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    Re: Draft Network Simulator. Fun!

    First go with the 7th rounder added:

    30. DE Kwity Paye, Mich. - A process guy who has ascended. He's got the kind of traits McDermott covets.
    61. G Wyatt Davis, OSU - Not sure why he has fallen to late 2nd round. He's a mover and hits targets at the second level.
    93. CB Keith Taylor Jr, Wash. - Tall, solid tackler, smart processor in zone and can press.
    161. WR Dazz Newsome, NC - Youth at the slot with special teams value.
    174. S Darrick Forrest, Cinci - Smart, sound and a tough tackler perfect for the Bills' scheme.
    213. LB Garrett Wallow, TCU - Back up for Milano with cover abilities coupled with a willingness to get down hill.
    236. DT Lorenzo Neal Jr., Purdue - Tons of ability and flashes of high level play but needs to work on his body. High ceiling project.

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    Re: Draft Network Simulator. Fun!

    Quote Originally Posted by ParanoidAndroid View Post
    First go with the 7th rounder added:

    30. DE Kwity Paye, Mich. - A process guy who has ascended. He's got the kind of traits McDermott covets.
    61. G Wyatt Davis, OSU - Not sure why he has fallen to late 2nd round. He's a mover and hits targets at the second level.
    93. CB Keith Taylor Jr, Wash. - Tall, solid tackler, smart processor in zone and can press.
    161. WR Dazz Newsome, NC - Youth at the slot with special teams value.
    174. S Darrick Forrest, Cinci - Smart, sound and a tough tackler perfect for the Bills' scheme.
    213. LB Garrett Wallow, TCU - Back up for Milano with cover abilities coupled with a willingness to get down hill.
    236. DT Lorenzo Neal Jr., Purdue - Tons of ability and flashes of high level play but needs to work on his body. High ceiling project.
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    It is that time of year, isn't it? I didn't get to watch too much college football last year, and haven't followed the pre draft reports very much..but here goes.

    30. Caleb Farley
    CB, Virginia Tech

    For the first time...probably ever, I'm picking a DB with the first pick, for several reasons. they are picking at 30 this year, not in the top 10. And they aren't looking for a QB for the first time in forever.

    Farley is a complete CB whose negatives can be addressed through coaching. McD emphasized that that more speed was needed and Farley reportedly runs a sub 4.3 40. Over 6 feet and over 200 lbs who can cover bigger receivers and the speedsters.

    The back surgery is concerning so if I were McBeane, medical opinions would be paramount. But the surgery he had was not a full discectomy, it was more of a microsurgery, where they only cut out the herniated portion of the disc. If it holds up...you can now have 2 lockdown corners.


    61 Carlos Basham
    Edge Wake Forest


    The guy with the cool name makes it to the bottom of the second. Can't ask for a better name for pass rusher than Basham.

    Great production at Wake Forest, a good Senior Bowl week where they were playing him inside and outside. 23 games in a row with a TFL and 15 sacks in his past 19 games.

    One criticism I've seen is his closing speed. I haven't seen that, I've seen just the opposite, especially for a guy that weighs 280. My criticism is that he comes out of his stance straight up too many times. It is correctable, but some never correct it. He's worth the risk at the bottom of the second.

    93 Hunter Long
    TE Boston College

    One of the most productive TE's in college last year. More polished than Knox, but not the athlete Knox is. His Pro Day numbers weren't great but they weren't horrible. They are a bit comparable with Jason Kelce's combine numbers. I'll take the production he's had and hope he carries it to the next level.


    161 Josh Imatorbhebhe
    WR Illinois

    Another cool name but wtf were his parents thinking...with a last name like Imatorbhebhe, they gave him the bland first name like "Josh".

    The guy is a project, but what a piece of marble to work with. 220lbs who had a 46 inch vertical at his PD and a broad jump over 11 feet... while running a sub 4.5 40. This is the type of guy you take at 161.

