ESPN’s Football Power Index Projections for 2022....Bills #1

[notacon]

I don't know. The point should be the mind set of knee jerk "reaction". Your knees can't help themselves.

Why also, does a so called "Bills Fan" need be incapable of critical thought ? That's not a fan, it's a mindless drone that let's other shape his opinions because it's easier than thinking. It's not hard to be a fan, and see issues anyway, to enjoy the puff pieces, but harbor concerns. The world is not black and white, it has shades of gray you necessarily have to navigate. I see other people navigate them, your knees just bounce into needing to insult people.

Get a grip. It's a message board where people will have opinions you don't agree with. They're entitled to them.

I have no issue with “critical thought”.


The kind of knee jerk (yes, that’s a thing that has nothing to do with knees and is defined as “a response that is automatic and unthinking") that we see from some posters whenever any opinion is presented from any sports writer or professional NFL analyst, especially whenever that opinion is positive towards the Bills....does not look much like “critical thought”.

I liken it to those of a particular political persuasion that reacts similarly concerning Covid issues whenever an expert like Dr Fauci says something that does not mesh with their own...uh....thoughts....on the subject.

So....in this particular thread (like so many others) ESPN has put together an analysis based on measurable criteria and data inputs that is specifically designed to be as objective as humanly possible.

The results from that analysis is very positive for the projection of the upcoming NFL season for the Buffalo Bills.

The reaction from some????....the, yes, knee jerk....”Completely Meaningless”, it’s just a “popularity thing”....just an “opinion”....blah, blah, blah. Which reflects some Bills “fans” reaction....that the Bills are not as good as the professional experts say?!?!? Uhhhh...without any reason WHY???

If any poster here wants to say that the Bills are not as good as it seems to every objective professional NFL analyst (who is specially NOT trying to think like a “fan”) then tell us WHY you disagree.

And on a supposed Bills “fan” forum, I expect more than a knee jerk NEGATIVE reaction literally anytime a positive analysis is presented concerning the Bills.

Sure, everyone is entitled to their own opinion (as are the professional NFL experts) just like I, or anyone else is entitled to challenge the cynics that supposedly are Bills fans.

Sometimes this place feels more like a New England Patriots forum than a Buffalo Bills one.


And yes, people do not agree with MY opinions and they VOCIFEROUSLY and sometimes VICIOUSLY object to them....And I, like everyone else, has the right and are entitled to defend my opinion and those of the experts that I value.

What is your beef, and why do I have to “get a grip”?!?!?!? Looks a lot like a double standard to me.

[sukie]

Number 1 or one of the best?

[swiper]

More meaningless notacon diatribe.

[swiper]

What is your beef, and why do I have to “get a grip”?!?!?!? Looks a lot like a double standard to me.

Because your opinions are wrong and ridiculous and you are unwilling to even consider others opinions even when the whole entire board is clearly against you. Your football acumen is zero.

[OpIv37]

I have no issue with “critical thought”.


The kind of knee jerk (yes, that’s a thing that has nothing to do with knees and is defined as “a response that is automatic and unthinking") that we see from some posters whenever any opinion is presented from any sports writer or professional NFL analyst, especially whenever that opinion is positive towards the Bills....does not look much like “critical thought”.

I liken it to those of a particular political persuasion that reacts similarly concerning Covid issues whenever an expert like Dr Fauci says something that does not mesh with their own...uh....thoughts....on the subject.

So....in this particular thread (like so many others) ESPN has put together an analysis based on measurable criteria and data inputs that is specifically designed to be as objective as humanly possible.

The results from that analysis is very positive for the projection of the upcoming NFL season for the Buffalo Bills.

The reaction from some????....the, yes, knee jerk....”Completely Meaningless”, it’s just a “popularity thing”....just an “opinion”....blah, blah, blah. Which reflects some Bills “fans” reaction....that the Bills are not as good as the professional experts say?!?!? Uhhhh...without any reason WHY???

If any poster here wants to say that the Bills are not as good as it seems to every objective professional NFL analyst (who is specially NOT trying to think like a “fan”) then tell us WHY you disagree.

