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    Re: Josh Allen is a Star

    Add in rushing stats and Josh has been a more productive QB than Ben through first 2 years. By 10 TD! Ben 214 yards 4 TD Josh Allen 1141 yards 17 TD

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    Re: Josh Allen is a Star

    Quote Originally Posted by ghz in pittsburgh View Post
    Wow, Look at Ben's first year stats. If that is "terrible", what would you call Allen's first year in NFL? Amateur-ish?
    Year Team GP GS Record Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A Lng TD Int Rtg Att Yds Avg Lng TD Sck Yds Fum Lst
    2004 PIT 14 13 13–0 196 295 66.4 2,621 8.9 58 17 11 98.1 56 144 2.6 20 1 30 213 2 2
    2005 PIT 12 12 9–3 168 268 62.7 2,385 8.9 85 17 9 98.6 31 69 2.2 13 3 23 129 2 1


    Literally almost the exact same passing stats as I just pointed out. You're funny

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    Re: Josh Allen is a Star

    Quote Originally Posted by Cali512 View Post
    No he didn't. Ben was terrible his first 3 years. Luckily his team was so good it didnt matter. His super Bowl was arguably the worst super Bowl performance from a QB in nfl history.
    He was a caretaker QB the first few years that only needed to make a couple big plays a game because he had a great team around him. That ghz is pretending he was some HOF QB by year 2 is crazy talk.

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    Re: Josh Allen is a Star

    Quote Originally Posted by Swiper View Post
    No it isn't. Not up to NFL standard. Less than 60% completion %. And don't give me the dropped ball excuse. If he get's there fine, but his accuracy is not wat an NFL QB should be yet. Facts are facts. You just have a habit of distorting them to fit the things you dream up in your mind.
    Here we go again with completion %. To get over 60 where you want him he needs to throw one pass a game better than he has to date. Do you really think he can't take that step?

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    Re: Josh Allen is a Star

    Quote Originally Posted by OpIv37 View Post
    Being 9th best in one category does not make someone a star. 25 years without a star QB has warped your perception of what that actually means.

    You're right. 9th best in TD's produced is a pretty meaningless stat. If only he could of completed one more pass per game to get over 60% instead of those TD's! Then we'd have something to be exited about!

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    Re: Josh Allen is a Star

    Quote Originally Posted by Novacane View Post
    You're right. 9th best in TD's produced is a pretty meaningless stat. If only he could of completed one more pass per game to get over 60% instead of those TD's! Then we'd have something to be exited about!
    True story.

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    Re: Josh Allen is a Star

    Quote Originally Posted by Skooby View Post
    You mean the more we score with our top 5 defense will win us more games ?? Do tell...
    I know. Crazy, right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Novacane View Post
    You're right. 9th best in TD's produced is a pretty meaningless stat. If only he could of completed one more pass per game to get over 60% instead of those TD's! Then we'd have something to be exited about!
    He was actually 6th in the NFL in TDs during the regular season. The 9th in the NFL was if you factored-in playoffs, which doesn't count.
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    Re: Josh Allen is a Star

    Quote Originally Posted by Novacane View Post
    Add in rushing stats and Josh has been a more productive QB than Ben through first 2 years. By 10 TD! Ben 214 yards 4 TD Josh Allen 1141 yards 17 TD
    Great I never knew that thanks for pointing this out.



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    Re: Josh Allen is a Star

    Quote Originally Posted by Novacane View Post
    Here we go again with completion %. To get over 60 where you want him he needs to throw one pass a game better than he has to date. Do you really think he can't take that step?
    I do. But that's not the issue. Again see post #8. It was that Daboll didn't allow him to throw that much. They planned high percentage passes. You think he's right there, but the way you look at it isn't right. If he was throwing more passes, like other NFL QBs his % would have been even worse.
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    Re: Josh Allen is a Star

    Quote Originally Posted by Novacane View Post
    Here we go again with completion %. To get over 60 where you want him he needs to throw one pass a game better than he has to date. Do you really think he can't take that step?
    5 fewer drops and he would have been at 60%. He's already there.