    174 Elerson Smith
    Edge Northern Iowa

    Ok, Im making up for the bland first name in my previous pick with Elerson Smith. If I'm his coach, I take his first name and give it to Imatorbhebhe. So I now have one guy named Elerson Imatorbhebhe and another named Josh Smith. I've done 2 things...I've 1) created a very, very cool name and 2) put an enormous chip on Smith's shoulder. He'll hate me, but it will work.

    As a player, here is what you get: You get a 6'7", 270 lb guy that lit it up at Northern Iowa. He gained 50lbs in his college career. He looks like a string bean on tape..but he's gained weight since then (he didn't play in 2020.).

    No 270 lb man should be able to jump 41 inches or broad jump nearly 10 and a half feet, but he does. Despite an arm length of over 33 inches and still looking like a string bean, he put up 26 bench reps.

    In his last college season, 2019, he had over 20 tfls, 14 sacks and 5 FF's in 15 games. I'll make him the next Ted Hendricks.



    213 Damar Hamlin
    S Pitt

    A McD pick. Not the greatest athlete, but a team leader, the leading tackler on Pitt's D last year and someone who plays smart. He's a solid late round pick.

    236 Cole Van Lanen
    OT Wisconsin

    a run game bruiser. He won't be starting at either tackle position, but could be good depth on the inside, especially in the run game.

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    Re: Draft Network Simulator. Fun!

    Quote Originally Posted by cookie G View Post
    It is that time of year, isn't it? I didn't get to watch too much college football last year, and haven't followed the pre draft reports very much..but here goes.

    30. Caleb Farley
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    I am all over the place this year. Just did four versions, from four different sites.

    Fanspeak..........PFF..........Draft Network..........NFL Mock

    1---CB Kevin Joseph, Ky...CB Asanti Samuel, JR, Fla St...CB Caleb Farley, Virg Tech....RB Travis Etienne, Clemson
    As much as I think LBer and Edge are the first round priority, it's looking more like CB could be the pick considering what is happening in free agency. I don't think they are going to go for a bigger, longer guy that seems to be the rage (like Farley), but think Joseph or Samuel JR could be the pick. I really don't think Etienne or Harris are going to be around close enough to move up to get but if one of them falls I used the NFL mock to snag the RB from Clemson as kind of a shocker pick (to me anyway)...gives McD and Daboll their 'triplets'.

    2--LB Nick Bolton...S Elijah Molden...Edge Carlos Basham...Edge Joe Tryon
    This is all about who falls and we get to say "Holy ****! Can't believe he fell to us!" There has to be and edge guy or LBer Beane just can't pass up in the second. Right?

    3--C Jimmy Morrissey, Pitt...C Jimmy Morrissey, Pitt...S Divine Deablo, Virg Tech...CB Kary Vincent JR, LSU
    Morrissey is the one guy that I've really zeroed in on this season...I really like him, a lot. He's a process guy, a technician more than a mauler, and he worked for everything he's achieved. I really think think this guy has 'starting anchor' written all over him, eventually. Every mock has him available in Round 5 or later, but he just feels like if we want him and don't jump on him early he'll be long gone before our next pick.

    5a--CB DJ Daniel, Georgia...TE Tre' McKitty, Georgia...C Jimmy Morrissey, Pitt...C Jimmy Morrissey, Pitt
    I really believe this is a 2 cornerback draft, it's just a matter of where the value fits the board the best on Day 3. After signing Hollister and rumors of JJames being on the radar I'm not sure they will even get a tight end in this draft unless it's somebody they simply can't pass up but McKitty is my #2 guy I keep getting on Day 3. Not very productive, but he has a very good all-around skill set with room to grow. Maybe that guy that can catch and block? If we don't get a TE by now, the pick is probably a corner like Daniel or safety.

