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    Quote Originally Posted by YardRat View Post
    I'm starting to buy into the first round WR mindset even though I'd go elsewhere with the pick.
    I'm just not. They aren't even sure what they have in Shakir and Davis....and I can't see them giving a marquee addition enough snaps unless they gave up on those two....which I don't see happening either atm.

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    I'm just not. They aren't even sure what they have in Shakir and Davis....and I can't see them giving a marquee addition enough snaps unless they gave up on those two....which I don't see happening either atm.
    I'm thinking a pure slot guy, like Downs. Diggs-Davis-Downs with Shakir spelling all of them when they need a blow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YardRat View Post
    I'm thinking a pure slot guy, like Downs. Diggs-Davis-Downs with Shakir spelling all of them when they need a blow.
    idk...Hyatt maybe... Id still be tempted. But there are still many questions to be answered with him, like whether he can get off the line, can he run a route, etc. He ran pretty fast today, but he looks even faster o nthe field.

    As far as the small/quick guys in the Flowers/Downs/Addison vein, there seems to be a long list of them this year. Dell was very good in the Senior Bowl Practices. Marvin Mims of Oklahoma ran a sub 4.4 today and averaged nearly 20 ypc for his career. Charlie Jones of Purdue was faster than expected, and he was extremely productive this year when he was the primary target.

    I don't know if there is a true must-have in the 1st, especially at 27.

    Tillman and Mingo, I like them both if we are looking for a big receiver. Tillman was a beast when healthy, Mingo had a good year, weighs about 225 and ran a sub 4.5

    But then, it wouldn't be worse than taking that slow safety from Texas A and M at 27.

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    Lol...4.52 isn't really slow, for a safety. I hope that's sarcasm. Hell, Poyer ran a 4.54 and Hyde a 4.56 at their combines, and only 6 safeties ran better 40's than Johnson.

    You're right, though, the WR group is deep this year...as are safeties and interior linemen, so who knows who Beane is going to covet and who he is comfortable waiting on. As much as I have clamored for a first round olineman in the past I just don't think this front office places that kind of value on those positions. I also hope he doesn't go RB, those can be found later too. Or made, if you've got the oline and playbook.

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    DJ Chark would be awesome in the slot for us. He won't be hugely expensive, either. We could easily re-sight Crowder and run it back with him, too.

    The departure of Frazier makes me think we go heavy on D in this draft outside an O lineman or two. Maybe a RB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YardRat View Post
    Lol...4.52 isn't really slow, for a safety. I hope that's sarcasm. Hell, Poyer ran a 4.54 and Hyde a 4.56 at their combines, and only 6 safeties ran better 40's than Johnson.

    You're right, though, the WR group is deep this year...as are safeties and interior linemen, so who knows who Beane is going to covet and who he is comfortable waiting on. As much as I have clamored for a first round olineman in the past I just don't think this front office places that kind of value on those positions. I also hope he doesn't go RB, those can be found later too. Or made, if you've got the oline and playbook.
    pfft. He finished 6th in a bad draft for safeties. In 2022, he wouldn't have finished in the top dozen or so.

    Slow, can't jump, weak.

    Barely made it over 20 inches in the vertical;
    couldn't broad jump 10 feet;
    couldn't break double digits on the bench.

    And people want to use a first on him? And have him chase down the Cheetah twice a year?

    Ill take my chance on an OL in the first rather than an unathletic safety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cookie G View Post
    pfft. He finished 6th in a bad draft for safeties. In 2022, he wouldn't have finished in the top dozen or so.

    Slow, can't jump, weak.

    Barely made it over 20 inches in the vertical;
    couldn't broad jump 10 feet;
    couldn't break double digits on the bench.

    And people want to use a first on him? And have him chase down the Cheetah twice a year?

    Ill take my chance on an OL in the first rather than an unathletic safety.
    The kid plays football. That's what counts. Part of the problem we have is Beane is too enamored with physical freaks that win the underwear olympics and he ends up sticking us under-achievers like Edmunds, Oliver, Rousseau, Brown et al, instead of drafting football players. Another part of the problem is we've had a DC whose philosophy has been "drop off 8 yards, let the Cheetah catch it, then we'll chase him down". Hopefully that changes this year.

    Finally, as far as the safety class, there might not be one or two guys that jump off the page and are getting hyped as top 10 picks, but the group is deep and some team could come out of this draft with two starters if they wanted to. FWIW, everybody's darling last year (Hamilton) ran a 4.59.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YardRat View Post
    The kid plays football. That's what counts. Part of the problem we have is Beane is too enamored with physical freaks that win the underwear olympics and he ends up sticking us under-achievers like Edmunds, Oliver, Rousseau, Brown et al, instead of drafting football players. Another part of the problem is we've had a DC whose philosophy has been "drop off 8 yards, let the Cheetah catch it, then we'll chase him down". Hopefully that changes this year.

