NFL Has to Correct Their Bad Calls In Real Time

[Night Train]

Doesn't matter if it's an officials time out and takes a couple of minutes to review and correct. Trying to help an official save face with the gutless public apology the next day is a failing practice. Not just roughing the passer but helmet to helmet or other questionable personal foul calls.

KC has every right to be insulted with that explanation of weak BS last night.

Makes it difficult to become so emotionally invested in the NFL product when these instances occur. Integrity of the game comes into question. Otherwise, just put 2 flags on the hips of all the QB1's in the NFL and start blowing an early whistle.

Overreaction calls/rules are compounded by not getting the call right in real time. GET IT RIGHT.

[Cntrygal]

Yes.

An "OOPS, we got it wrong - sorry" memo the next day doesn't do a damn thing.

[Forward_Lateral]

I've been saying this for years. They've somewhat improved, by sometimes discussing things on the field, etc. But there should be a ref at every game, watching live, and if there's a bad call, it needs to be reviewed. These subjective roughing the passer calls are ridiculous. I hate to say it, but they need to go the college route and make these penalties reviewable.

[Night Train]

Yes.
An "OOPS, we got it wrong - sorry" memo the next day doesn't do a damn thing.

And they still think that's the best policy in this age of advanced technology which can render easy decisions of pure visual common sense.

Quit explaining the ridiculous ever changing rules to us in order to justify egregious calls that can cost teams a win.

[mightysimi]

It will be reviewable soon. Maybe even this year. I don't see any other way to fix it.

[cookie G]

Whatever. They are trying to protect the quarterback.

It looked at first glance as if CJ put his entire weight on Carr when he was going down. Whether Carr lost the ball or not, it was still all in the same motion. Even he understood the call. He said after the game that he understands what the NFL is doing.

OK, so they got it wrong. They ended up giving the Chiefs a make up call with the bogus defensive holding call on a missed FG attempt, a call that hasn't been made since 2015.

A few weeks ago, you had a QB in Tua who got up from a hit like he was hit by a Mike Tyson upper cut. Then inexplicably he was put back in the game. The following week, he was carried off on a backboard. His back up was then carried off the field the following week.

The NFL is going to try and protect its QBs, who are the brightest lights in its brand. This is especially true when they are in the act of throwing, when they cannot protect themselves.

So they err on the side of caution. I'd just as soon they did that rather than have QB's knocked out of games for a cheap hit.

[OpIv37]

Whatever. They are trying to protect the quarterback.

It looked at first glance as if CJ put his entire weight on Carr when he was going down. Whether Carr lost the ball or not, it was still all in the same motion. Even he understood the call. He said after the game that he understands what the NFL is doing.

OK, so they got it wrong. They ended up giving the Chiefs a make up call with the bogus defensive holding call on a missed FG attempt, a call that hasn't been made since 2015.

A few weeks ago, you had a QB in Tua who got up from a hit like he was hit by a Mike Tyson upper cut. Then inexplicably he was put back in the game. The following week, he was carried off on a backboard. His back up was then carried off the field the following week.

The NFL is going to try and protect its QBs, who are the brightest lights in its brand. This is especially true when they are in the act of throwing, when they cannot protect themselves.

So they err on the side of caution. I'd just as soon they did that rather than have QB's knocked out of games for a cheap hit.

Why does it have to be either/or? Don't err on the side of caution- just don't err at all. Get it right.

I know, the refs are human and people make mistakes, but there are FAR too many mistakes and it's having an effect on the results.

And the inconsistency is annoying. Both Brady and Mahomes were "protected" with awful calls that impacted the game this past weekend, and yes, Josh has some questionable ones go in his favor too. Meanwhile, somehow that Hamlin hit on Pickett isn't a foul?