    5b--S Shawn Davis, Florida...LB Isaiah McDuffie, BC...CB DJ Daniel, Georgia...S James Wiggins, Cincinnati
    6--Edge Patrick Johnson, Tulane...DB Deommodore Lenoir, Oregon...LB Ernest Jones, SCarolina...WR Marvin Williams, UCF
    7--WR Michael Strachan, Charleston...RB Javian Hawkins, Louisville...WR Michael Strachan, Charleston...LB Isaiah McDuffie, BC
    All about value, special teams, development potential and depth at this point and beyond. They need more numbers at safety, this could be where their second corner is grabbed, a LBer finally, etc etc. I do think if they don't get a RB high and it's defense heavy up to this point the last couple of picks could be token skill players for the offense, but I'm sticking with defense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cookie G View Post
    It is that time of year, isn't it? I didn't get to watch too much college football last year, and haven't followed the pre draft reports very much..but here goes.

    30. Caleb Farley
    CB, Virginia Tech

    For the first time...probably ever, I'm picking a DB with the first pick, for several reasons. they are picking at 30 this year, not in the top 10. And they aren't looking for a QB for the first time in forever.

    Farley is a complete CB whose negatives can be addressed through coaching. McD emphasized that that more speed was needed and Farley reportedly runs a sub 4.3 40. Over 6 feet and over 200 lbs who can cover bigger receivers and the speedsters.

    The back surgery is concerning so if I were McBeane, medical opinions would be paramount. But the surgery he had was not a full discectomy, it was more of a microsurgery, where they only cut out the herniated portion of the disc. If it holds up...you can now have 2 lockdown corners.


    61 Carlos Basham
    Edge Wake Forest


    The guy with the cool name makes it to the bottom of the second. Can't ask for a better name for pass rusher than Basham.

    Great production at Wake Forest, a good Senior Bowl week where they were playing him inside and outside. 23 games in a row with a TFL and 15 sacks in his past 19 games.

    One criticism I've seen is his closing speed. I haven't seen that, I've seen just the opposite, especially for a guy that weighs 280. My criticism is that he comes out of his stance straight up too many times. It is correctable, but some never correct it. He's worth the risk at the bottom of the second.

    93 Hunter Long
    TE Boston College

    One of the most productive TE's in college last year. More polished than Knox, but not the athlete Knox is. His Pro Day numbers weren't great but they weren't horrible. They are a bit comparable with Jason Kelce's combine numbers. I'll take the production he's had and hope he carries it to the next level.


    161 Josh Imatorbhebhe
    WR Illinois

    Another cool name but wtf were his parents thinking...with a last name like Imatorbhebhe, they gave him the bland first name like "Josh".

    The guy is a project, but what a piece of marble to work with. 220lbs who had a 46 inch vertical at his PD and a broad jump over 11 feet... while running a sub 4.5 40. This is the type of guy you take at 161.

    174 Elerson Smith
    Edge Northern Iowa

    Ok, Im making up for the bland first name in my previous pick with Elerson Smith. If I'm his coach, I take his first name and give it to Imatorbhebhe. So I now have one guy named Elerson Imatorbhebhe and another named Josh Smith. I've done 2 things...I've 1) created a very, very cool name and 2) put an enormous chip on Smith's shoulder. He'll hate me, but it will work.

    As a player, here is what you get: You get a 6'7", 270 lb guy that lit it up at Northern Iowa. He gained 50lbs in his college career. He looks like a string bean on tape..but he's gained weight since then (he didn't play in 2020.).

    No 270 lb man should be able to jump 41 inches or broad jump nearly 10 and a half feet, but he does. Despite an arm length of over 33 inches and still looking like a string bean, he put up 26 bench reps.

    In his last college season, 2019, he had over 20 tfls, 14 sacks and 5 FF's in 15 games. I'll make him the next Ted Hendricks.



    213 Damar Hamlin
    S Pitt

    A McD pick. Not the greatest athlete, but a team leader, the leading tackler on Pitt's D last year and someone who plays smart. He's a solid late round pick.

