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    Re: Jordan Poyer looking for a contract extension in Buffalo

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Poyer isn't good anymore, or he should be cut, etc. But, is he worth another contract? Safeties tend to fall off right around Poyer's age. He's not stupid, he knows he has a very small window to cash in a final big pay day. If I'm Beane, I tell Poyer he has two choices: play out your current contract, and go from there, or retire. Unless Poyer is willing to sign a team friendly deal (I doubt it), he can play through next year and test the market.

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    Re: Jordan Poyer looking for a contract extension in Buffalo

    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman View Post
    He should play out his current contract IMO and then it's up to the Bills and the rest of the league if he's earned the increase he seeks. If he doesn't just sit it out 1st ..... which would be insane of course.
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    Re: Jordan Poyer looking for a contract extension in Buffalo

    Quote Originally Posted by DraftBoy View Post
    Fine.
    Same but the question was directed to the Edmund apologist.

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    Re: Jordan Poyer looking for a contract extension in Buffalo

    Look. It seems clear the Bills have to find a way to get this one last year out of Poyer, then he goes. He's clearly good, but he has drawn a bright line at where these star players (if you call him that) are going to be able to renegotiate for more money. He's going to land on the wrong side of that line, so the Bills will replace him after this season. The team will say lots of nice things about him, get him into camp, make him play this year, then let him go.

    I understand his request, but I can't see how the Bills can afford it. At least this season. And, as FL pointed out, he's getting to that age where his skills level off (speed). It's disappointing because we all like the guy. But time moves on.
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    Re: Jordan Poyer looking for a contract extension in Buffalo

    Poyer isn't worth big money.

    He was a nice piece to help us get to where we are now but we need to develop someone behind him to take over or draft someone in 2023 or even go into FA and bring in a vet who wants a chance at a ring at a discounted price to take over as he takes his talents and big money contract elsewhere.

    We all saw what the Patriots did with what many around the league thought were star players, we need and will do the same thing.

    Honestly I'm kind of surprised we gave a Diggs a big money contract.

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    Re: Jordan Poyer looking for a contract extension in Buffalo

    I don't know what to debate about and don't quite understand the argument to make Poyer "happy" by giving him more money. He signed his 2 year extension a year ago and is not really that under-paid by any measure. What does making him "happy" mean? For better performance this year? I have not heard any player not having the ultimate motivation to have his best year when he is on the last year of contract.

    From Poyer's perspective, having a great year 2022 means he WILL get paid by someone for that last pay day. Unless ... he knows that he's not likely to top or repeat his 2021 year performance (Poyer is a 10 year NFL vet; he should know what he can or cannot do at this point). Therefore he's pushing for extension now (from Bills or anyone who might want to trade for him), leveraging his strong 2021 season.

    From the Bills perspective, there is absolutely no motive to do so despite the local media calling for it (because Poyer is nice guy, media friendly). I mention the main reason in the first paragraph. Then there are cap reasons (next year Josh's number jumps, someone else has to take a back seat). There are replacement reasons, Jaquan Johnson is ready and I really like the Hamlin guy they drafted last year.

    Both Poyer and Hyde are getting long on the tooth and cap. The Bills probably want to replace them one at a time, not both at the same time. I would argue one of the Hamlin and Johnson can step in this year in the starter role if needs to. And frankly, this is the business side we'll see more of down the road for the Bills. I can see it happening to Milano, White, Dawkins in a few years.

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    Re: Jordan Poyer looking for a contract extension in Buffalo

    Quote Originally Posted by ghz in pittsburgh View Post

    Both Poyer and Hyde are getting long on the tooth and cap. The Bills probably want to replace them one at a time, not both at the same time. I would argue one of the Hamlin and Johnson can step in this year in the starter role if needs to. And frankly, this is the business side we'll see more of down the road for the Bills. I can see it happening to Milano, White, Dawkins in a few years.
    I think this hits the nail right on the head.

    Both Poyer and Hyde will/need to be replaced by cheaper options thanks to the cap but it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to replace both, the entire position group, at the same time. Also, the other guys you list are basically replaceable parts who just get cycled through as your longer window for being a Super Bowl caliber window is open thanks to having that franchise QB.