Personally, I don't think the Hamlin hit was a foul because Hamlin committed to the hit before Pickett committed to the slide, but it's really irrelevant to this discussion. The league claims they are trying to protect QB's. It's hard to comprehend how they can claim that when Mahomes and Brady get calls on plays that aren't dangerous, meanwhile Pickett can't get a flag on a vicious hit. They're not accomplishing the goal.

[Forward_Lateral]

Whatever. They are trying to protect the quarterback.

It looked at first glance as if CJ put his entire weight on Carr when he was going down. Whether Carr lost the ball or not, it was still all in the same motion. Even he understood the call. He said after the game that he understands what the NFL is doing.

OK, so they got it wrong. They ended up giving the Chiefs a make up call with the bogus defensive holding call on a missed FG attempt, a call that hasn't been made since 2015.

A few weeks ago, you had a QB in Tua who got up from a hit like he was hit by a Mike Tyson upper cut. Then inexplicably he was put back in the game. The following week, he was carried off on a backboard. His back up was then carried off the field the following week.

The NFL is going to try and protect its QBs, who are the brightest lights in its brand. This is especially true when they are in the act of throwing, when they cannot protect themselves.

So they err on the side of caution. I'd just as soon they did that rather than have QB's knocked out of games for a cheap hit.

Jones had the ball in his other hand. How on earth do you expect him to not fall on Carr?

Did you not watch the roughing the passer call in the Atlanta game vs Tom Brady? It basically cost the Falcons a chance to complete their comeback, as it happened on 3rd down, and gave Tampa a first down, and basically the win.

The call last night was even worse. Carr had FUMBLED. He Jones had the ball in one hand. How is he supposed to not fall on Carr? Gimme a break. These calls need to be 100% reviewable (without a challenge) by either a league official at the game, or a league official in NY or wherever their HQ is.

I'm all for protecting the QB, but not if it determines the outcome of a game, when it's not even CLOSE to a penalty. Why not just make it 2 hand touch on the QB?

You are way off on this one Cookie, sorry.

[cookie G]

Why does it have to be either/or? Don't err on the side of caution- just don't err at all. Get it right.

I know, the refs are human and people make mistakes, but there are FAR too many mistakes and it's having an effect on the results.

And the inconsistency is annoying. Both Brady and Mahomes were "protected" with awful calls that impacted the game this past weekend, and yes, Josh has some questionable ones go in his favor too. Meanwhile, somehow that Hamlin hit on Pickett isn't a foul?

Personally, I don't think the Hamlin hit was a foul because Hamlin committed to the hit before Pickett committed to the slide, but it's really irrelevant to this discussion. The league claims they are trying to protect QB's. It's hard to comprehend how they can claim that when Mahomes and Brady get calls on plays that aren't dangerous, meanwhile Pickett can't get a flag on a vicious hit. They're not accomplishing the goal.

You answered your own question.

"I know, the refs are human and people make mistakes".

You're looking for a Holy Grail of refereeing if you are expecting games not to be called perfectly.

Notice that the personal foul calls get the publicity when they aren't right. Last night's game is a perfect example.

People have talked ad nauseum about it and how horrific it was.

I caught a clip on GMB where they mentioned the weak ass, make up for an earlier weak call "defensive holding on a FG attempt call".

When they mentioned it, someone said something to the effect of "yeah, it was a bad call, but the Raiders had other chances".

No ****! So did the Chiefs, despite the personal foul call.

Did that call have any more of an effect on the game than the bogus holding call?

Does a personal foul call have any more effect on the game than a bogus holding call? Or an OL who tackles a pass rusher that isn't called?

Does it have any more of an effect on the game than a bogus PI call? Or PI that isn't called?

Those calls/non-calls happen every week. And those calls have just as much an effect on a game.

But the personal foul calls that are created specifically for player safety are somehow more worthy of scrutiny and demand perfection.

Good luck with that.

[cookie G]

Jones had the ball in his other hand. How on earth do you expect him to not fall on Carr?

