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    The Israel-U.S. Model Has Been a Resounding Success

    Whether by accident or by deliberate osmosis, Israel and the U.S. have adopted similar solutions to their existential problems.

    Before 2002, during the various Palestinian intifadas, Israel suffered hundreds of deaths and thousands of injuries from suicide bombers freely crossing from the West Bank and Gaza into Israel.


    In response, Israel planned a vast border barrier. The international community was outraged. The Israeli left called the idea nothing short of "apartheid."

    However, after the completion of the 440-mile border barrier -- part concrete well, part wire fencing -- suicide bombings and terrorist incursions into Israel declined to almost nil.

    The wall was not entirely responsible for enhanced Israeli security. But it freed up border manpower to patrol more vigorously. The barrier also was integrated with electronic surveillance and tougher laws against illegal immigration.


    The wall also brought strategic and political clarity. Those who damned Israel but freely crossed its borders sounded incoherent when they became furious that the barrier prevented access to the hated Zionist entity.

    The Trump administration is currently seeking funds to create new border walls and replace old, porous fencing in order to stem illegal immigration on the southern border.

    The strategy seems similar: The wall will free up manpower for better border policing. It likewise provides a certain political clarity. The United States is often criticized by Mexico and other Latin American countries. It is now being taken to task for the effort to make it more difficult to illegally enter such a supposedly unwelcome and hostile landscape.

    For years, Israel's great weakness was its dependence on imported energy, while its neighboring enemies grew rich exporting oil and natural gas. Yet in the last decade, Israel has ramped up production to take advantage of its vast natural gas reserves -- to the point that it is not just self-sufficient in fossil fuels but soon will become a major exporter.


    Now, Israel cannot be threatened economically by either Iran or various Persian Gulf monarchies. Its economy is stronger than ever. Europeans suddenly are more accommodating, given that Israel may well become a natural gas exporter to a fuel-hungry Europe.

    Like Israel, but unlike Europe, the U.S. was eager to frack and horizontally drill to tap vast new fossil fuel reserves. The change in U.S. strategic energy independence is similarly astounding.

    America is now the largest producer of natural gas and oil in the world. Its output has increased world supply, dropped prices and hurt America's oil-exporting enemies.

    The relative power of Russia and Middle Eastern nations, such as Iran, over U.S. decision-making has radically diminished -- along with the need to station huge numbers of American troops in the volatile Middle East.

    As in Israel, opponents either argued that more drilling would ruin the environment or that it would not work. They seem to be wrong on both counts.

    Israel's foreign policy could be called Jacksonian. Israel allies with friends, neutrals and former enemies whenever they share particular strategic goals.

    In the topsy-turvy Middle East, Israel is now sometimes a strategic partner with formerly hostile regimes in Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and other Gulf monarchies. They all share greater fears of theocratic Iran and its terrorist appendages in Lebanon, Syria and Yemen.

    Apparently, much of the Arab world is no longer as interested in the Palestinian desire to destroy Israel. Many Palestinian groups are allied with a despised Iran, while many Arabs believe that Israel's strength can sometimes be strategically useful.

    Current American realism is similar. The U.S. is neither isolationist nor an interventionist nation-builder. Its foreign-policy goals are to enhance its military, expand its already powerful economy, limit its strategic exposure, and bank its resulting hard and soft power to use only as a deterrent force against those who kill Americans or endanger U.S. interests.

    Instead of cajoling allies to join us in expeditionary wars abroad, the U.S. increasingly appears reluctant to intervene, especially in the Middle East. As a result, former critics are now becoming suppliants requesting U.S. assistance.

    As with Israel, the U.S. is less eager to apply political litmus tests to its occasional allies. It also seeks to avoid quagmires where its overwhelming conventional firepower can be neutralized by terrorists and urban guerrillas.

    The promoters of these unconventional policies, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and U.S. President Donald Trump, are both despised by their respective establishments and under constant threat of removal by their livid political opponents.

    Yet they both have transformed their respective countries. Their policies remind us that it is sometimes preferable to be respected rather than just be liked -- and that when a nation is strong and does not beg for help, it often finds more than it needs.

    (C) 2020 TRIBUNE CONTENT AGENCY, LLC.


    Victor Davis Hanson is a classicist and historian at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University. His latest book is The Savior Generals from BloomsburyBooks. You can reach him by e-mailing author@victorhanson.com.

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    Now before the usual suspects get in here and start spewing anti Israel and anti trump rants, maybe there is some truth in this. Maybe it is time for the minority that wants to push Israel in to the sea, to get on board for once. If you cant beat them join them type of thing. Time to put the 1000 yr old grudges to bed. Israel is not going anywhere, that is a given. So why keep at it. It is the poor Arab that is taking the brunt in all this. If everyone just started to work together , and stop the bs war and also would be better in the war against CC.
    I admire china because their basic dictatorship is allowing them to actually turn their economy around on a dime.
    PM Justin Trudeau.