    Because of the cap, a guy like Taiwan Jones is much more likely to have a lengthy Bills career than a guy like Tre White. Even though obviously White is the better player who has more of an impact but Jones is cheap and dependable in special teams play.

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    Re: Jordan Poyer looking for a contract extension in Buffalo

    It seems to me that he got bad advice from his agent. Don't get me wrong- it worked out well for the team. We've been underpaying him for a while now, which means more cap space to pay other guys.

    But, now other guys have gotten paid and there's no cap left. And he's on the wrong side of 30. He really should have been looking for a contract a couple of years ago. Unfortunately for him, it seems like he was trying to be a team player, which is what we always want from these guys, but it may have cost him a lot of money. Someone should probably give him a front-loaded contract, with the out years having a low base with a lot of incentives. It probably won't be us because we don't have the cap space.

    For this season, it looks like he's stuck being underpaid. The good news is that he's playing for his next contract, so he'll be motivated even if he's unhappy with his current contract.

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    Re: Jordan Poyer looking for a contract extension in Buffalo

    Quote Originally Posted by OpIv37 View Post
    For this season, it looks like he's stuck being underpaid. The good news is that he's playing for his next contract, so he'll be motivated even if he's unhappy with his current contract.
    Underpaid? by who?

    My friend who's in sports agent business told me Beane has a reputation being fair to players. Poyer, drafted in the 7th by the Eagles, did diddly squat in all his rookie contract years, bounced around teams. McDermott signed him to almost 4 million a year contract for the next 4 years and he flourished in McDermott system. Those are his prove-it years. Then he got paid the next 2 years around top 12, 13 players at safety position. It is fair.

    Neither Poyer nor Hyde really stands out individually as one of the top safeties in the league, But together, they are one of the top 5 tandems. That speaks more of the system than individual players.

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    Re: Jordan Poyer looking for a contract extension in Buffalo

    Quote Originally Posted by ghz in pittsburgh View Post
    Underpaid? by who?

    My friend who's in sports agent business told me Beane has a reputation being fair to players. Poyer, drafted in the 7th by the Eagles, did diddly squat in all his rookie contract years, bounced around teams. McDermott signed him to almost 4 million a year contract for the next 4 years and he flourished in McDermott system. Those are his prove-it years. Then he got paid the next 2 years around top 12, 13 players at safety position. It is fair.

    Neither Poyer nor Hyde really stands out individually as one of the top safeties in the league, But together, they are one of the top 5 tandems. That speaks more of the system than individual players.
    I think I read in the Atlantic that he's the 24th highest paid safety in the NFL. Do you really think there are 23 safeties in the NFL better than him? I don't.

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    There are different measures by 24th. In terms of average per year, he's up there.
    Player Team Age Total
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    Jamal Adams Seahawks 27 $70,000,000 $17,500,000 $38,000,000 $21,000,000 2026 UFA
    Harrison Smith Vikings 33 $64,000,000 $16,000,000 $26,379,412 $14,179,412 2026 UFA
    Justin Simmons Broncos 29 $61,000,000 $15,250,000 $35,000,000 $32,100,000 2025 UFA
    Budda Baker Cardinals 26 $59,000,000 $14,750,000 $33,100,000 $22,100,000 2025 UFA
    Eddie Jackson Bears 29 $58,400,000 $14,600,000 $33,000,000 $22,000,000 2025 Void
    Kevin Byard Titans 29 $70,500,000 $14,100,000 $30,825,000 $19,625,000 2025 Void
    Marcus Williams Ravens 26 $70,000,000 $14,000,000 $37,000,000 $17,080,000 2027 UFA
    Quandre Diggs Seahawks 29 $39,000,000 $13,000,000 $26,980,000 $13,490,000 2025 UFA
    Jessie Bates III Bengals 25 $12,911,000 $12,911,000 $0 $0 2023 UFA
    John Johnson Browns 27 $33,750,000 $11,250,000 $24,000,000 $20,000,000 2024 Void
    Justin Reid Chiefs 25 $31,500,000 $10,500,000 $20,485,000 $20,485,000 2025 UFA
    Jordan Poyer Bills 31 $19,500,000 $9,750,000 $13,300,000 $8,525,000 2023 UFA
    Micah Hyde Bills 32 $19,250,000 $9,625,000 $13,300,000 $9,600,000 2024 Void

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    Re: Jordan Poyer looking for a contract extension in Buffalo

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    How are you going to feel about Beane if next year that list says did not re-sign Tremaine Edmunds?
    I trust Beane to do what is best for the team. If he believes itís in the best interest of the team to let Edmunds walk....Iím 100% fine with that. BEANE is the guy running the personal of the Bills and he has done an extremely good job.

