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    13 seconds, 40 yards. McDermott knows defense right?

    1st you should squib kick to kill 3 seconds.

    Next you double on Hill because they will get the ball to their fastest guy.

    They are just not prepared for that situation, period!

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    Re: 13 seconds, 40 yards. McDermott knows defense right?

    You just don't kick deep and it's over ................ force them to return the kick!!!!
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    Re: 13 seconds, 40 yards. McDermott knows defense right?

    You almost had to try and do it to give up a FG with 13 seconds left. McD did everything wrong after we took the lead. And don't blame the special teams coach. The HC has to go to him and tell him to squib kick it.

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    Re: 13 seconds, 40 yards. McDermott knows defense right?

    Only thing I'll say about squibbing it...say for whatever reason it's not a great kick...one of the up backs for the Chiefs could grab it and just kneel down immediately.

    Which then doesn't change the situation in any fashion.

    And, let us not forget the pooch kick for the music city miracle in a similar situation.

    Just squibbing it or pooching it doesn't guarantee a victory there.

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    Re: 13 seconds, 40 yards. McDermott knows defense right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Pink View Post
    Only thing I'll say about squibbing it...say for whatever reason it's not a great kick...one of the up backs for the Chiefs could grab it and just kneel down immediately.

    Which then doesn't change the situation in any fashion.

    And, let us not forget the pooch kick for the music city miracle in a similar situation.

    Just squibbing it or pooching it doesn't guarantee a victory there.


    I don't really even care about kicking it deep. Don't let a team move 45 yards in 9 seconds. That's what lost them the game.

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    Re: 13 seconds, 40 yards. McDermott knows defense right?

    What if we kicked off and they had a huge return to set them up for a field goal?

    Then everyone would be saying we should've kicked into the end-zone.

    At the end of the day this loss is 100% on the defense.

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    Re: 13 seconds, 40 yards. McDermott knows defense right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Klaista2k View Post
    What if we kicked off and they had a huge return to set them up for a field goal?

    Then everyone would be saying we should've kicked into the end-zone.

    At the end of the day this loss is 100% on the defense.
    I'd rather the ball be in the hands of the returner anyday, over putting the ball in the hands of Mahomes.

    We gave Mahomes the ball at the 25 with taking a second of the clock. Just gave it to him...

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    Re: 13 seconds, 40 yards. McDermott knows defense right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Klaista2k View Post
    What if we kicked off and they had a huge return to set them up for a field goal?

    Then everyone would be saying we should've kicked into the end-zone.

    At the end of the day this loss is 100% on the defense.
    The thing is if they got that much of a return they better end up in field goal range because they don't have time to run a play then kick a field goal. Kicking it deep was not the right play.

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    Re: 13 seconds, 40 yards. McDermott knows defense right?

    I thought about big return possibility. But weighing what your defense is doing vs special teams at the time, I'd go with the special team approach. The key is to limit their play to 2 from their 25 - 30 yard ​line.

    Then on defense, They should just put 3 or even 2 DT/DE to make sure Mahomes does not run straight without any resistance - note I didn't say rush, more of a contain. Now you have 8 or 9 defenders in the back, double the main targets. You know Mahomes HAVE to get the ball out quick. No need to guard the sideline.

    McDermott and Co. pride themselves as detail - oriented staff. This one is completely on him and the coaching staff. The D was gassed, the Chiefs D was too. But what you are looking for defending the last couple of plays is not difficult if you have team prepared and they know what to do. Judging from what I saw last night, they were not much better than What Dallas showed in the last few seconds.

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    Re: 13 seconds, 40 yards. McDermott knows defense right?

    Quote Originally Posted by ghz in pittsburgh View Post

    Then on defense, They should just put 3 or even 2 DT/DE to make sure Mahomes does not run straight without any resistance - note I didn't say rush, more of a contain. Now you have 8 or 9 defenders in the back, double the main targets. You know Mahomes HAVE to get the ball out quick. No need to guard the sideline.

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    Re: 13 seconds, 40 yards. McDermott knows defense right?

    That was the time to blitz Mahomes, maybe sack him, or make him run around and not be able to survey the field. Instead Frazier stood there with that frozen look on his face and ****ed up.
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    Re: 13 seconds, 40 yards. McDermott knows defense right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Pink View Post
    Only thing I'll say about squibbing it...say for whatever reason it's not a great kick...one of the up backs for the Chiefs could grab it and just kneel down immediately.

    Which then doesn't change the situation in any fashion.

    And, let us not forget the pooch kick for the music city miracle in a similar situation.