    Finally, as far as the safety class, there might not be one or two guys that jump off the page and are getting hyped as top 10 picks, but the group is deep and some team could come out of this draft with two starters if they wanted to. FWIW, everybody's darling last year (Hamilton) ran a 4.59.
    Im kinda hoping anyone they draft at 27 is a player.

    Mcbeane's big problem is that despite putting 7, count'em 7 1st and 2nd round picks on their defense..(not including Von and Shaq)...they fold at crunch time in the playoffs.

    Over 100 points given up and more than 1400 yards in the last 3 playoff losses.

    Using the top pick on and unathletic safety won't change that.

    Get one in a lower round.

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    27. Darnell Wright OT, Tenn.

    59. Jack Campbell LB, Iowa

    91. Jaquelin Roy DT, LSU

    130. Luke Schoonmaker TE, Mich.

    137. Tyler Scott WR, Cinn.

    205. ​Daniel Scott S, Cal

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    27: R1 P27 LB Jack Campbell - Iowa
    59: R2 P28 C Joe Tippmann - Wisconsin
    91: R3 P28 S Jordan Battle - Alabama
    130: R4 P28 WR Charlie Jones - Purdue
    137: R5 P2 DL Jalen Redmond - Oklahoma
    205: R6 P28 S Trey Dean III - Florida

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    I did a bunch of trades to load up on extra picks this year and next....

    Trades:
    Bills 1st (27) for Houston 2nd (33), 3rd (73), 6th (188), 7 (230), and 2024 4th Rounder
    Bills 3rd via Houston (73) for KC 3rd (95), 4th (122), 5th (166), 5th (179) and 6th (217)
    Bills 3rd (91) for CIN 3rd (92), 4th (131), and 2024 Round 5
    Bills 3rd via CIN (92) for Arizona 3rd (96), 4th (105), and 2024 5th Rounder
    Bills 4th via HOU (122) for Washington 2024 3rd, 4th, and 6th Rounder
    Bills 6th via HOU (188) for Arizona 2024 4th and 6th Rounder and Houston 2024 6th Rounder

    In the end I ended up with the following haul:
    2. 33 - LB Jack Campbell, Iowa
    2. 59 - IOL Cody Mauch, North Dakota State
    3. 95 - WR Marvin Mims, Oklahoma
    3. 96 - SAF Jammie Robinson, Florida State
    4. 105 - CB Eli Ricks, Alabama
    4. 130 - RB Tank Bigsby, Auburn
    4. 131 - DL Mike Morris, Michigan
    4. 137 - IOL Andrew Vorhees
    5. 166 - SAF Brandon Joseph - Notre Dame
    5. 178 - WR Bryce Ford-Wheaton, West Virginia
    6. 205 - QB Stetson Bennett, Georgia
    6. 217 - OT Warren McClendon, Georgia
    7. 230 - EDGE Robert Beal Jr., Georgia

    2024 Picks:
    Washington 3rd
    Washington 4th
    Arizona 4th
    Houston 4th
    Cincy 5th
    Arizona 5th
    Arizona 6th
    Houston 6th
    Washington 6th
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    If Beane ends up with 13 picks and Campbell in this draft I will wear a Tremaine Edmunds avatar for a month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YardRat View Post
    If Beane ends up with 13 picks and Campbell in this draft I will wear a Tremaine Edmunds avatar for a month.
    If Beane doesn’t do some trading down to get us more picks then I’ll just do what I usually do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DraftBoy View Post
    I did a bunch of trades to load up on extra picks this year and next....

    Trades:
    Bills 1st (27) for Houston 2nd (33), 3rd (73), 6th (188), 7 (230), and 2024 4th Rounder
    Bills 3rd via Houston (73) for KC 3rd (95), 4th (122), 5th (166), 5th (179) and 6th (217)
    Bills 3rd (91) for CIN 3rd (92), 4th (131), and 2024 Round 5
    Bills 3rd via CIN (92) for Arizona 3rd (96), 4th (105), and 2024 5th Rounder
    Bills 4th via HOU (122) for Washington 2024 3rd, 4th, and 6th Rounder
    Bills 6th via HOU (188) for Arizona 2024 4th and 6th Rounder and Houston 2024 6th Rounder

    In the end I ended up with the following haul:
    2. 33 - LB Jack Campbell, Iowa
    2. 59 - IOL Cody Mauch, North Dakota State
    3. 95 - WR Marvin Mims, Oklahoma
    3. 96 - SAF Jammie Robinson, Florida State
    4. 105 - CB Eli Ricks, Alabama
    4. 130 - RB Tank Bigsby, Auburn
    4. 131 - DL Mike Morris, Michigan
    4. 137 - IOL Andrew Vorhees
    5. 166 - SAF Brandon Joseph - Notre Dame
    5. 178 - WR Bryce Ford-Wheaton, West Virginia
    6. 205 - QB Stetson Bennett, Georgia
    6. 217 - OT Warren McClendon, Georgia
    7. 230 - EDGE Robert Beal Jr., Georgia

    2024 Picks:
    Washington 3rd
    Washington 4th
    Arizona 4th
    Houston 4th
    Cincy 5th
    Arizona 5th
    Arizona 6th
    Houston 6th
    Washington 6th
    I know your username and all—but half of those draft trades make zero sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oaf View Post
    I know your username and all—but half of those draft trades make zero sense.
    It’s what the simulator proposed to me. I don’t disagree that they made zero sense.