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    Re: The Israel-U.S. Model Has Been a Resounding Success

    hey it's ticat warcrimesluvr lastname, here to pimp a fellow war crimes loving racist and his bad opinions how predictable

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    ticat if you stay in your conservative bubble for too long its gonna fill up and yr gonna choke on ur own bull****

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    Re: The Israel-U.S. Model Has Been a Resounding Success

    Quote Originally Posted by SupremeParentHater View Post
    hey it's ticat warcrimesluvr lastname, here to pimp a fellow war crimes loving racist and his bad opinions how predictable
    If you think you are being cute you are not, this happens to be a political message board. You are making a fool out of yourself, and we know you have no clue or idea on what is going on there. So add to it or just leave it alone. Thanks buddy.

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    Re: The Israel-U.S. Model Has Been a Resounding Success

    Quote Originally Posted by ticatfan View Post
    You are making a fool out of yourself, and we know you have no clue or idea on what is going on there.
    do YOU? have you personally been there in the last year? can you, in your own words, explain in detail what's been going on over there? or are you just trying to shut me up for pointing out that you're an old bitter racist who refuses to even attempt to see things from different points of view?

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    Re: The Israel-U.S. Model Has Been a Resounding Success

    Quote Originally Posted by SupremeParentHater View Post
    hey it's ticat warcrimesluvr lastname, here to pimp a fellow war crimes loving racist and his bad opinions how predictable
    LOL @ hey it's ticat warcrimesluvr lastname

    Classic!
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    Re: The Israel-U.S. Model Has Been a Resounding Success

    Quote Originally Posted by ticatfan View Post
    Whether by accident or by deliberate osmosis, Israel and the U.S. have adopted similar solutions to their existential problems.
    Yup. theft of land rightfully belonging to others
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    Re: The Israel-U.S. Model Has Been a Resounding Success

    Nothing better than the British or French colonists blaming the US or anybody else for the geographic tragedy of the Middle east.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VBlBekw3Uk&t=554s

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    Re: The Israel-U.S. Model Has Been a Resounding Success

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain gameboy View Post
    Nothing better than the British or French colonists blaming the US or anybody else for the geographic tragedy of the Middle east.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VBlBekw3Uk&t=554s
    Point being? No one is defending European colonialism and the historical reasons for the ME being what it is have no bearing on whether the modern actions of the US and Israel are justified.

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    Well they are both terrorist countries.
    promote the general welfare..........

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    Re: The Israel-U.S. Model Has Been a Resounding Success

    Palestinians in response to this article...


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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeMama View Post
    Palestinians in response to this article...

    "Which button turns me to the lawyer and makes me sue the crap outta ya??"

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    Then I guess their lives will never change. It almost seems the american left just wants to keep it as is. Keep using the poor palastinian as a pawn in their political games.

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    Re: The Israel-U.S. Model Has Been a Resounding Success

    Quote Originally Posted by ticatfan View Post
    Then I guess their lives will never change. It almost seems the american left just wants to keep it as is. Keep using the poor palastinian as a pawn in their political games.
    This post is retarded.

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    Re: The Israel-U.S. Model Has Been a Resounding Success

    Quote Originally Posted by SupremeParentHater View Post
    do YOU? have you personally been there in the last year? can you, in your own words, explain in detail what's been going on over there? or are you just trying to shut me up for pointing out that you're an old bitter racist who refuses to even attempt to see things from different points of view?
    Excuse me kiddo, but I am not the one acting like a child. If you have something to add instead of some stupid insult, then you are more than welcome to jump in. But if you are just going to show your inner punk, don't waste my time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haile SpikedLemonade View Post
    This post is retarded.
    Why? Explain why? That is what we did here one time. Now it is just a room full of juveniles. No fun anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ticatfan View Post
    Excuse me kiddo, but I am not the one acting like a child. If you have something to add instead of some stupid insult, then you are more than welcome to jump in. But if you are just going to show your inner punk, don't waste my time.
    so you dont have an answer for me. gotcha

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    Quote Originally Posted by SupremeParentHater View Post
    so you dont have an answer for me. gotcha
    Never been there, just yrs of being interested in it and reading and watching everything about it. Both sides are at fault. But it has been at a stalemates for yrs, and nothing will change un till the Arabs sit down with Israel or shut down the groups that will never be happy until every jew is dead. Israel if you like it or not is in the drivers seat and are not going anywhere. So do they just keep attacking Israel and then getting smoked? Or maybe it is time to talk. Israel has given up the gaza and what did they get for that, more rockets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SupremeParentHater View Post
    so you dont have an answer for me. gotcha
    Where is yours?

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