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    NYTimes Screws Up New Kavanaugh 'Allegation'

    For those that may have missed it, over the weekend the NY Times published an essay that made a new sexual assault allegation against Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh from his time at Yale. The essay is behind a paywall, but here is the link for those interested:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/14/s...irez-yale.html

    So why does my thread title say they screwed up? Because the 'allegation' is sourced from a male friend of the alleged victim and the victim refused to be interviewed for the essay before the NY Times published and they didn't originally disclose that. Additionally, other news agencies have found that other friends of the alleged victim say she has no memory of this alleged incident. But now we have this woman's name out in the public and in the middle of a nightmare that she clearly didn't have any interest in being a part of. There is no telling if the alleged incident occurred or not, but now it doesn't matter because this woman and her history is going to be dug through, dissected and assumed about and for what? The alleged victim in this story will now be subject to further harm because the NY Times had to run a story that wasn't ready and a candidate running for the Democratic nomination had to comment and use this to try and make it politically expedient.

    The entire process here sucks and there is nothing good that will come out of this. In the end we all lose.
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    Re: NYTimes Screws Up New Kavanaugh 'Allegation'

    #meToo

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    Re: NYTimes Screws Up New Kavanaugh 'Allegation'

    the incident that was sourced from the friend is from a completely different incident than the one that happened to ms. ramirez

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    Re: NYTimes Screws Up New Kavanaugh 'Allegation'

    Quote Originally Posted by CommissarSpartacus View Post
    #meToo
    frankly i think it's shameful how men like you are trying so desperately to discredit the #metoo movement, which has ultimately been a force for good. you frightened that women are finally speaking up about the abuses they've had to deal with, both in the workplace and in life itself? does that thought scare you?

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    Re: NYTimes Screws Up New Kavanaugh 'Allegation'

    Quote Originally Posted by SupremeParentHater View Post
    frankly i think it's shameful how men like you are trying so desperately to discredit the #metoo movement, which has ultimately been a force for good. you frightened that women are finally speaking up about the abuses they've had to deal with, both in the workplace and in life itself? does that thought scare you?
    You are using the "can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs" rationalization.

    Is it okay to lynch black guys if the guilty outnumber the innocent?

    Is the death penalty ultimately a force for good if most of the guys they execute are guilty?

    Why should a woman's uncorroborated testimony be considered more believable than a man's? Because men are bigger and stronger than women?

    Because if they don't they will be shamed as supporting abusers?

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    Re: NYTimes Screws Up New Kavanaugh 'Allegation'

    Quote Originally Posted by DraftBoy View Post
    For those that may have missed it, over the weekend the NY Times published an essay that made a new sexual assault allegation against Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh from his time at Yale. The essay is behind a paywall, but here is the link for those interested:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/14/s...irez-yale.html

    So why does my thread title say they screwed up? Because the 'allegation' is sourced from a male friend of the alleged victim and the victim refused to be interviewed for the essay before the NY Times published and they didn't originally disclose that. Additionally, other news agencies have found that other friends of the alleged victim say she has no memory of this alleged incident. But now we have this woman's name out in the public and in the middle of a nightmare that she clearly didn't have any interest in being a part of. There is no telling if the alleged incident occurred or not, but now it doesn't matter because this woman and her history is going to be dug through, dissected and assumed about and for what? The alleged victim in this story will now be subject to further harm because the NY Times had to run a story that wasn't ready and a candidate running for the Democratic nomination had to comment and use this to try and make it politically expedient.

    The entire process here sucks and there is nothing good that will come out of this. In the end we all lose.
    I saw a tweet from an alleged former roommate of Cavanaugh. The claim was he called the FBI with information and the FBI never followed up.

    Just something I read

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    Re: NYTimes Screws Up New Kavanaugh 'Allegation'

    Quote Originally Posted by CommissarSpartacus View Post
    You are using the "can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs" rationalization.

    Is it okay to lynch black guys if the guilty outnumber the innocent?

    Is the death penalty ultimately a force for good if most of the guys they execute are guilty?

    Why should a woman's uncorroborated testimony be considered more believable than a man's? Because men are bigger and stronger than women?

    Because if they don't they will be shamed as supporting abusers?
    you're equating murder with being outed as a sexual predator which is ****ing dumb and you know it

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    Re: NYTimes Screws Up New Kavanaugh 'Allegation'

    Quote Originally Posted by SupremeParentHater View Post
    you're equating murder with being outed as a sexual predator which is ****ing dumb and you know it
    So, "innocent until proven guilty" is only applicable in some instances?