    Sadly there were much worse offers that were even more lopsided.

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    Have a strong feeling this draft will vex me and I'll take the summer off from the Bills for the first time in my life because they mismanaged their golden window.

    I've been wrong before....hope I am again....just feels obvious and clear to me. I think Beane provided the players McDermott was incapable of using when he could have or should have. Just my thoughts.
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    Maintaining my steadfast belief that 2 of the first 3 picks should be OL. In the end, we've lost one starter on D. This is the year to improve the OL. Just do it. Find your D players later. They are out there.

    After 2 small trade downs...

    33. Anton Harrison, OT Oklahoma Darnell Wright was gone, I wouldn't have traded down otherwise. Harrison is a nice consolation prize. And no, he's not Cody Ford. One of the faster OT's in the draft, has good feet and knows how to use them. He knew he had to get stronger after last year, so he put extra time in the weight room in the offseason. It paid off. gave up 4 sacks in the past three years.

    59. John Michael Schmitz C Minnesota. I probably would have taken Campbell here and hoped for Tippman in the third, but he was gone. So I nabbed one of the best pass protecting IOL in the draft. Im not complaining. The OL just got better.

    91. Jonathan Mingo WR Ole Miss 6' 2" 225 lbs. One of the few bigger WR's with talent in this draft. Good hands, big enough to break tackles, fast enough to get some YAC after he does. 4.46 40 at the combine, fast enough to get by an unsuspecting DB, and big enough with strong hands to make the contested catch. A better route runne rthan is given credit, and supposedly killing it in the interviews.

    116. Zach Harrison DE OSU the trade down gave me the ability to take a gamble with the latest athletic freak. Nice smile. He's shown flashes and just needs someone to show him how to put it together.

    122. Dorian Williams LB Tulane Fast, can cover a lot of ground, good in pass pro and hits like a MOFO. Shedding blocks might be a problem at 225 lbs...but then again, our 250 lb. MLB wasn't much at shedding them either. We haven't lost nearly as many think.

    130. Cory Trice CB Purdue big at 6'3", fast enough. Excels in press coverage. Eventual successor at safety, but if not, at big nickel. Over his past 2 years, his opposing passer rating when targeted was70 in2021 and 51.3 in 2022.

    137. Nathaniel Dell WR Houston might not be there at 137, but then again, maybe he will. Ill take his separation ability any day. He was littering the practice field in the Senior Bowl practices with the jocks of opposing Dbs. We can find a way to make him work.

    235. Karl Brooks. DT Bowling Green Yeah, he's not going to be there...but he was,so I did. His first step and production earned him a higher draft round than here.

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    Beane really needs to come out of this draft with more than six players. Some of the suggested trades in these sims can be really ridiculous, but there were two that seemed realistic that I hopped on to pick up a couple of extra picks (**) that resulted in a beast WR and second interior lineman. I missed out on DL Brooks in the 4th, taking Schoonmaker and gambling the DL would be there 6 picks later at 137, but love Fehoko in the sixth. This might be my favorite mock to date, and a keeper.

    34---Jack Campbell, LB, Iowa (gave up R1/27 for R2/34 and R3/66)
    59---Joe Tippman, C, Wisconsin
    66---Nathaniel Dell, WR, Houston **
    91---Jordan Battle, S, Alabama
    131---Luke Schoonmaker, TE Michigan (gave up R4/130 for R4/131 and R5/163)
    137---Jalen Redmond, DL, Oklahoma
    163---Ricky Stromberg, C/G, Arkansas**
    205---Viliami Fehoko, Edge, San Jose State

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    Two trades down to get two extra picks. Defense and O-line are set for the near future, a speedy slot late along with a raw OLB with legit speed. I mostly ignored the official visit list and went with my own opinion.

    31. Bryan Bresee - DT, Clemson

    59. Drew Sanders - LB, Ark.

    91. Matthew Bergeron - OT, Syr.

    95. Jammie Robinson - S, FSU

    130. Ricky Stromberg - C/G, Ark.

    137. Andrew Vorhees - G, USC

    205. Jalen Moreno-Cropper - WR, Fresno St.

    257. Yasir Abdullah LB, - Louisville
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