a lot of things but was never a candidate for the checking line.
    Good thing you don’t know sh1t...

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    Re: A case for Pominville, Justin Williams, Boyle, Vanek

    Our upgrade need to come on the 2nd line (especially center). If we're successful, that pushes everyone down to 3rd and 4th lines. While Pom and Vanek would probably be a slight bit better than our current talent, they are very short term solutions. Probably better off keeping our current talent, maybe bring Pom back but that's about it IMO.

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    Re: A case for Pominville, Justin Williams, Boyle, Vanek

    Quote Originally Posted by coastal View Post
    Good thing you don’t know sh1t...
    Look who's talking. Pominville on the checking line. LOL.

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    Re: A case for Pominville, Justin Williams, Boyle, Vanek

    Quote Originally Posted by Swiper View Post
    Look who's talking. Pominville on the checking line. LOL.
    He provides that line with some scoring punch. His underlying stats are actually very positive. Good news is he can move up the line up, provide scoring depth, would be cheap, and be a leader. If that's on the fourth line, so be it.

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    Re: A case for Pominville, Justin Williams, Boyle, Vanek

    I would argue that a true "checking line" doesn't exist in today's NHL. Just variations of scoring line with different amounts of playing time. If you wanted them to actually be a checking line, you would need to match them up with a scoring line and I can't imagine any team in the NHL giving their 4th or even 3rd line 20 min a game to check in all situations. If they still only get their 7 min a game, they aren't a checking line they are a give the top guys a break line.

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    Re: A case for Pominville, Justin Williams, Boyle, Vanek

    Quote Originally Posted by mightysimi View Post
    I would argue that a true "checking line" doesn't exist in today's NHL. Just variations of scoring line with different amounts of playing time. If you wanted them to actually be a checking line, you would need to match them up with a scoring line and I can't imagine any team in the NHL giving their 4th or even 3rd line 20 min a game to check in all situations. If they still only get their 7 min a game, they aren't a checking line they are a give the top guys a break line.
    You miss the point. And coastal is as clueless as they come. You will need some sort of a true checking line that you can run out on the ice to play against the opponent's top line for some shifts. Pominville is slow and can't do that. The notion of putting him on the 4th line is stupid. He can only fit one place. Right wing on the 3rd line. Is his 15/15 for vet minimum going to be enough? I could live with that. But its been a few years since he could keep up with the opponents top line let alone back check and block shots. The idea is so stupid that it's laughable. Even if the 4th line is only getting 7 to 10 minutes a game.

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    Re: A case for Pominville, Justin Williams, Boyle, Vanek

    Quote Originally Posted by Swiper View Post
    You miss the point. And coastal is as clueless as they come. You will need some sort of a true checking line that you can run out on the ice to play against the opponent's top line for some shifts. Pominville is slow and can't do that. The notion of putting him on the 4th line is stupid. He can only fit one place. Right wing on the 3rd line. Is his 15/15 for vet minimum going to be enough? I could live with that. But its been a few years since he could keep up with the opponents top line let alone back check and block shots. The idea is so stupid that it's laughable. Even if the 4th line is only getting 7 to 10 minutes a game.
    Find me a true checking line that matches up with top lines. On top of the fact that you only get the match up in the home games. So you create a checking line that doesn't score and doesn't get the matchups in 50% of the games. The reason why coaches play top lines against each other is that usually, top lines don't play d that well and it can be exploited. I rarely see a 4th line play against anyone that isn't the other 4th line. In fact teams try to catch the other team's 4th line out there. Is there any thought in any coaches head that if there is an icing, with the 4th line out there, that their top scoring line goes out? So if coaches aren't afraid of the matchups, you only get the matchup half the time, why are you wasting 3 spots on your team?

    Now could Pominville play 7-8 min a game, maybe chip in a little on O, be a good leader and because he is a veteran not give up too many breakdowns? I think that answer is yes although it will depend on his speed. In my opinion, specially on the wings on the 4th line is where you play your kids who need some experience but are almost there. They get NHL level coaching, facilities and learn NHL habits from the guys who are good enough to stay there. So I think you could use Pominville but I don't think you should.

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    Re: A case for Pominville, Justin Williams, Boyle, Vanek

    I didn't say Pominville doesn't have some attractive attributes, but he's a 3rd line player, not a 4th. With Sheary and Okposo still on the team there doesn't appear to be room for Pominville.

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    Re: A case for Pominville, Justin Williams, Boyle, Vanek

    Quote Originally Posted by Swiper View Post
    I didn't say Pominville doesn't have some attractive attributes, but he's a 3rd line player, not a 4th. With Sheary and Okposo still on the team there doesn't appear to be room for Pominville.
    Good problem to have. A guy who can slide up and down the lineup and be an above replacement player and provide vet leadership. Shoot, injuries happen. Hell be perfect.

    Also, sheary fits on the left side
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    Re: A case for Pominville, Justin Williams, Boyle, Vanek

    Quote Originally Posted by JATMtheJATM View Post
    Good problem to have. A guy who can slide up and down the lineup and be an above replacement player and provide vet leadership. Shoot, injuries happen. Hell be perfect.

    Also, sheary fits on the left side
    But Okposo on the right. The Sabres have some log jams as it is without Pominville. They have some things to figure out on defense and left wing. They need to parlay the overload into a solid #2 center. If there is room to bring Pominville back, they should do it. His 15/16 last season was nothing to sneeze at from where he played in the line-up. He is a Sabre through and through and helps the locker room. I just think the Sabres have to shake out their roster a little. If they could find a way to dump Okposo, Scandella and Bogosian this season that would be great. But not expecting that.

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    Re: A case for Pominville, Justin Williams, Boyle, Vanek

    Quote Originally Posted by Swiper View Post
    But Okposo on the right. The Sabres have some log jams as it is without Pominville. They have some things to figure out on defense and left wing. They need to parlay the overload into a solid #2 center. If there is room to bring Pominville back, they should do it. His 15/16 last season was nothing to sneeze at from where he played in the line-up. He is a Sabre through and through and helps the locker room. I just think the Sabres have to shake out their roster a little. If they could find a way to dump Okposo, Scandella and Bogosian this season that would be great. But not expecting that.
    Imagine if he was the 13th forward.

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    Re: A case for Pominville, Justin Williams, Boyle, Vanek

    Is Reinhart only a winger now? Have they given up on him being 2c?

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    Re: A case for Pominville, Justin Williams, Boyle, Vanek

    Quote Originally Posted by mightysimi View Post
    Is Reinhart only a winger now? Have they given up on him being 2c?
    Mittlestadt and cozens should fill that role down the line. They both are terrific talents. Mittlestadt just needs to ripe a bit

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    Re: A case for Pominville, Justin Williams, Boyle, Vanek

    Quote Originally Posted by mightysimi View Post
    Is Reinhart only a winger now? Have they given up on him being 2c?
    It appears so. I think they would only use his there in a pinch.

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