Did you not watch the roughing the passer call in the Atlanta game vs Tom Brady? It basically cost the Falcons a chance to complete their comeback, as it happened on 3rd down, and gave Tampa a first down, and basically the win.

The call last night was even worse. Carr had FUMBLED. He Jones had the ball in one hand. How is he supposed to not fall on Carr? Gimme a break. These calls need to be 100% reviewable (without a challenge) by either a league official at the game, or a league official in NY or wherever their HQ is.

I'm all for protecting the QB, but not if it determines the outcome of a game, when it's not even CLOSE to a penalty. Why not just make it 2 hand touch on the QB?

You are way off on this one Cookie, sorry.

And it is obvious that you don't understand the "all in the same motion" argument the NFL gave. He lost the ball as he was being sacked. He never became a runner.

In your logic, if a QB throws a pass as he is getting hit, there can be no RTP penalty because he no longer had the ball.


That isn't the way it works. Im not defending the call itself, but it isn't nearly as blatant of a miscue as people are making it out to be. Or screaming about rule changes. Or making it out to be infinitely worse than other blown calls or noncalls that equally affect the game.

[Forward_Lateral]

And it is obvious that you don't understand the "all in the same motion" argument the NFL gave. He lost the ball as he was being sacked. He never became a runner.

In your logic, if a QB throws a pass as he is getting hit, there can be no RTP penalty because he no longer had the ball.


That isn't the way it works. Im not defending the call itself, but it isn't nearly as blatant of a miscue as people are making it out to be. Or screaming about rule changes. Or making it out to be infinitely worse than other blown calls or noncalls that equally affect the game.

He tackled him. Took the ball away, and fell on him.

He didn't drive him into the ground, which is the rule. Falling on the guy is not against the rules, as long as you don't drive him into the ground, which is literally impossible to do with a football in your hand.

[notacon]

It was a BAD, BAD call. Just as BAD as the ‘let’s protect Tom Brady at all costs’ call.

Yeah, we all know that the NFL wants to protect QB’s. But these two calls were beyond the pale. BAD, BAD, BAD, BAD.

[Typ0]

No likey referee.

[DraftBoy]

Bad calls happen, it’s part of the game. Rarely does a game come down to a single moment anyways.

People expecting perfection are asking to be disappointed.

[Cntrygal]

Bad calls happen, it’s part of the game. Rarely does a game come down to a single moment anyways.

People expecting perfection are asking to be disappointed.

Consistency would be nice though. That way EVERY team will know what types of hits/holds will draw the flag - and which ones will be part of the game.

[DraftBoy]

Consistency would be nice though. That way EVERY team will know what types of hits/holds will draw the flag - and which ones will be part of the game.

It’s consistently unpredictable.

[Night Train]

Hockey reviews plays in the home office of Toronto. Horse racing has 3 people (stewards) vote yes or no on a race foul. Baseball stops games for reviews.

They wish to get it right.

Football could have officials monitoring the games in NY. 3 or more officials make a call on specific plays.

Right now, it's too arbitrary and wildly inconsistent.

[DraftBoy]

Hockey reviews plays in the home office of Toronto. Horse racing has 3 people (stewards) vote yes or no on a race foul. Baseball stops games for reviews.

They wish to get it right.

Football could have officials monitoring the games in NY. 3 or more officials make a call on specific plays.

Right now, it's too arbitrary and wildly inconsistent.

Not sure baseball or horse racing are the sports I’d be trying to compare football too.

[Crisis]

The officials get too in their feelings if they are questioned. Reviewable PI lasted only a season because officials would never reverse the call on the field out of principle. Something will happen because public opinion is high right now but it'll go back to normal after outrage dies down.

[Night Train]

NFL failed Tua during the Bills game and allowed Miami to let Tua play 4 days later and get knocked out. It's on them.

Then suddenly, the flags are flying over regular contact. Calls go way up the next week. That's league driven and the refs just wish to keep their jobs.