    Murder has to be proved but sexual predation only requires an accusation?

    Like I keep telling our American friends, you only have principles if you can adhere to these principles when they're inconvenient.

    Yes, the guilty will get away with things, but that's the price society, which includes women, pays for ensuring the falsely accused don't get railroaded.

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    Re: NYTimes Screws Up New Kavanaugh 'Allegation'

    The bigger takeaways from that essay to me were allegations that Trump directed the FBI not to interview any witnesses the first time around, and multiple people who are saying they actually tried to contact someone and were ignored.

    Kavanaugh acted like an unhinged lunatic and Ms Ford endured a hell of a lot in this process. What exactly was her motivation to lie? She likes death threats?

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    Re: NYTimes Screws Up New Kavanaugh 'Allegation'

    Quote Originally Posted by CommissarSpartacus View Post
    So, "innocent until proven guilty" is only applicable in some instances?

    Murder has to be proved but sexual predation only requires an accusation?

    Like I keep telling our American friends, you only have principles if you can adhere to these principles when they're inconvenient.

    Yes, the guilty will get away with things, but that's the price society, which includes women, pays for ensuring the falsely accused don't get railroaded.
    Kavanaugh isnt guilty because he was accused. But the investigation was a sham and his confirmation should have been delayed a hell of a lot more than it was.

    We want the best of the best to serve, right? Well, then they should have done their due diligence

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    Re: NYTimes Screws Up New Kavanaugh 'Allegation'

    Quote Originally Posted by Canadian'eh! View Post
    What exactly was her motivation to lie? She likes death threats?
    I feel bad for her. the democrats made her their sacrificial lamb. Now they have a new one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justasportsfan View Post
    I feel bad for her. the democrats made her their sacrificial lamb. Now they have a new one.
    I don't follow. Did the democrats force her to cone forward, or did she do so of her own accord?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JATMtheJATM View Post
    Kavanaugh isnt guilty because he was accused. But the investigation was a sham and his confirmation should have been delayed a hell of a lot more than it was.

    We want the best of the best to serve, right? Well, then they should have done their due diligence
    The world isn't always good guys vs bad guys.

    More often it's bad guys vs even worse guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CommissarSpartacus View Post
    The world isn't always good guys vs bad guys.

    More often it's bad guys vs even worse guys.
    Ok. If the allegations against kavanaugh are true, then hes certainly one of the worse guys. And hes on the supreme court.

    The sham of an investigation not only insulted dr Ford, it insulted survivors of sexual assault and Americans all alike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JATMtheJATM View Post
    Ok. If the allegations against kavanaugh are true, then hes certainly one of the worse guys. And hes on the supreme court.

    The sham of an investigation not only insulted dr Ford, it insulted survivors of sexual assault and Americans all alike.
    America insults Americans and the rest of the world on a daily basis.

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    Re: NYTimes Screws Up New Kavanaugh 'Allegation'

    Quote Originally Posted by CommissarSpartacus View Post
    Murder has to be proved but sexual predation only requires an accusation?
    victims of sexual assault coming forward and outing their abusers vs. racists stringing up a black man not because of anything he's done, but because of his skin colour. false equivalence. also nobody has tried to kill kavanaugh for what he did

    Yes, the guilty will get away with things, but that's the price society, which includes women, pays for ensuring the falsely accused don't get railroaded.
    do you believe that kavanaugh was falsely accused?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CommissarSpartacus View Post
    America insults Americans and the rest of the world on a daily basis.
    So you dont want to discuss the topic. Got it

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    Quote Originally Posted by SupremeParentHater View Post
    victims of sexual assault coming forward and outing their abusers vs. racists stringing up a black man not because of anything he's done, but because of his skin colour. false equivalence. also nobody has tried to kill kavanaugh for what he did

    do you believe that kavanaugh was falsely accused?
    1. No false equivalence. The principle is the same. Accusers need to prove guilt, the accused don't need to prove innocence. You can't use unsupported smears as a tactic just because some deserve it.

    2. I thought he was entirely unqualified aside from the sexual assault allegations. His temperament also made the allegations more believable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JATMtheJATM View Post
    So you dont want to discuss the topic. Got it
    I agreed with you. Just noting it's not a unique situation.

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