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    Re: Mac Jones supposedly took a big step forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Forward_Lateral View Post
    Swiper, nobody is an automatic win in the NFL. Anyone with a brain knows that.

    Jacksonville beat the Bills last year. That's enough said about that. Divisional opponents rarely roll over and die, unless it's the Bills vs Patriots from approx 2000-2018
    I never said otherwise FL. I was merely responding to several posters, you included IIRC, that said things like Jones sucks. He clearly does not. I know the Patriots are the hated rivals. I get that. But Jones was kind of the overlooked QB draft choice of the 2021 first round. He was the left-over guy. The 5th QB of the 1st round. Bills fans weren't paying too much attention as they had their QB. Trevor Lawrence (Jax), Zach Wilson (Jets), Trey Lance (SF) went 1, 2, 3. The Bears took Justin Fields at #11. Then the Patriots took Mac Jones at #15. Everybody all kind of shrugged. Everybody kind of said the Patriots are on their way to another underwhelming Patriot draft.

    Then the Patriots start the guy. Did they protect him and put some "restrictions" in place to him throwing last year? Yes. The Bills did the same with Josh Allen in his rookie year. I only highlighted Jones' stats in this thread. His rookie stats are much better than Josh Allen's. Plus some of Jones 2021 rookie stats were noticeably better than Allen as a 4th year pro. Stop saying he sucks. He doesn't. He was a rookie. Through 50 years of watching the NFL, most rookie QBs get to hold a clipboard. VERY FEW play any let alone start for the whole season. I was very critical of the Bills doing it with Allen. I think I still feel like that. But the Bills limited the playbook for Allen, overprotected him and let him get his feet wet. At year #3 for him, it was clear that their plan worked. It seems the Patriots are doing the same thing with Jones. Will that work too? I didn't make that claim. All I commented on was what he actually has done in one year as a pro is impressive all things considered.

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    Re: Mac Jones supposedly took a big step forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Fo Sho View Post
    The only thing I'm going to tell you is that Mac Jones sucks.



    I'm not going to compare Mac Jones to Josh Allen, because that's absurd. One guy sucks and the other is in the conversation of being the best QB in the league.


    Which AFC QBs would you take Mac Jones over this season if Mac Jones is top 10 in the AFC? Since that's the statement that got you out of bed.
    Well congratulations for sticking with your opinion. We'll come back to this thread later, I'm sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Fo Sho View Post
    Which AFC QBs would you take Mac Jones over this season if Mac Jones is top 10 in the AFC? Since that's the statement that got you out of bed.

    I only posted facts. You're the one having a problem understanding them.

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    Re: Mac Jones supposedly took a big step forward

    My only opinion on Jones stands. Belichick doesn't expect Jones to be Tom Brady or Josh Allen. He's more of a Steve Grogan. And they can win with that. So don't put "W" in automatically for those 2 Patriot games. You did that last year and got burned.

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    Re: Mac Jones supposedly took a big step forward

    Quote Originally Posted by swiper View Post
    I only posted facts. You're the one having a problem understanding them.
    You disputed my opinion that Mac Jones is not a top 10 AFC QB with a couple of statistics from last year, yet you won't claim that he's a top 10 AFC QB?

    Why are you even responding to me then?

    Mac Jones sucks almost as much as your Steve Grogan-esque opinion of him.

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    Re: Mac Jones supposedly took a big step forward

    Quote Originally Posted by swiper View Post
    My only opinion on Jones stands. Belichick doesn't expect Jones to be Tom Brady or Josh Allen. He's more of a Steve Grogan. And they can win with that. So don't put "W" in automatically for those 2 Patriot games. You did that last year and got burned.
    I think it's too early to say too much about what Mac Jones is or isn't. You see QB's in their 2nd year take a big step and you see others regress when teams get a book on them. My guess would be that Mac Jones will end up being a poor man's Tom Brady.

    In terms of style Jones is the polar opposite of Steve Grogan. Grogan was a down field thrower who would take the hit in the chest to deliver a long pass. He was a gambler. Jones is a more cautious player happy to take the short throw if it's there. The thing that Jones faces is an unsettled coaching situation. He loses McDaniels as OC and it's not clear who is taking his spot, could be coaching by committee. Joe Judge was a disaster in NY and he was not helpful to Daniel Jones. So how well Mac Jones does this year is a big unknown.

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    Re: Mac Jones supposedly took a big step forward

    Quote Originally Posted by sukie View Post
    No find fans are weeping for Parker being gone. He has frequent flier points on IR. Dude is glass. Last couple of years better but not reliable.
    Thats the point. The Pats are not helping Jones with WRs.


    Last year Jakobi Meyers was their #1 WR. He was an undrafted FA who was no more than middling. Nelson Agholor was a huge disappointment, and NKeal Harry is a bust.

    And still Mac Jones had a very successful year passing.

    Its a usual practice to compare a rookie QBs stats to other QBs stats when they were rookies. Mac Jones stats measured pretty well against Josh Allens 2021 regular season....

