I Hate Our OL

[notacon]

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Bates should be the one playing Center, if Morse is hurt, IMO. Van Roten stinks. Mancz did ok, I think, but I'm not sure. Hard to tell when the RG and RT are getting beat instantly

What I read somewhere (I can’t remember where) was that the Bills thinking was to keep moving players out of their usual position to a minimum.

Who knows if that (putting Bates at C and who knows at RG) would have been better, or worse.

Many of us here were talking about the need for interior O-line help in the draft. Beane did not agree, or there was just nothing worthwhile, and instead spent a late pick (30th pick in round 6) on T Luke Tenuta, which they released at final cuts. He was picked up on waivers by Indy and is listed as third string T.

Interesting that in the same 6th round, the Bills grabbed who may be the unfinished gem of the 2022 draft, Christian Benford at #6.

For some reason, Beane has screwed up drafting interior O-linemen. He has this shaky record.....

2017 - drafted Dion Dawkins, 2nd pick, round 2, who entered the draft at G, but was quickly moved to T. The Bills never envisioned him at G.
2018 - drafted Wyatt Teller, 29th pick, round 5....and traded him to become a star in Cleveland - probably Beane’s worst purging of talent.
2019 - drafted Cody Ford, 6th pick, round 2....probably Beane’s worse draft whiff....Ford is a bust.
2020 - Ignored the G position in draft.
2021 - drafted Jack Anderson, 8th pick, round 7, the Bills last selection and has kicked around the league and is now 3rd stringer G on NYG.
2022 - Ignored the G position in draft.

I suspect that interior O-line will be a bigger priority in 2023. And if it isn’t it should be.

[notacon]

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The bills got their running game going at the end of last year

what did they do then that they aren’t doing now?

i was hoping the kromer addition would booster that seeing the success they had running the ball (albeit with different personnel) the last time he was here. Thoughts?

It’s only three weeks into the season.

In those three games, the Bills have out gained their opposition in rushing yards. Even when you take out Josh Allen’s runs. The Miami game was the worst in that they only out-gained Miami because of one long run by Moss.

Just like the Titans out ran the Bills last year, mainly because of one long run by Henry. And Tennessee is a run first team. But, Miami’s total rushing yards were only 41. Bills gained 115.

The fact is that rushing the ball is not the priority nor a winning strategy for today’s offenses. The Buffalo Bills are a pass first offense.....and their strategy is to use the short pass just like a run.

And last last year, the “Bills got their running game going” because of two factors....Josh Allen running he ball, and inferior opponents.

Josh was the leading rusher for the Bills in three of the final six regular season games. The three that Singetary was the #1 rusher, where against Carolina, Atlanta and NYJ.

With that said, the Bills need to improve their rushing game. It’s a long season.

[TheConsigliere]

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So Nottie are you saying you agree our OL sucks?

[Typ0]

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Beane hasn't noticed before.

He won't this year either.

Beane has always fundamentally undervalued the importance of the 5 player OL.

Unfortunately, that will not change going forward.

Is that Beane or McDermott?

[Mace]

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So Nottie are you saying you agree our OL sucks?

They only had two starters play the whole game.

Imagine if you will, that Michael was overcome by a poorly prepared sauce, and it was necessary to send Fredo to address Sollozzo. Surely this would not have ended well.

[TheConsigliere]

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They only had two starters play the whole game.

Imagine if you will, that Michael was overcome by a poorly prepared sauce, and it was necessary to send Fredo to address Sollozzo. Surely this would not have ended well.

The sauce would have have had horse meat in it.

Very gamey.

However, if all you had to make sauce was horse rather than beef, veal and pork (oh that last one is where the flavour is) than the sauce isn't going to be that good.

Beane only gave the Bills horse for the OL sauce.

No beef, veal and the all important pork.

[TheConsigliere]

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Is that Beane or McDermott?

Beane chooses the players no?

He gets input however he is the GM and chooses the ingredients for the team.

McD is the chef.

[Typ0]

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Beane chooses the players no?

He gets input however he is the GM and chooses the ingredients for the team.

McD is the chef.

Don't think it works that way. McDermott is feeding Beane with what he needs to make his system plan work best. Beane is more McDermott's mechanism to connect with everything that is out there to be acquired. They both have a lot of input and are working together....but the makeup of the team is in McDermott's wheelhouse not Beane's. What can and can't be gotten and is and isn't acquired is what Beane owns.

[TheConsigliere]

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I still hate our OL.

[Forward_Lateral]

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Beane needs to seriously consider hiring an O-line consultant/scout. He's been terrible at drafting and signing O-line. Admit you stink at it, and hire someone who's good at it.

[notacon]

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So Nottie are you saying you agree our OL sucks?

No.

[TheConsigliere]

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Beane needs to seriously consider hiring an O-line consultant/scout. He's been terrible at drafting and signing O-line. Admit you stink at it, and hire someone who's good at it.

AGREED

Beane also needs to stay out of the hot Nevada heat without wearing headwear.

[notacon]

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AGREED

Beane also needs to stay out of the hot Nevada heat without wearing headwear.

You screwed up your attempted diss. I should read "Beane also needs to stay out of the hot Nevada SUN without wearing headwear”

Being hot here, with less than 10% humidity is a totally different thing than steamy, sauna-like FLA. It was reported ot be around 90 degrees in Miami for the last game.

****....90 degrees here (with that low, low humidity) is like a fine spring day in the east when it’s in the 70’s. Almost balmy.

In any event, the idea that out “O-line sucks” is more determined by which O-line you are talking about.

The O-line vs Miami, did, in fact, suck. But, is that more because they only had two starters and backups getting replaced by backups lower on the depth chart....or does the O-line starting 5 “suck”???

Yes, Saffold has been a huge disappointment (so far). For such an experienced lineman, he has been a liability. Yes, the Bills do not have a suitable backup for Morse (but that does not mean the starting 5 “suck). Yes, Bates has been just so-so. And yes, Spencer Brown had a really bad game, even before he was overcome by heat sickness. He has to improve his inconsistency.

I suspect that he is just not built for the heat and humid that the Bills will not see again until next year.

We also need Ike Boettger back to see if he can do better than Saffold and/or Bates. We need Brown to be more consistent. We need Morse to not be injured.

I’m not ready to give up on the unit just yet. It’s early in the year and players and units do get better.

[Goobylal]

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Apparently Van Roten was telegraphing when the snap would happen.

[Forward_Lateral]

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Apparently Van Roten was telegraphing when the snap would happen.

I can't remember if it was him or Nancz that was head bobbing every time they snapped it.