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    Josh Allen is a Star

    He crushes it this season & takes his place, I got word of this early on:

    https://twitter.com/mattparrino/status/1267103456327761925?s=21

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    Re: Josh Allen is a Star

    What he'd say about the protests?

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    Re: Josh Allen is a Star

    I like Allen's progress and potential. But to say he's a star? Com'on guys. NFL star QB and last in completion percentage does not go together in my book; Allen finishes last in completion percentage in NFL (qualified QBs) two years in a row.

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    Re: Josh Allen is a Star

    Quote Originally Posted by ghz in pittsburgh View Post
    I like Allen's progress and potential. But to say he's a star? Com'on guys. NFL star QB and last in completion percentage does not go together in my book; Allen finishes last in completion percentage in NFL (qualified QBs) two years in a row.

    9th in total TDs. Lead team to playoffs. Number 1 QB in the 4th last year and while trailing. Outplayed Watson 99% of the playoff game...

    Im not saying hes a superstar but he definitely deserves recognition as a star
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    Re: Josh Allen is a Star

    Josh had only one back with real legs & no #1 WR to throw too, Our TE’s should be a monsters this year too. Anybody forget that we lead the NFL in red zone efficiency for a while last season ?? How about no 4th quarter INT’s from Allen lady season ?? Hate to skip these facts, but hey it’s your choice.

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    Re: Josh Allen is a Star

    Quote Originally Posted by Skooby View Post
    Josh had only one back with real legs & no #1 WR to throw too, Our TE’s should be a monsters this year too. Anybody forget that we lead the NFL in red zone efficiency for a while last season ?? How about no 4th quarter INT’s from Allen lady season ?? Hate to skip these facts, but hey it’s your choice.
    wait so we shouldn't be looking to trade him for a 3rd?

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    Re: Josh Allen is a Star

    Quote Originally Posted by Skooby View Post
    He crushes it this season & takes his place, I got word of this early on:

    https://twitter.com/mattparrino/status/1267103456327761925?s=21
    Awesome. Enjoyed the article.

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    Re: Josh Allen is a Star

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King
    I think Buffalo’s the best team in the division with one proviso: Allen must be better. Last year, of the 27 quarterbacks who started at least 12 games in the NFL, Allen was 27th in passing yards per game, with 193.1. That’s 40 yards worse than Gardner Minshew. So that’s a pretty big proviso.
    https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-peter-king-2/

    Josh Allen is a star? In your head, perhaps. Because on paper, he still sucks.

    Let's come back down off of cloud-9 and see a little reality please.
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    Re: Josh Allen is a Star

    Quote Originally Posted by Skooby View Post
    Josh had only one back with real legs & no #1 WR to throw too, Our TEís should be a monsters this year too. Anybody forget that we lead the NFL in red zone efficiency for a while last season ?? How about no 4th quarter INTís from Allen lady season ?? Hate to skip these facts, but hey itís your choice.

    Best example is that good QBs use their talent the way they should be used. He used Knox, Duke, Brown, and Beasley the exact way he should've. Duke came in and he throws a lot more tight Windows away from his body. Beasley he throws the ball away from the defender so he can do his spin and turn up field. Brown he throws it to his chest. Knox he threw it in a way that he could turn up field and make a play. His ball placement is really good for what the WRs want to do



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    Re: Josh Allen is a Star

    Quote Originally Posted by Cali512 View Post
    Best example is that good QBs use their talent the way they should be used. He used Knox, Duke, Brown, and Beasley the exact way he should've. Duke came in and he throws a lot more tight Windows away from his body. Beasley he throws the ball away from the defender so he can do his spin and turn up field. Brown he throws it to his chest. Knox he threw it in a way that he could turn up field and make a play. His ball placement is really good for what the WRs want to do
    No it isn't. Not up to NFL standard. Less than 60% completion %. And don't give me the dropped ball excuse. If he get's there fine, but his accuracy is not wat an NFL QB should be yet. Facts are facts. You just have a habit of distorting them to fit the things you dream up in your mind.

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    Re: Josh Allen is a Star

    Quote Originally Posted by Swiper View Post
    No it isn't. Not up to NFL standard. Less than 60% completion %. And don't give me the dropped ball excuse. If he get's there fine, but his accuracy is not wat an NFL QB should be yet. Facts are facts. You just have a habit of distorting them to fit the things you dream up in your mind.
    You must of missed Josh had the highest % of drops with catchable balls. I think Josh improves on this and his WR are better, so it should be a meeting of the minds here. Like I said, Iíve heard heís been lights out good and why I posted this.
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    Re: Josh Allen is a Star

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Cody View Post
    wait so we shouldn't be looking to trade him for a 3rd?
    I was corrected & was told Josh is playing great, so to answer your snarky question.

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    Re: Josh Allen is a Star

    Quote Originally Posted by Skooby View Post
    You must of missed Josh had the highest % of drops with catchable balls. I think Josh improves on this and his WR are better, so it should be a meeting of the minds here. Like I said, I’ve heard he’s been lights out good and why I posted this.
    This is your argumenet thanked post #9 that said:

    He used Knox, Duke, Brown, and Beasley the exact way he should've...