    Just squibbing it or pooching it doesn't guarantee a victory there.
    I agree on a true “squib” kick.

    What they should have done is kick high, and designed to come down at around the 5 or 10 yard line. Force the returner to field the ball....and if he kneels does to save time, they are stuck back inside the 10.

    If they decide to run it out, it could have run 4, maybe 5 seconds off the clock. The high kick and the Bills very good special teams could have made sure that the return would have the Chiefs at the 20...maybe the 25....but with time for only ONE play, not two.

    And then when the Chiefs did have the ball with 13 seconds (could have been only 7 or 8) going into a prevent shell was moronic. The Chiefs saw what they were going to do....Kelsey and Hill knew they were not going to be impeded at the line at all (and they weren’t).....and the Bills basically let them run free underneath a deep zone.

    Terrible, terrible coaching.

    This game should have never gone into OT.

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    Re: 13 seconds, 40 yards. McDermott knows defense right?

    Squib kick would've been pointless, as they would've just knelt down, probably at the 25 or maybe even closer, running no time off. Notacon is right, the kick should've been just short of the goal line, forcing them to run it, which would've burned enough time to leave Mahomes only time for 1 pass, not 2 plus a FG.

    That being said, they still ran a stupid defense with 13 seconds left

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    Re: 13 seconds, 40 yards. McDermott knows defense right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Pink View Post
    Only thing I'll say about squibbing it...say for whatever reason it's not a great kick...one of the up backs for the Chiefs could grab it and just kneel down immediately.

    Which then doesn't change the situation in any fashion.

    And, let us not forget the pooch kick for the music city miracle in a similar situation.

    Just squibbing it or pooching it doesn't guarantee a victory there.
    Kickoffs are unpredictable, weird stuff happens. With 13 seconds left I think it's defensible to put your defense on the field in the more controlled environment of a regular play. In theory it's a more predictable situation, and with 13 seconds probably seemed safer. I personally, with the benefit of hindsight, wished they squibbed it. But that decision was not the part that bothered me from a coaching perspective. It was what came after.
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    Re: 13 seconds, 40 yards. McDermott knows defense right?

    Quote Originally Posted by notacon View Post
    I agree on a true “squib” kick.

    What they should have done is kick high, and designed to come down at around the 5 or 10 yard line. Force the returner to field the ball....and if he kneels does to save time, they are stuck back inside the 10.

    If they decide to run it out, it could have run 4, maybe 5 seconds off the clock. The high kick and the Bills very good special teams could have made sure that the return would have the Chiefs at the 20...maybe the 25....but with time for only ONE play, not two.
    McDermott was mumbling about execution in the presser afterwards. I wonder if Bass was supposed to kick it high, to the 5, and just put too much leg into it.

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    Re: 13 seconds, 40 yards. McDermott knows defense right?

    Quote Originally Posted by ghz in pittsburgh View Post
    1st you should squib kick to kill 3 seconds.

    Next you double on Hill because they will get the ball to their fastest guy.

    They are just not prepared for that situation, period!

    Squib probably would've taken off at least 5.

    Plus, had they even illegally held the top receivers, that's a five-yard penalty and time off the clock.
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    Re: 13 seconds, 40 yards. McDermott knows defense right?

    Wide Right. MCM. 13-Seconds. They could all be horror movies.

    Let's watch highschoolers execute a proper squib.



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    Re: 13 seconds, 40 yards. McDermott knows defense right?

    Onside kick

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    Re: 13 seconds, 40 yards. McDermott knows defense right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Forward_Lateral View Post
    Squib kick would've been pointless, as they would've just knelt down, probably at the 25 or maybe even closer, running no time off. Notacon is right, the kick should've been just short of the goal line, forcing them to run it, which would've burned enough time to leave Mahomes only time for 1 pass, not 2 plus a FG.

    That being said, they still ran a stupid defense with 13 seconds left
    Problem with that is, the Chiefs guy could just let it go and it could go out of bounds or into the endzone anyway.

    You'd have to aim the high kick for around the 20 in hopes of just making them have to go 5 more yards.

    And to be honest, with what they did, 5 yards wouldn't have made a difference...with that kick on the field goal even 10 wouldn't have.

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    Re: 13 seconds, 40 yards. McDermott knows defense right?

    McDermott wouldn’t say anything other than execution and “it’s on me” tells me he was frustrated with Frazier and what he communicated to the defense in the last 13 seconds…

    There’s going to be changes in some form. Maybe McDermott pays more attention to defensive play calling going forward.

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