    236 Cole Van Lanen
    OT Wisconsin

    a run game bruiser. He won't be starting at either tackle position, but could be good depth on the inside, especially in the run game.
    I like this draft a lot, except I'm not sure about Basham. McDermott even made Epenesa loose weight at 10lbs lighter than Basham.

    I also don't understand how Van Lanen fell all the way from a potential 2nd round grade to late day 3. I pick him almost every time I do one of the simulators.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ParanoidAndroid View Post
    I like this draft a lot, except I'm not sure about Basham. McDermott even made Epenesa loose weight at 10lbs lighter than Basham.

    I also don't understand how Van Lanen fell all the way from a potential 2nd round grade to late day 3. I pick him almost every time I do one of the simulators.
    eh, different players carry weight differently. He might lose a little weight, but I don't know if its needed. I was never very impressed with Epeneza. He's got a lot to prove to show he was worthy of the 2nd round. His rookie year did nothing to prove me wrong.

    Anyway...

    I used the PFF simulator this time:

    30 Assante Samuel Jr CB FSU. McBeane get their guy. Mr. Pass Break Up.

    61 Joe Tryon Edge Wash. The dude is a stud, built perfectly for the position. Not likely there at the bottom of the 2nd, but too good to pass up. Reportedly ran a 4.5 at his Pro Day. 34 inch arms, good explosion, needs experience.

    93 Jamin Davis LB Kentucky Another guy not likely there at the end of the 3rd, but if he's there...nab him. Ran a sub 4.5 40 at 6'4" 230+ lbs. 3rd in the SEC in tackles last year and added 3 ints in pass coverage. Another stud in the making and a potential excellent coverage LB.

    161 Elijiah Mitchell, RB Ragin' Caguns He is the speed in the backfield they've been missing. He played at 215, dropped 10 lbs for his Pro Day and ended up running a 4.35 40. As for his other marks..

    The pro day was closed to the media, but Mitchell’s released numbers were: 6.87 in the 3-Cone, 4.32 in the 40, 17 benches, 10-8 broad jump, a 37.5 vertical and a 4.18 in the 20-yard shuttle.

    https://www.theadvocate.com/acadiana...ad30d6445.html

    When I watched his highlight tape, he's one quick move in the backfield and off to the races. He sees the hole and hits it likea pocket rocket.

    174 David Moore G Grambling To appreciate this guy, you have to watch him block...here he is at the Senior Bowl..the small school guy meeting the big boys for the first time...



    There were a few other vids I saw of him at the Senior Bowl, decleating LBs on at least 2 occasions. Im not the only one who is impressed. He was voted the outstanding lineman on his Senior Bowl team. The voting came from the defensive linemen on the team.

    213 Khyiris Tonga DL BYU. Its the end of day 3.. He's a load...maybe he can work into something

    236 Tarron Jackson DE Coastal Carolina . The Anti Joe Tryon...he's shorter and built like a cube. Great production...Sunbelt conf. player of the year. Good Pro Day, good production..good pick for the 7th round.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cookie G View Post
    eh, different players carry weight differently. He might lose a little weight, but I don't know if its needed. I was never very impressed with Epeneza. He's got a lot to prove to show he was worthy of the 2nd round. His rookie year did nothing to prove me wrong.

    You notice the girth and labored lateral movement.

    From his Draft profile on NFL.com
    "He's a big dude, but he's also carrying some extra weight and will need to lean down a little bit or he's going to end up eating himself inside." -- Personnel director for NFC team
    He's 6'3" and dropped from 280 to 275 for his pro-day. He played in a 3-4 at Wake and he's better suited for that in the NFL. Even his highlight reel is full of coverage sacks. He's good against the run, though.

    Epenesa was asked to drop 15lbs at 6'6" 280 but he didn't have a lot of fat on him. He ended up at just under 260. The trainers changed his body. With no offseason. He was every bit as productive in college as Basham and way more explosive and disruptive.

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    2021 Draft: PFN
    Sometimes, I'm able to trade our 1st down twice and parlay 4th and 5th rounders into late 2nd and early 3rd, drafting 40th, 57th, 62nd and 64th. It's fun but it's ridiculous.
    This time I declined all trades.