    You can't make this stuff up. It's comedic genius.

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    Re: Josh Allen is a Star

    Quote Originally Posted by Swiper View Post
    No it isn't. Not up to NFL standard. Less than 60% completion %. And don't give me the dropped ball excuse. If he get's there fine, but his accuracy is not wat an NFL QB should be yet. Facts are facts. You just have a habit of distorting them to fit the things you dream up in your mind.
    He sucked based on completion percentage? So having the 9th most TDs (despite not playing most of the Jets game) means nothing? You'd rather have a QB who completes a higher percentage of passes than scores points?
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    Re: Josh Allen is a Star

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobylal View Post
    He sucked based on completion percentage? So having the 9th most TDs (despite not playing most of the Jets game) means nothing? You'd rather have a QB who completes a higher percentage of passes than scores points?
    Being 9th best in one category does not make someone a “star.” 25 years without a star QB has warped your perception of what that actually means.

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    Re: Josh Allen is a Star

    There is an interesting stat being thrown around by some national NFL writers. The last QB who came onto the scene in his 3rd year in the league and wound up being a franchise (HOF/HOF worthy) QB is Troy Aikman. That's how far back you have to look. Drew Brees' case was really due to his injury. Everyone else either showed in their 2nd year or never.

    It does not mean with Allen at center, the Bills cannot win a superbowl. They very well might - must do it before they face the decision to pay or not to pay him.

    Personally I think if a QB can break the QB drought after Aikman (so-so after first 2 years in NFL, then become great), it could very well be Allen, largely due to his unique football career (or the lack of in college/high school -- not being analyzed/coached to death before coming to NFL).

    I just want to point out why everyone else outside of Buffalo looks at Allen that way, and you really can't blame them. One or two category of important stats do not make a QB. But they certain can break one, pointing to areas of deficiency. Being great means you don't have ANY area of significant deficiency.

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    Re: Josh Allen is a Star

    Quote Originally Posted by ghz in pittsburgh View Post
    There is an interesting stat being thrown around by some national NFL writers. The last QB who came onto the scene in his 3rd year in the league and wound up being a franchise (HOF/HOF worthy) QB is Troy Aikman. That's how far back you have to look. Drew Brees' case was really due to his injury. Everyone else either showed in their 2nd year or never.

    It does not mean with Allen at center, the Bills cannot win a superbowl. They very well might - must do it before they face the decision to pay or not to pay him.

    Personally I think if a QB can break the QB drought after Aikman (so-so after first 2 years in NFL, then become great), it could very well be Allen, largely due to his unique football career (or the lack of in college/high school -- not being analyzed/coached to death before coming to NFL).

    I just want to point out why everyone else outside of Buffalo looks at Allen that way, and you really can't blame them. One or two category of important stats do not make a QB. But they certain can break one, pointing to areas of deficiency. Being great means you don't have ANY area of significant deficiency.
    Huh? Aikman's 3rd season was average at best. He had 11 TDs to 10 INTs. And Brees wasn't good in his 3rd season regardless of injury. Hence the reason they drafted Rivers the following draft.
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    Re: Josh Allen is a Star

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobylal View Post
    Huh? Aikman's 3rd season was average at best. He had 11 TDs to 10 INTs. And Brees wasn't good in his 3rd season regardless of injury. Hence the reason they drafted Rivers the following draft.
    Again you don't measure a QB with one stat.

    Aikman first 5 years - you can easily see year 3 is the break through year. Year 4 and 5 are the peaks.
    Year Team GP Att Cmp Pct Yds TD Int Long QB Rating
    1989 DAL 11 293 155 52.9 1,749 9 18 75 55.7
    1990 DAL 15 399 226 56.6 2,579 11 18 61 66.6
    1991 DAL 12 363 237 65.3 2,754 11 10 61 86.7
    1992 DAL 16 473 302 63.8 3,445 23 14 87 89.5
    1993 DAL 14 392 271 69.1 3,100 15 6 80 99.0
    Drew Brees first 5 years - you gotta ignore his first year which he basically sat for but one game. His actual playing year 3 , 2004, actually put him into stardom (I know Cleveland people are hoping Bakers career mirror Brees - could be).

    Year Team G GS Comp Att Yds Pct Avg TD Int Lng Ypg Sck SckY Rate
    2001 SD 1 0 15 27 221 55.6 8.2 1 0 40 221.0 2 12 94.8
    2002 SD 16 16 320 526 3,284 60.8 6.2 17 16 52 205.3 24 180 76.9
    2003 SD 11 11 205 356 2,108 57.6 5.9 11 15 68 191.6 21 178 67.5
    2004 SD 15 15 262 400 3,159 65.5 7.9 27 7 79 210.6 18 131 104.8
    2005 SD 16 16 323 500 3,576 64.6 7.2 24 15 54 223.5 27 223 89.2

    Looking back, the Bills were just so badly managed or unlucky in this case. Without trading up and drafting Losman in 2004, the Bills would be in prime position to test Brees water after 2005, despite the shoulder scare. Donahoe is the type that could take that kind of injury risk, like he did with McGahee.

