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    The general consensus I'm seeing is the Republicans looked like fools trying to distract and divert, like we knew they would,, and the dems were disciplined and focused.

    "Republicans at today’s impeachment hearing, featuring the testimony of George Kent, the State Department’s deputy assistant secretary for European and Eurasian Affairs, and Bill Taylor, the senior U.S. envoy to Ukraine, have unveiled a plethora of odd defenses of Donald Trump. They range from “I'M YELLING SO YOU KNOW I’M SERIOUS” to slipping in unsupported conspiracy theories, and most importantly, calling the testimony of these two professional career diplomats nothing more than “hearsay.” Over and over again, we’ve heard them object to these two witnesses because they did not have direct conversations with Trump.
    Rep. Peter Welch had quite enough of that nonsense, and as he took his turn at the microphone, he called their bluff, saying, “I say to my colleague, I would be glad to have the person who started it all come in and testify. President Trump is welcome to take a seat right there.”
    It was an extraordinary moment that drew big laughter in the room."




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    So....nothing from the OP and the rest of the circle-jerkers about Bill Taylor's testimony that Trump did speak with Gordon Sondland about pressuring Ukraine for an investigation into the Bidens?

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    It's over.

    Go find a new hero retards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goobylal View Post
    That was about the worst day the Dems could have. The rest of this should be a hoot!
    As I mentioned in another thread. This nonsensical bull**** is straight out of Hannity's mouth.

    I'll give you this Gooby....you are a well trained lap dog!!


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    The only "debacle" this was is for Trump and the Republicans.

    I was amazed on how little they brought to "defend" the indefensible. It was amusing. There was literally no defense of trump's actions. It was a **** show for the GOP.

    They really look like a bunch of idiots that are as well trained as Gooby.

    All to try and save TRUMP of all people. One of the worst human beings in the world. I have no idea how they sleep at night. Defending this scumbag is immoral.

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    BTW...Mr. Taylor and Mr. Kent are true American patriots. They make me proud of my country.

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    Re: Impeachment Debacle Day 1 Recap

    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/201.../impe-n14.html

    Democrats begin impeachment hearings with denunciations of Russia
    By Patrick Martin
    14 November 2019
    The first day of public, televised hearings on the possible impeachment of President Trump was dominated by denunciations of Russia by House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff and the first two witnesses, current State Department officials George Kent and William Taylor.

    These pronouncements underscore the real nature of the impeachment drive: the Democrats are targeting Trump not for his crimes against immigrants, his attacks on democratic rights or his efforts to build up a racist and fascist movement in America. Instead, they are acting as the representatives and political attorneys for a powerful faction of the national security apparatus that is strongly opposed to Trump on foreign policy issues relating to Russia, Ukraine and the Middle East.

    Schiff attacked what he termed the Russian “invasion” of Ukraine, which he said was part of President Vladimir Putin’s effort to “reconstitute a Russian empire.” He made no mention of the 2014 US-backed coup in Ukraine, spearheaded by fascistic elements and financed by the CIA, which triggered the Russian response in Crimea and the revolt by the predominately Russian-speaking population in the Donbas region of eastern Ukraine.

    This theme was taken up in the opening statements of both witnesses.

    Deputy Assistant Secretary of State George Kent presented the official State Department version of the events of 2014 in Ukraine, giving the ultra-right coup in Kiev the title of “popular revolution for dignity.” He made a series of obscene comparisons between the overthrow of an elected Ukrainian president by the CIA and the American Revolution. According to his account, fascist paramilitaries like the Right Sector, Svoboda and the Azov Battalion are the modern-day equivalent of the Minutemen of 1776; the US role in Ukraine is like that of France aiding the army of George Washington; US military trainers in Ukraine are like Lafayette, Von Steuben, and Pulaski.

    Acting US Ambassador to Ukraine William Taylor was more matter-of-fact, declaring that Ukraine “is on the front line of the conflict with a newly aggressive Russia.” He said that it was in the national interest of the United States to “deter Russian aggression.” He condemned the Russian takeover of Crimea (ratified by popular referendum), and what he called the “invasion” of eastern Ukraine. Any restriction on US military aid to Ukraine was undesirable, and to do so for domestic political considerations in the United States was “crazy.”