    Yards passing:
    Allen - #8 - 4,407
    Jones #13 - 3,801

    Avg yards per attempt:
    Allen - #24 - 6.8
    Jones - #14 - 7.3

    Completion percentage:
    Allen - #24 - 63.3%
    Jones - #8 - 67.6%

    TDs:
    Allen - #7 - 36
    Jones - #14 - 22

    INT:
    Allen - #25 - 15
    Jones - #21 - 13

    Passer rating:
    Allen - #16 - 92.2
    Jones - #15 - 92.5


    Who knows how Jones could have done past year with Stefan Diggs, Gabe Davis, Emmanuel Sanders and Cole Beasley to throw to instead of the not so stellar group he had to work with.

    No, Jones has not shown the ability to take over a game and put the team on his back like Allen and other elite QBs can.....but....for a rookie, this was an impressive performance as compared to all other starting QBs in the NFL no matter how many years they have been playing.

    it is reasonable to expect him to get better as he develops and if the Pats get off their asses and help him with playmakers.

    To dismiss him is folly.

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    Re: Mac Jones supposedly took a big step forward

    To talk about him in this forum is folly. He is not on the Bills.



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    Re: Mac Jones supposedly took a big step forward

    I hope Mac Jones becomes a great QB. Will make it more fun as his career and Pats fortune crumples under the shadow of Josh Allen and a better Bills team. To be the best you beat the best, not the mediocre.

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    I hope the Cheats finish last in the division and Belicheat retires. Once he's gone, it's over for them.
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    Re: Mac Jones supposedly took a big step forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Mace View Post
    I hope Mac Jones becomes a great QB. Will make it more fun as his career and Pats fortune crumples under the shadow of Josh Allen and a better Bills team. To be the best you beat the best, not the mediocre.
    Like Kelly and Marino. Great QB who almost always came short against JK and a better Bills team.

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    Re: Mac Jones supposedly took a big step forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Night Train View Post
    To talk about him in this forum is folly. He is not on the Bills.



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    Thats a rather short sighted opinion.

    Competition in the division the Bills play in is extremely critical for the prospects for the team. Not only is in not folly to talk about him, it would be folly to ignore him.

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    Re: Mac Jones supposedly took a big step forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Fo Sho View Post
    You disputed my opinion that Mac Jones is not a top 10 AFC QB with a couple of statistics from last year, yet you won't claim that he's a top 10 AFC QB?

    Why are you even responding to me then?

    Mac Jones sucks almost as much as your Steve Grogan-esque opinion of him.
    It's not my opinion. I post facts. You deny them. It's you that has the problem, not I.

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    Re: Mac Jones supposedly took a big step forward

    Quote Originally Posted by swiper View Post
    It's not my opinion. I post facts. You deny them. It's you that has the problem, not I.
    Here's a stat.

    Mac Jones has never beat the Bills when throwing 4 or more passes.

    What a garbage QB.

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    Re: Mac Jones supposedly took a big step forward

    As many others have said, I would not write off Mac Jones and the Pats at all. The reason for that is simple, Bill Belichick. If I was a young qb in this league you damn right I would want the guy as coach. I don't fear Jones like I did Brady, but I do fear and respect what Belichick can gameplan.
    Insert whimsical line here

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    Re: Mac Jones supposedly took a big step forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Fo Sho View Post
    Here's a stat.
    Mac Jones has never beat the Bills when throwing 4 or more passes.
    What a garbage QB.


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    Re: Mac Jones supposedly took a big step forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Fo Sho View Post
    Here's a stat.

    Mac Jones has never beat the Bills when throwing 4 or more passes.

    What a garbage QB.
    Ok, you go with that Einstein.

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    Re: Mac Jones supposedly took a big step forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibby 2.0 View Post
    As many others have said, I would not write off Mac Jones and the Pats at all. The reason for that is simple, Bill Belichick. If I was a young qb in this league you damn right I would want the guy as coach. I don't fear Jones like I did Brady, but I do fear and respect what Belichick can gameplan.
    BB is still a D guy. He shuts down what you do defensively. McDaniels had the O game plan duties.

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    Re: Mac Jones supposedly took a big step forward

    Quote Originally Posted by swiper View Post
    Ok, you go with that Einstein.
    Ok and you can continue being afraid of a bottom 5 AFC QB, Chicken Little.

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    Re: Mac Jones supposedly took a big step forward

    Quote Originally Posted by sukie View Post
    BB is still a D guy. He shuts down what you do defensively. McDaniels had the O game plan duties.
    Yeah, if you don't think that McDaniels will be a huge loss for the Cheats, especially with a 2nd year QB, you're fooling yourself. Especially since none of the guys who potentially might replace him have called plays before and none are offensive coaches. This smacks of more of Belicheater's arrogance.

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    Re: Mac Jones supposedly took a big step forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Fo Sho View Post
    Ok and you can continue being afraid of a bottom 5 AFC QB, Chicken Little.
    You are just being ignorant.

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