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    Re: Josh Allen is a Star

    Quote Originally Posted by Swiper View Post
    I do. But that's not the issue. Again see post #8. It was that Daboll didn't allow him to throw that much. They planned high percentage passes. You think he's right there, but the way you look at it isn't right. If he was throwing more passes, like other NFL QBs his % would have been even worse.
    He improves in ranking when you include his expected completion rate. That factors in that he tends to throw ****er and uses dumpoffs to the RB less than most QBs. He's around 18-20 in rankings when normalized for expected completion percentage.

    I think you've got it backwards.

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    Re: Josh Allen is a Star

    Quote Originally Posted by jimmifli View Post
    5 fewer drops and he would have been at 60%. He's already there.
    Josh's receivers dropped 26 passes last year. Most in the NFL.

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    Re: Josh Allen is a Star

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobylal View Post
    Josh's receivers dropped 26 passes last year. Most in the NFL.
    They’ll get this more together now.

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    Re: Josh Allen is a Star

    Quote Originally Posted by jimmifli View Post
    He improves in ranking when you include his expected completion rate. That factors in that he tends to throw ****er and uses dumpoffs to the RB less than most QBs. He's around 18-20 in rankings when normalized for expected completion percentage.

    I think you've got it backwards.


    Expected? You mean predicted? It's actual that counts. So, no, I think you've got it backwards. We don't work off of projected statistics, because you can project anything you want using your own biased reasoning to justify it. jimmie acting like an American Bills fan.

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    Re: Josh Allen is a Star

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobylal View Post
    Josh's receivers dropped 26 passes last year. Most in the NFL.
    So they kept them all?

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    Re: Josh Allen is a Star

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    Expected? You mean predicted? It's actual that counts. So, no, I think you've got it backwards. We don't work off of projected statistics, because you can project anything you want using your own biased reasoning to justify it. jimmie acting like an American Bills fan.
    It's a way of looking the probability of completion based on depth and area of the field based on years of data. ****s throws are a lower percentage, dump offs a higher percentage, outside lower than inside, etc...

    The stat looks at his completion percentage and compares it to the "expected" completion rate, or the average completion rate for a QB that made the same throws. He's still bad, but normalizing it against the difficulty of the throws he makes improves his ranking. The opposite of what you said. He's not protected.

    He's choosing too many low percentage throw, but his completion rate isn't abysmal considering his throw selection.

    Start trying to understand what I right instead of acting like a moron and jumping to conclusions. It'd be less embarrassing for you.

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    Re: Josh Allen is a Star

    Quote Originally Posted by jimmifli View Post
    It's a way of looking the probability of completion based on depth and area of the field based on years of data. ****s throws are a lower percentage, dump offs a higher percentage, outside lower than inside, etc...

    The stat looks at his completion percentage and compares it to the "expected" completion rate, or the average completion rate for a QB that made the same throws. He's still bad, but normalizing it against the difficulty of the throws he makes improves his ranking. The opposite of what you said. He's not protected.

    He's choosing too many low percentage throw, but his completion rate isn't abysmal considering his throw selection.

    Start trying to understand what I right instead of acting like a moron and jumping to conclusions. It'd be less embarrassing for you.
    I understand fine. You write poorly. You are the only one embarrassed in this conversation.

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    Re: Josh Allen is a Star

    Quote Originally Posted by Swiper View Post
    So they kept them all?
    Huh?

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    Re: Josh Allen is a Star

    Quote Originally Posted by Swiper View Post
    I understand fine. You write poorly. You are the only one embarrassed in this conversation.
    Attacking the poster versus the words is usually the last act of a fool, hes not that hard to follow man.

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    Re: Josh Allen is a Star

    Quote Originally Posted by Swiper View Post
    I understand fine. You write poorly. You are the only one embarrassed in this conversation.
    What he said was perfectly fine. The point was that a QB who throws shorter, safer passes will obviously have a higher completion percentage than the QB who throws longer and lower percentage passes.

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