    Both the Democratic majority on the House Intelligence Committee and the two witnesses maintain that Trump put pressure on the Ukrainian government, particularly in a July 25 telephone call to Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky, and withheld military aid already approved by Congress in order to serve his own personal political needs, at the expense of US foreign policy requirements.

    In his usual bullying manner, Trump demanded that Zelensky do him a “favor” by reopening a Ukrainian investigation into Hunter Biden, son of former Vice President Joe Biden, a leading contender for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2020. He also sought Ukrainian assistance in pursuing claims that the Democratic National Committee obtained aid from Ukraine for the Clinton presidential campaign in 2016.

    The two State Department witnesses also complained about the creation of an “irregular” channel of White House communication with and pressure on the Ukrainian government, involving Trump’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani, assisted by the US ambassador to the European Union, Gordon Sondland, and the US special envoy to Ukraine, Kurt Volker. Under Giuliani’s direction, these officials were explicitly demanding that Ukraine investigate the Bidens and the DNC as a condition for unblocking the flow of military aid and obtaining a visit to the White House for President Zelensky.

    After the opening statements, the hearing unfolded with completely predictable, and virtually scripted, attacks and counter-attacks.

    The ranking Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, Devin Nunes, called the impeachment inquiry a carefully orchestrated smear campaign, begun after the failure of the lengthy media-driven campaign portraying Trump as an agent of Russia, which culminated in the investigation led by former FBI Director Robert Mueller.

    He raised three demands on behalf of the Republican minority: that the CIA “whistleblower” whose complaint was the starting point for the impeachment inquiry be called to testify, particularly about his contacts with the Democrats before he filed the complaint with the inspector general of the intelligence community; that the committee hear evidence about alleged Ukrainian interference in the 2016 election to help Hillary Clinton; and that Hunter Biden be called to testify about what he did for four years in return for a $50,000-a-month payment from the big Ukrainian gas company Burisma.

    At the end of the day, the committee tabled a Republican resolution to call the whistleblower as a witness, by a 13-9 party-line vote.

    Nunes and several other Republican questioners pointed out that the Trump administration had provided more lethal military aid to Ukraine that the previous administration of Democrat Barack Obama, including selling Javelin anti-tank missiles. In effect, the two parties were vying for the “credit” of being the most fervent promoter of war between Ukraine and Russia.

    The Republicans repeatedly declared that Kent and Taylor—and other witnesses to follow them—could offer only “hearsay” testimony about what the president did and what his motivations were. They conveniently ignored the role of the White House in blocking any testimony by witnesses with first-hand knowledge, such as acting White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney and fired National Security Advisor John Bolton.

    The repeated questions about Hunter Biden elicited damaging testimony from Kent—already made in his closed-door deposition. The State Department official reported that he had complained in 2015 that the role of the vice president’s son in Ukraine, working for the company that was the first major target of a US-backed anti-corruption campaign, raised at least the appearance of a conflict of interest. Vice President Biden’s office had never responded to his objections, Kent said.

    Only one actual new “fact” was revealed in the entire five-hour hearing and this came at the end of Taylor’s opening statement. He claimed to have just learned that a member of his staff had overheard a phone call from President Trump to Gordon Sondland while Sondland and the aide were sitting at a restaurant in Kiev on July 26.

    “Following the call with President Trump, the member of my staff asked Ambassador Sondland what President Trump thought about Ukraine,” Taylor said. “Ambassador Sondland responded that President Trump cares more about the investigations of Biden, which Giuliani was pressing for.”

    While the anti-Trump section of the corporate media treated this as a “blockbuster” revelation, the timing is more than a little suspicious. Taylor claimed that he learned of this only after he gave his deposition testimony on October 22. That would suggest that his aide—now scheduled to give closed-door testimony Friday—sat on this information for three months, and for an entire month after the beginning of an impeachment inquiry focused on Trump’s role in Ukraine.