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    Re: Josh Allen is a Star

    Quote Originally Posted by ghz in pittsburgh View Post
    Again you don't measure a QB with one stat.

    Aikman first 5 years - you can easily see year 3 is the break through year. Year 4 and 5 are the peaks.
    Year Team GP Att Cmp Pct Yds TD Int Long QB Rating
    1989 DAL 11 293 155 52.9 1,749 9 18 75 55.7
    1990 DAL 15 399 226 56.6 2,579 11 18 61 66.6
    1991 DAL 12 363 237 65.3 2,754 11 10 61 86.7
    1992 DAL 16 473 302 63.8 3,445 23 14 87 89.5
    1993 DAL 14 392 271 69.1 3,100 15 6 80 99.0
    Drew Brees first 5 years - you gotta ignore his first year which he basically sat for but one game. His actual playing year 3 , 2004, actually put him into stardom (I know Cleveland people are hoping Bakers career mirror Brees - could be).

    Year Team G GS Comp Att Yds Pct Avg TD Int Lng Ypg Sck SckY Rate
    2001 SD 1 0 15 27 221 55.6 8.2 1 0 40 221.0 2 12 94.8
    2002 SD 16 16 320 526 3,284 60.8 6.2 17 16 52 205.3 24 180 76.9
    2003 SD 11 11 205 356 2,108 57.6 5.9 11 15 68 191.6 21 178 67.5
    2004 SD 15 15 262 400 3,159 65.5 7.9 27 7 79 210.6 18 131 104.8
    2005 SD 16 16 323 500 3,576 64.6 7.2 24 15 54 223.5 27 223 89.2

    Looking back, the Bills were just so badly managed or unlucky in this case. Without trading up and drafting Losman in 2004, the Bills would be in prime position to test Brees water after 2005, despite the shoulder scare. Donahoe is the type that could take that kind of injury risk, like he did with McGahee.
    Sorry, I don't view 11 TDs and 10 INTs (in Aikman's 3rd season) as a "breakthrough" season. It's barely passable. Even less-so for Brees' (I'll grant you) 2nd season starting, which was terrible at 11 TDs and 15 INTs. If that's what you consider "breakthrough," then 29 TDs and 9 INTs and a 10-6 record is a "breakthrough" season in spades, and that was just Josh's 2nd season. Moreover his stats, minus completion percentage, were nearly identical to Brees' 3rd season starting, his real "breakthrough" season.

    You can't have it both ways. Football is a game where the team with the most points wins, not the team with the best completion percentage or yards even. All those guys had on Josh in their "breakthrough" seasons was completion percentage, and that depends on more factors than just the QB. Give me the guy that scores points over the gaudy completion percentage.

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    Re: Josh Allen is a Star

    Quote Originally Posted by ghz in pittsburgh View Post
    Again you don't measure a QB with one stat.

    Aikman first 5 years - you can easily see year 3 is the break through year. Year 4 and 5 are the peaks.
    Year Team GP Att Cmp Pct Yds TD Int Long QB Rating
    1989 DAL 11 293 155 52.9 1,749 9 18 75 55.7
    1990 DAL 15 399 226 56.6 2,579 11 18 61 66.6
    1991 DAL 12 363 237 65.3 2,754 11 10 61 86.7
    1992 DAL 16 473 302 63.8 3,445 23 14 87 89.5
    1993 DAL 14 392 271 69.1 3,100 15 6 80 99.0
    Drew Brees first 5 years - you gotta ignore his first year which he basically sat for but one game. His actual playing year 3 , 2004, actually put him into stardom (I know Cleveland people are hoping Bakers career mirror Brees - could be).

    Year Team G GS Comp Att Yds Pct Avg TD Int Lng Ypg Sck SckY Rate
    2001 SD 1 0 15 27 221 55.6 8.2 1 0 40 221.0 2 12 94.8
    2002 SD 16 16 320 526 3,284 60.8 6.2 17 16 52 205.3 24 180 76.9
    2003 SD 11 11 205 356 2,108 57.6 5.9 11 15 68 191.6 21 178 67.5
    2004 SD 15 15 262 400 3,159 65.5 7.9 27 7 79 210.6 18 131 104.8
    2005 SD 16 16 323 500 3,576 64.6 7.2 24 15 54 223.5 27 223 89.2

    Looking back, the Bills were just so badly managed or unlucky in this case. Without trading up and drafting Losman in 2004, the Bills would be in prime position to test Brees water after 2005, despite the shoulder scare. Donahoe is the type that could take that kind of injury risk, like he did with McGahee.
    Man oh mighty this is some shaky S-it here, Josh had a lot of drops man & one RB / no #1 WR. If Josh for some odd reason doesn’t shine this year, it could only be his own fault. Your Aikman’s “breakout” 3rd year is a big stretch, big.

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