And on a supposed Bills “fan” forum, I expect more than a knee jerk NEGATIVE reaction literally anytime a positive analysis is presented concerning the Bills.

Sure, everyone is entitled to their own opinion (as are the professional NFL experts) just like I, or anyone else is entitled to challenge the cynics that supposedly are Bills fans.

Sometimes this place feels more like a New England Patriots forum than a Buffalo Bills one.


And yes, people do not agree with MY opinions and they VOCIFEROUSLY and sometimes VICIOUSLY object to them....And I, like everyone else, has the right and are entitled to defend my opinion and those of the experts that I value.

What is your beef, and why do I have to “get a grip”?!?!?!? Looks a lot like a double standard to me.

You're missing a key point here: I said power rankings were bull**** when we were bad and people complained that we should be 23rd and they had us ranked 27. I'm still saying they're bull**** now that we're ranked #1. I'd say they're bull**** if they had us ranked 32. Positive or negative doesn't matter. This isn't college ball. Rankings don't matter.

[notacon]

Because your opinions are wrong and ridiculous and you are unwilling to even consider others opinions even when the whole entire board is clearly against you. Your football acumen is zero.

Actually, you are describing the majority of posters here (and ESPECIALLY YOURSELF) when you write "you are unwilling to even consider others opinions”. And that is 100% FALSE when it comes to me. I DO, in fact, “consider others opinions”....and when I find them lacking and I disagree with them...I say so....just like EVERY OTHER POSTER....including YOU!!!


And when I agree with other opinions.....I SAY SO THEN TOO!!!!! All the ****ing time.

And you illustrate that shortcoming of “unwilling to even consider others opinions” ALL THE TIME when directed at me.....(with hyper hypocrisy) when you write "your opinions are wrong and ridiculous”....Jesus....that plainly shows a TOTAL lack of self awareness on your part and your extreme aggressive and vicious attack persona that permeates most of your meaningless angry and vitriolic posts.

It’s irrelevant if the "whole entire board is clearly against you”....as you are referring to Tremaine Edmunds, where the whole point of my premise and defending him has NOTHING to do with MY opinion on him....it’s about comparing the “whole board” and a portion of Bills “fans” vs THE WHOLE EXPERT NFL WORLD.

ALL OF IT.

The “whole board” (which is rather presumptuous....I suspect that a healthy portion of “the board” agrees with me concerning Edmunds but do not necessarily post about it for fear of being BULLIED by posters like YOU) is illustrating (when it comes to Edmunds) of "football acumen is zero” as compared to the NFL experts that have IMMENSE amount of “football acumen” TOTALLY and 100% DISAGREE with “the whole board’s” opinion on Edmunds.


And in this thread. my offense, is that I celebrate and enjoy expert opinion on the perception of the Buffalo Bills being such a great TEAM with expectations of Super Bowl success this year.

Well...SHAME ON ME for supporting MY TEAM....and shame on me for DEFENDING MY TEAM from the cynics and cranks that would rather **** on the Bills than enjoy their SUCESS.

Success that we have not enjoyed on OVER TWO ****ING DEADES!!!!!

I guess you see the Bills as not worthy of the universal praise from ALL the NFL experts in sports media.

That’s YOUR problem, not mine.

[sukie]

Your edmunds info is outdated.

let’s see what your “experts” say after the 2021 season.

them you can form your opinion strictly after them.

[notacon]

You're missing a key point here: I said power rankings were bull**** when we were bad and people complained that we should be 23rd and they had us ranked 27. I'm still saying they're bull**** now that we're ranked #1. I'd say they're bull**** if they had us ranked 32. Positive or negative doesn't matter. This isn't college ball. Rankings don't matter.

YOU are missing the point.

I DID NOT SAY the ranking were bull**** when they ranked the Bills at #23 or #27, because they were SPOT ON!!!!

And I support and defend the rankings (especially this one from ESPN which is based on a credible and measurable set of criteria) when they almost universally say the Bills are #1.

Because they are SPOT ON!!!!