    The public hearings before the House Intelligence Committee continue Friday with State Department official Marie Yovanovitch, who was removed as ambassador to Ukraine because she was considered an obstacle by Giuliani. Witnesses next week will include Alexander Vindman, Tim Morrison and Fiona Hill, all of the National Security Council, State Department officials Sondland, Volker, David Hale and Jennifer Williams (assigned to work with Vice President Mike Pence) and Pentagon official Laura Cooper. All are testifying under subpoena in defiance of Trump’s orders not to cooperate with the inquiry.

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    Can he be impeached for his attacks on migrants and immigrants?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JATMtheJATM View Post
    Can he be impeached for his attacks on migrants and immigrants?
    Republicans can never again in their sorry lives say they're pro-life.

    They want to end DACA and send kids who were infants when they arrived in America back to countries they don't even know.

    Republicans hate human life that isn't white.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeMama View Post
    Republicans can never again in their sorry lives say they're pro-life.

    They want to end DACA and send kids who were infants when they arrived in America back to countries they don't even know.

    Republicans hate human life that isn't white.
    There are vets getting sent back. Its gross

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    Quote Originally Posted by JATMtheJATM View Post
    There are vets getting sent back. Its gross
    That's Republicans for you!

    The most vile human beings who ever walked the earth.

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    What is so striking about the first day of impeachment hearings is just how much Trump is doing tHe bidding of Russia.

    As every day goes by, it is clear that he is acting like an agent for Putin. Certainly, he has the best interests of Russia MUCH higher than America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notacon View Post
    What is so striking about the first day of impeachment hearings is just how much Trump is doing tHe bidding of Russia.

    As every day goes by, it is clear that he is acting like an agent for Putin. Certainly, he has the best interests of Russia MUCH higher than America.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jingoism

    Jingoism is nationalism in the form of aggressive foreign policy, such as a country's advocacy for the use of threats or actual force, as opposed to peaceful relations, in efforts to safeguard what it perceives as its national interests.[1] Colloquially, jingoism is excessive bias in judging one's own country as superior to others—an extreme type of nationalism.

    The term originated in the United Kingdom, expressing a pugnacious attitude toward Russia in the 1870s, and it appeared in the American press by 1893.

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    Quote Originally Posted by denverboz View Post
    The general consensus I'm seeing is the Republicans looked like fools trying to distract and divert, like we knew they would,, and the dems were disciplined and focused.
    LibToons see a lot of things that don't comport with reality at this point.



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    Quote Originally Posted by CommissarSpartacus View Post
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jingoism

    Jingoism is nationalism in the form of aggressive foreign policy, such as a country's advocacy for the use of threats or actual force, as opposed to peaceful relations, in efforts to safeguard what it perceives as its national interests.[1] Colloquially, jingoism is excessive bias in judging one's own country as superior to others—an extreme type of nationalism.

    The term originated in the United Kingdom, expressing a pugnacious attitude toward Russia in the 1870s, and it appeared in the American press by 1893.
    Ass kissing is an universal term that has been around for thousands of years. You are a Trump and Putin ass kissser.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notacon View Post
    BTW...Mr. Taylor and Mr. Kent are true American patriots. They make me proud of my country.
    I agree.

    They are career officers in the state department, who have worked for Presidents of both parties.

    Now all of the sudden they're the bad guys because they contradict Trumps lies?

    Please.

    And there's another thing to think about here:

    By hanging these foreign service people out to dry, (and it's not just the ambassadors, but their secretaries, their staffs, and their families, as well as the military that have to defend them in the embassies) first and foremost, you're ruining their credibility by negotiate behind their backs, but even more importantly, you could be putting their lives in danger.


    And for US Congress members to stand there and defend Trump (and party) over country makes me want to puke.

    Anyone who does that should be ashamed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeMama View Post
    Republicans can never again in their sorry lives say they're pro-life.

    They want to end DACA and send kids who were infants when they arrived in America back to countries they don't even know.

    Republicans hate human life that isn't white.
    Run for office, would ya?
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