    My premise has ALWAYS been that the NFL experts, and ESPECIALLY the Bills GM and coaches do not agree with the crap that the haters heap on Edmunds. They LOVE him.

    The MUCH BIGGER question is, how are you (and the haters) going to feel about Beane if before Edmunds contract runs out, he decides to EXTEND him for 5 or more years between $13M & $15M (and maybe more)???


    I know EXACTLY what the haters are going to say.

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    Re: Jordan Poyer looking for a contract extension in Buffalo

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Pink View Post

    Honestly I'm kind of surprised we gave a Diggs a big money contract.

    He could be the last.

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    Re: Jordan Poyer looking for a contract extension in Buffalo

    https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...tory-minicamp/

    Jordan Poyer will attend Bills mandatory minicamp


    Last week, Bills General Manager Brandon Beane said he had not received any indication that Jordan Poyer would skip mandatory minicamp as the safety looks to receive a new contract.

    That has now been backed up by a report from ESPNís Adam Schefter, who said Monday that Poyer will attend minicamp over the next few days.

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    Re: Jordan Poyer looking for a contract extension in Buffalo

    Poyer a full participant at Bills Mini Camp.

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    Re: Jordan Poyer looking for a contract extension in Buffalo

    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman View Post
    https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...tory-minicamp/

    Jordan Poyer will attend Bills mandatory minicamp

    Last week, Bills General Manager Brandon Beane said he had not received any indication that Jordan Poyer would skip mandatory minicamp as the safety looks to receive a new contract.

    That has now been backed up by a report from ESPNís Adam Schefter, who said Monday that Poyer will attend minicamp over the next few days.

    He made the correct decision.

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    Re: Jordan Poyer looking for a contract extension in Buffalo

    The big contracts coming off the book for the Bills are Poyer (2023), Hyde (2024), Milano (2025), Morse (2025), Dawkins (2025), White (2026).

    The guys in-line for extensions are Knox (2023), Edmunds (2023), Oliver (2024), Davis (2024). I'm assuming Singletary is a goner, but if he takes another step like last year, well ...

    Someone has to be let go is my guess.

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    Re: Jordan Poyer looking for a contract extension in Buffalo

    Quote Originally Posted by ghz in pittsburgh View Post
    The big contracts coming off the book for the Bills are Poyer (2023), Hyde (2024), Milano (2025), Morse (2025), Dawkins (2025), White (2026).

    The guys in-line for extensions are Knox (2023), Edmunds (2023), Oliver (2024), Davis (2024). I'm assuming Singletary is a goner, but if he takes another step like last year, well ...

    Someone has to be let go is my guess.
    I think Morse is way overpaid and I would trade him for value if possible and to free up cap space.
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    Re: Jordan Poyer looking for a contract extension in Buffalo

    Poyer is coming back for the run for glory and the Bills need him to in this particular defense. I still think it works out fine. Don't know what happens next year, don't care, deal with it as it comes, if they come up short this year, they have other issues than Poyer.

    Never been a fan of all in on one year, but I can deal with it if it's The Year at this point of my life.

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    Re: Jordan Poyer looking for a contract extension in Buffalo

    https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffa...f-himself.html

    Jordan Poyer says this young Buffalo Bills DB reminds him of himself


    While the Bills have plenty of proven talent at cornerback and safety, the team also has many young defensive backs who will be battling for one or two roster spots this summer much like Poyer did years ago in his early NFL days.

    One of those young players, Nick McCloud, reminds Poyer of himself.

    In a podcast appearance on Inside the Garage, Poyer praised McCloud to hosts Kyle Hamilton, Cam Hart, KJ Wallace and Conor Ratigan--all Notre Dame alumni.

    “Really good dude. Hard worker, man,” Poyer told the Inside the Garage hosts who all played with McCloud at Notre Dame. “I always tell him he always reminds me of myself. Just a guy maybe who’s been overlooked.

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