You want to argue that the Bills are not that good (as you have been doing for years) that’s YOUR problem, not mine.

And OF COURSE these ranking MATTER. Jesus, that’s ALL the NFL fan base DOES is rank teams...players....offenses....defenses....TD....yards....yards per play....yards after catch....etc....etc....etc....sports fans LOVE to rank just about EVERYTHING within the sports that they enjoy.


And then ARGUE about them ALL. THAT’S THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF BOARDS LIKE THIS ONE.

That’s the whole concept behind STATS. We count ****ing EVERYTHING!!!!! And now with RFID chips installed on game balls and EVERY SINGLE PLAYER, it provides even MORE stats which result in MORE rankings....and then argue about what the stats actually mean.

Sorry Opi....rankings mean EVERYTHING.

[notacon]

Your edmunds info is outdated.

let’s see what your “experts” say after the 2021 season.

them you can form your opinion strictly after them.

Nonsense. Edmunds was voted first alternate for the Pro Bowl. He got one vote (the same as Milano) for All-Pro. Only 15 LB got any votes for All Pro.

And when ANY rankings of LB’s come out....I’ll publish it here no mater what it says.

But, of course, your whole premise is not accurate in that my premise has been, and always has been, that the confused negative Edmunds haters here have got it 100% WRONG when they say that Edmunds is a “bust”...the “worst LB in the NFL”....a “liability”....etc...etc...etc...

And NO ONE has EVER produced ANY SEMBLANCE of ANY opinion from ANY “experts” that says ANYTHING CLOSE TO THAT CRAP!!!!

I’ve begged from the haters for any example for over year. I’ve searched and searched for anything like that for over a year.

[OpIv37]

YOU are missing the point.

I DID NOT SAY the ranking were bull**** when they ranked the Bills at #23 or #27, because they were SPOT ON!!!!

And I support and defend the rankings (especially this one from ESPN which is based on a credible and measurable set of criteria) when they almost universally say the Bills are #1.

Because they are SPOT ON!!!!

You want to argue that the Bills are not that good (as you have been doing for years) that’s YOUR problem, not mine.

And OF COURSE these ranking MATTER. Jesus, that’s ALL the NFL fan base DOES is rank teams...players....offenses....defenses....TD....yards....yards per play....yards after catch....etc....etc....etc....sports fans LOVE to rank just about EVERYTHING within the sports that they enjoy.


And then ARGUE about them ALL. THAT’S THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF BOARDS LIKE THIS ONE.

That’s the whole concept behind STATS. We count ****ing EVERYTHING!!!!! And now with RFID chips installed on game balls and EVERY SINGLE PLAYER, it provides even MORE stats which result in MORE rankings....and then argue about what the stats actually mean.

Sorry Opi....rankings mean EVERYTHING.

Except all those things are ACTUAL NUMBERS that ACTUALLY OCCURRED during games. Power rankings are just a guess.

[notacon]

Except all those things are ACTUAL NUMBERS that ACTUALLY OCCURRED during games. Power rankings are just a guess.

Nope. and especially not this one.

It’s BASED on "ACTUAL NUMBERS that ACTUALLY OCCURRED during games” which is calculated for projected future success.

And NO, the " ACTUAL NUMBERS that ACTUALLY OCCURRED during games” are NOT definitive in ANY sense of that word.


That’s what we (and millions of other football fans) do ALL THE TIME....parse the "ACTUAL NUMBERS that ACTUALLY OCCURRED during games” and use them to form and express an “opinion” which are ALL just “a guess”....or an expression of our own opinion.

YOU do that ALL THE TIME!!!!! When you question a won-loss record. YOU “guess” on how much ANY particular WIN (or loss) is WORTH.....and you underplay the wins (if they do not suit your opinion) and overplay the importance of some losses (if they do not suit your opinion).

[Cali512]

Nonsense. Edmunds was voted first alternate for the Pro Bowl. He got one vote (the same as Milano) for All-Pro. Only 15 LB got any votes for All Pro.

And when ANY rankings of LB�s come out....I�ll publish it here no mater what it says.