    25. Nakobe Dean LB, GA - I'm not keen on forcing my hand with Edmunds but he's the best player on the board. He's not the freak athlete Edmunds is, he is athletic enough and whatever Edmunds has failed, he has excelled, including instincts, quick diagnosis and avoiding contact on his way to the ball. Plus, he's an assertive leader on the field. Too much to like.

    57. Kyler Gordon CB, Washington - Finally, we have a CB to upgrade opposite Tre. Faster and more explosive. Easy.

    89. Travis Jones DT, UCONN - A space eater with shed and tackle ability. He will need a year to acclimate to the NFL but you can play him as a rotational piece behind Phillips without much worry.

    127. Cade Mays OL, Tenn - The moveable piece McBeane loves. He's played all 5 spots at some point.

    167. Kyle Phillips WR, UCLA - I think this ranking is way off but here he was. I'd take him in the 3rd. He could make Beasley immediately expendable. He's not a speed guy but he moves the sticks consistently.

    185. Mike Rose LB, Iowa State - Not awesome at any one thing but good at everything. As solid as they come as a teammate and you won't have to worry about missed assignments. 2020 Big 12 defensive player of the year.

    204. Zander Horvath RB/FB, Purdue - An upgrade over Gilliam who could weaponize the position Daboll seemed to experiment with. Does Dorsey have the inclination? A fan favorite waiting to happen.

    230. Otito Ogbonnia DT, UCLA - Of course he's underrated. More upside than Zimmer.

    245. Austin Allen TE, Nebraska​ - Why not? 6'9" 255, slippery off play action and has surprising top end speed if he has enough runway. He's not going to wow anyone at the combine with speed, agility and vertical leap but he can play football.

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    I can't get past the 1st round. There's always a difference maker CB that can play zone/man/press, an MLB who can hit and range, and a beast DT that can two gap and collapse a pocket. I pick one or the other and then second guess myself immediately in round 2.

    Edit : I forgot the surefire behemoth OL as well.
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    25. Tariq Woolen CB, UTSA

    57. Calvin Austin III WR, Memphis

    89. Tyler Smith OT, Tulsa

    128. Jerome Ford RB, Cincinnati

    167. Isaac Taylor-Stuart CB, USC

    183. Haskell Garrett DT, Ohio State

    201. Myron Tagovailoa-Amosa Edge, Notre Dame

    228. Daniel Bellinger TE, San Diego State

    243. D'Eriq King QB, Miami

    Theme? Speed, speed and more speed. Tyler Smith is never going to last til round 3 like draftnetwork thinks however.

    Jerome Ford 4.36
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    I sure hope we don't start reaching for speed over better football players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ParanoidAndroid View Post
    I sure hope we don't start reaching for speed over better football players.
    None of those picks are reaches in the aspect of the fact that none of those guys will be available when we come up to pick again.

    i.e. Austin is a projected early 3rd round pick, instead we pick him in the late 2nd because he doesn't last til late in the 3rd.

    And we need team speed more than anything else at this point. If that's not obvious to everyone by now, I don't know what you're watching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Pink View Post
    And we need team speed more than anything else at this point. If that's not obvious to everyone by now, I don't know what you're watching.
    Dunno, Pink. I'm watching a team that needs more physicality and a hard look at their defensive playcalling and scheme.

    Only place I'd say we can absolutely use speed is at WR and RB.

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    25. Nakobe Dean LB, Georgia
    57. Dylan Parham, IOL, Memphis
    89. Greg Dulcich, TE, UCLA
    128. Eyioma Uwazurike, IDL, Iowa State
    167. Josh Thompson, CB, Texas
    183. Luke Fortner, IOL, Kentucky
    201. D'Vonte Price, RB, Florida International
    228. Myron Tagovailoa-Amosa, Edge, Noter Dame
    243. Amari Carter, S, Miami

    Dean = immediate starter at MLB, fast, reading/reacting a strength, seeks out contact, good coverage skills zone and man.