But, of course, your whole premise is not accurate in that my premise has been, and always has been, that the confused negative Edmunds haters here have got it 100% WRONG when they say that Edmunds is a �bust�...the �worst LB in the NFL�....a �liability�....etc...etc...etc...

And NO ONE has EVER produced ANY SEMBLANCE of ANY opinion from ANY �experts� that says ANYTHING CLOSE TO THAT CRAP!!!!

I�ve begged from the haters for any example for over year. I�ve searched and searched for anything like that for over a year.

The fact that Edmunds got votes should make you lose credibility for the pro bowl or anonymous rankings. In every stat and metric which isn�t something to debate, tackles/tkfl/big plays/missed tackles/completion percentage/ypa he�s one of the worst LBs in the nfl. There is no stat or film that proves otherwise, if there was, I�m assuming your not dumb enough to not show us it.



That�s actually a better strategy. Notty, if there was one video, one stat, that defended your opinion on edmunds, you would be an absolute idiot to not use it. Yet you�ve provided us with no stats or videos. Doesn�t that say something?

[Cali512]

Why the **** is my punctuation coming out like this, **** man

[Skooby]

Completely meaningless.

It's better than being ranked last & we got a lot of prime games for a reason.

[swiper]

It's better than being ranked last & we got a lot of prime games for a reason.

No skooby snacks for you. The team did that. This ranking didn't. Try to follow along. We know it can be hard for you.

[swiper]

Your edmunds info is outdated.

let’s see what your “experts” say after the 2021 season.

them you can form your opinion strictly after them.

It's sadly outdated. But we all know how he operates. He is blind to opinion that doesn't agree with him. He has ALWAYS been that way. And it's what makes him such a huge joke.

[notacon]

The fact that Edmunds got votes should make you lose credibility for the pro bowl or anonymous rankings. In every stat and metric which isn�t something to debate, tackles/tkfl/big plays/missed tackles/completion percentage/ypa he�s one of the worst LBs in the nfl. There is no stat or film that proves otherwise, if there was, I�m assuming your not dumb enough to not show us it.



That�s actually a better strategy. Notty, if there was one video, one stat, that defended your opinion on edmunds, you would be an absolute idiot to not use it. Yet you�ve provided us with no stats or videos. Doesn�t that say something?

Typical baloney from a dedicated Edmunds hater. Sorry, your credibility when it comes to Edmunds is ZERO!!!!


And I HAVE presented many, many, many times more than "video, one stat, that defended your opinion on edmunds,”....over and over and over again. And not only from me but from NFL experts after NFL expert after NFL expert. Time and time again.

You being so closed minded about Edmunds simply refuse to even acknowledge the (probably) over 100 posts (probably in the multi-hundreds) that have done exactly that.


What YOU and ALL the Edmunds haters have 100% FAILED TO DO, is present ONE credible NFL expert that supports the crap heaped on Edmunds that he is a “bust”, the "worst LB in the NFL”....etc....etc....etc...

PUT UP OR STFU!!!!

[notacon]

It's sadly outdated. But we all know how he operates. He is blind to opinion that doesn't agree with him. He has ALWAYS been that way. And it's what makes him such a huge joke.

More bullcrap from the poster that writes some of the most vicious toxic posts here.

In any event, just yesterday I received a periodic email from the Edmunds haters favor source, PFF.....because their deeply flawed grading system has a relatively low grade of Edmunds (that STILL does not support the insane idea that he is a “bust”....the “worst LB in the NFL”....etc...etc....) but does grade Tre’ White almost as low as Edmunds....but the haters conveniently ignore that).

There is an obvious disconnect to PFF’s deeply flawed grading system and their ranking. They also grade Trevon Diggs as literally one of the worst CB in the NFL, but, here, they rank him as one of the Top 25 young players in the NFL.


I got this email from PFF yesterday with a link to this story and ranking....

Ranking the top 25 players under 25 entering the 2022 NFL season: Nick Bosa, Justin Herbert, Tristan Wirfs and more


Here is how they described the ranking....

If there’s one thing we know, it’s that football fans love talking about two things: young players who are good and numerical lists. Accordingly, one yearly offseason tradition we have here at PFF is showing some love to the top young players in the NFL in the form of a top 25 players under 25 years of age.

The cut-off for this list is that the players need to still be under 25 years old when the season begins. That means A.J. Brown and Kyler Murray, among others, are out. This list is not in order of who you’d take in a re-draft, and though positional value does factor into the ranking some due to role requirements, it’s not the main component. This is more of an overall talent recognition and accomplishment list.

So have it. These are the top 25 players under the age of 25 for the 2022 season.

Edmunds did not make the “top 25”....but he DID make this distinction....

Honorable mentions who just missed out: Jevon Holland, Trey Smith, Tremaine Edmunds, Michael Onwenu, Jeremy Chinn, Penei Sewell, Josh Jacobs, David Montgomery, Darnell Mooney

The way it is worded, and obviously a list of the that “just missed out”, not being in alpha order, it looks like a ranking past #25.

Which means they rank Tremaine Edmunds as the TWENTY EIGHTH TOP YOUNG PLAYERS under the age of 25.

And at the very least, PFF has Edmunds ranked within the TOP THIRTY FOUR YOUNG PLAYERS IN THE NFL.

And this is a ranking of ALL players, in EVERY POSITION!!!!!


In FACT, they list ONLY THREE LB’s.....so that means that in PFF’s opinion, Tremaine Edmunds is one of the TOP THREE YOUNG LB’S IN THE NFL!!!!

This is NOT “out of date”, and DOES NOT come from a source that has been kind to Edmunds in the past.


And it absolutely, and directly destroys the bullcrap coming from the haters that Edmunds is a “bust”, “the worst LB int he NFL”, a “liability”, “the weakest player on the Bills” and all the other LUNATIC rantings from the deeply ill informed and biased Edmunds haters.


Sorry, swiper, the posters that are "blind to opinion that doesn't agree with him. He has ALWAYS been that way. And it's what makes [them] such a huge joke” are the EDMUNDS HATERS (including YOU), not me.

[Cali512]

Typical baloney from a dedicated Edmunds hater. Sorry, your credibility when it comes to Edmunds is ZERO!!!!


And I HAVE presented many, many, many times more than "video, one stat, that defended your opinion on edmunds,”....over and over and over again. And not only from me but from NFL experts after NFL expert after NFL expert. Time and time again.

You being so closed minded about Edmunds simply refuse to even acknowledge the (probably) over 100 posts (probably in the multi-hundreds) that have done exactly that.


What YOU and ALL the Edmunds haters have 100% FAILED TO DO, is present ONE credible NFL expert that supports the crap heaped on Edmunds that he is a “bust”, the "worst LB in the NFL”....etc....etc....etc...

PUT UP OR STFU!!!!

If there was a single video or stat out there that showed Edmunds being a good to great LB, you would be an absolute idiot to not provide us with it. So the fact that you havent, proves to me that it is just not out there



notty, if there was any stat/video on the internet that proved Edmunds is a good LB, YOU WOULD BE AN ABSOLUTE IDIOT for not providing us with it. It has been 2 years and I have seen you post nothing.


The best way to describe you is like a ghost “expert”. You have no real proof of the ghost, you cant provide hard data on the ghost, but you believe in the ghost because of so called “ghost experts”



there are hundreds of stats and videos that prove to us that Fred Werner/Bobby Wagner/Lavonte David are great LBs. its not hard to find, you shouldnt need to rely on anonymous quotes to prove they are good.


Look in the mirror buddy, YOU yourself cant find actual proof of edmunds being good, you dismiss all the stats and videos of Edmunds being bad, you have been searching the internet for 2 years and have found zero stats or videos defending your opinion on Edmunds.


If we were in court, you wouldve been found guilty within 5 minutes of the jury deciding. If we were on TV arguing, you would be a meme right now, if you were running for president, you wouldnt of made it past the first debate


When arguing a point, its best to provide facts/videos/statistics. Normally if your unable to find such things, you start realizing that you may be off.