    Parham could also start at guard out of the gate (decent size, excellent mobility...the kind of athlete Beane covets), and Fortner is no slouch starting at three positions (RT, G, C) over his college career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mace View Post
    Dunno, Pink. I'm watching a team that needs more physicality and a hard look at their defensive playcalling and scheme.

    Only place I'd say we can absolutely use speed is at WR and RB.
    I think we need speed at corner as well...so I addressed speed at all 3 positions with my mock.

    Got an outstanding tackle as well, but like I said, he ain't gonna last til the 3rd round like the site suggested.

    And you know I'd love to upgrade at LB, but we're stuck with that guy there.

    The only thing I didn't really address is DE, even though I like Tua but I dunno if he's actually an improvement or more just depth/ps material, but nothing was available at my picks to do so and I was geared to pick certain guys when I knew they weren't going to be available at my pick. Woolen, Austin, Ford, Taylor-Stuart.
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    I think we need speed at corner as well...so I addressed speed at all 3 positions with my mock.

    Got an outstanding tackle as well, but like I said, he ain't gonna last til the 3rd round like the site suggested.

    And you know I'd love to upgrade at LB, but we're stuck with that guy there.

    The only thing I didn't really address is DE, even though I like Tua but I dunno if he's actually an improvement or more just depth/ps material, but nothing was available at my picks to do so and I was geared to pick certain guys when I knew they weren't going to be available at my pick. Woolen, Austin, Ford, Taylor-Stuart.
    Yeah, I can't get past my terrible pull toward an LB. Dean early, Beavers in R2, or Leo Chenal later (thumper, mlb potential, or even a replacement for Klein you can use with 3 lb mixed in).

    My consistent R1 of late is Auburn cb Roger McCreary who can zone, mirror, press, man, tackle, and ballhawk. when Travis Jones is there in R2 I want him, then I start waffling over what I want, what they will probably want, who will be available and value and never get a draft I'm happy enough with to post.

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    I put aside my perceptions and went on the assumption that McBeane will double-down on safe mediocrity and stick with Edmunds at MLB, erroneously thinking more speed is actually a fix to getting over the hump. Which I disagree with, but whatever...

    25-Trent McDuffie CB Washington
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    I put aside my perceptions and went on the assumption that McBeane will double-down on safe mediocrity and stick with Edmunds at MLB, erroneously thinking more speed is actually a fix to getting over the hump. Which I disagree with, but whatever...
    The one wildcard we can hope for is that someone like Nakobe Dean (or whoever), impresses them enough as an athlete to shake up their status quo.....like if Dean is good enough to affect their cover 2 shell or also a big nickel (I think he is), and make it viable to have 3 lbs on the field. You can theoretically find speed and physicality at a lot of positions that will affect others. I dunno. Still a lot of offseason to shake out.

    It's something to hope for anyway. Beane loves him some athletes.

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    1-Roger McCreary CB Auburn - Press, man, zone, motor, tackles, ballhawk, yes please.

    2-Darrian Beavers LB Cincinnati - better than Klein, possible future MLB, easy step in at either LB spot, whole package.

    3-Ed Ingram IOL LSU - versatile, strength, speed, smarts, guard.

    4-John Ridgeway IDL Arkansas - NT, strong, low, two gaps, penetrates, big.

    5-Zaquandre White RB SC - burst, lateral movement, finds holes, bigger at 215, catches.

    6-Reed Blankenship S Middle Tennessee - best at 2 high shell, hits, covers, big nickel, future replacement at safety, ST.

    7-Micheal Clemons Edge Texas A&M - burst, power, 3pt or 2pt stance, motor.

    8-Nick Ford IOL Utah - versatile, center in training.

    9-Mike Harley WR Miami - cheaper, younger Isaiah McKenzie. Same skills set. Soft hands.


    Guys that can move and play physical with power, smarts and motor.

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