I could provide more stats and video that would argue that Mac Jones was the best QB in the nfl last season, than you could just saying Edmunds is a good LB. Thats how far off your analysis is. I could honestly probably do a better argument that Mac Jones/Justin Fields/Zach Wilson/ and Trevor Lawrence are the 4 best QBs in the nfl right now, by just cherry picking random stats, lack of good players, age, and just random nit picky stats, that would make more sense than you trying to argue that Edmunds is good. Im trying to explain how far off your argument is and how far away you are from proving anything



Honestly, your so bad at this, that I could make a much better argument that Edmunds is a good LB than you are. I actually know of some hidden stats, could maybe find a few videos, or at least put some effort into making an argument for edmunds than you are. Its not that Edmunds is so atrocious that its impossible to defend him, its more that you are so ridiculously bad at defending him, that no one can take you seriously. I would do a better job sarcastically defending him than you are. That is how bad you are at this

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Typical baloney from a dedicated Edmunds hater. Sorry, your credibility when it comes to Edmunds is ZERO!!!!


And I HAVE presented many, many, many times more than "video, one stat, that defended your opinion on edmunds,”....over and over and over again. And not only from me but from NFL experts after NFL expert after NFL expert. Time and time again.

You being so closed minded about Edmunds simply refuse to even acknowledge the (probably) over 100 posts (probably in the multi-hundreds) that have done exactly that.


What YOU and ALL the Edmunds haters have 100% FAILED TO DO, is present ONE credible NFL expert that supports the crap heaped on Edmunds that he is a “bust”, the "worst LB in the NFL”....etc....etc....etc...

PUT UP OR STFU!!!!

If there was a single video or stat out there that showed Edmunds being a good to great LB, you would be an absolute idiot to not provide us with it. So the fact that you havent, proves to me that it is just not out there



notty, if there was any stat/video on the internet that proved Edmunds is a good LB, YOU WOULD BE AN ABSOLUTE IDIOT for not providing us with it. It has been 2 years and I have seen you post nothing.


The best way to describe you is like a ghost “expert”. You have no real proof of the ghost, you cant provide hard data on the ghost, but you believe in the ghost because of so called “ghost experts”



there are hundreds of stats and videos that prove to us that Fred Werner/Bobby Wagner/Lavonte David are great LBs. its not hard to find, you shouldnt need to rely on anonymous quotes to prove they are good.


Look in the mirror buddy, YOU yourself cant find actual proof of edmunds being good, you dismiss all the stats and videos of Edmunds being bad, you have been searching the internet for 2 years and have found zero stats or videos defending your opinion on Edmunds.


If we were in court, you wouldve been found guilty within 5 minutes of the jury deciding. If we were on TV arguing, you would be a meme right now, if you were running for president, you wouldnt of made it past the first debate


When arguing a point, its best to provide facts/videos/statistics. Normally if your unable to find such things, you start realizing that you may be off.



I could provide more stats and video that would argue that Mac Jones was the best QB in the nfl last season, than you could just saying Edmunds is a good LB. Thats how far off your analysis is. I could honestly probably do a better argument that Mac Jones/Justin Fields/Zach Wilson/ and Trevor Lawrence are the 4 best QBs in the nfl right now, but just cherry picking random stats, lack of good players, age, and just random nit picky stats, that would make more sense than you trying to argue that Edmunds is good. Im trying to explain how far off your argument is and how far away you are from proving anything



Honestly, your so bad at this, that I could make a much better argument that Edmunds is a good LB than you are. I actually know of some hidden stats, could maybe find a few videos, or at least put some effort into making an argument for edmunds than you are. Its not that Edmunds is so atrocious that its impossible to defend him, its more that you are so ridiculously bad at defending him, that no one can take you seriously. I would do a better job sarcastically defending him than you are. That is how bad you are at this

[sukie]

Notty, click on your bold Tremaine Edmunds in the giant font. Being under 25 doesn’t improve his numbers on the link. You just blew yourself up. 50.4 is now somehow good as far as ratings?

You linked it.