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    "Lamar Jackson will prove to Josh Allen who is MVP"

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    Re: "Lamar Jackson will prove to Josh Allen who is MVP"

    Completing less than 60% when not blitzed. I guess we will see.

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    Re: "Lamar Jackson will prove to Josh Allen who is MVP"

    I think Frazier has him pegged, I hope that's still the case. Time to bring him back down to earth again.

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    Re: "Lamar Jackson will prove to Josh Allen who is MVP"

    Quote Originally Posted by YardRat View Post
    I think Frazier has him pegged, I hope that's still the case. Time to bring him back down to earth again.
    If we don't the season will. Just hope Allen doesn't get trucked. He's still ascending imho.

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    Re: "Lamar Jackson will prove to Josh Allen who is MVP"

    As long as Josh wins Super Bowl MVP, I don't care if Lamar wins regular season MVP.

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    Re: "Lamar Jackson will prove to Josh Allen who is MVP"

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    I think Frazier has him pegged, I hope that's still the case. Time to bring him back down to earth again.
    It's easier to say that when we're playing our starters.

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    Re: "Lamar Jackson will prove to Josh Allen who is MVP"

    There is a chance that Poyer Oliver and Jackson will be back. That will help a great deal.
    I've made up my mind. Don't confuse me with the facts.

    I'm the most reasonable poster here. If you don't agree, I'll be forced to have a hissy fit.

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    Re: "Lamar Jackson will prove to Josh Allen who is MVP"

    That jerk has hated Josh since the draft. Who gives a **** what he thinks.

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    Re: "Lamar Jackson will prove to Josh Allen who is MVP"

    Jackson is one hell of an athlete. I'll give him that. His passing has been good this year, but it has been hit or miss over his career. It's going to take more than 3 games to convince me that he can be a consistently good passer, especially since one of those games was against the Fish, who are 31st in pass D in the league (FWIW, Baltimore is dead last).

    I do think there's one huge similarity between Allen and Jackson: Both teams rely way too much on them and it'll probably shorten their careers.

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    Re: "Lamar Jackson will prove to Josh Allen who is MVP"

    Quote Originally Posted by OpIv37 View Post
    Jackson is one hell of an athlete. I'll give him that. His passing has been good this year, but it has been hit or miss over his career. It's going to take more than 3 games to convince me that he can be a consistently good passer, especially since one of those games was against the Fish, who are 31st in pass D in the league (FWIW, Baltimore is dead last).

    I do think there's one huge similarity between Allen and Jackson: Both teams rely way too much on them and it'll probably shorten their careers.
    Spot on. We both rely on the QB too much. Heard it this morning, Allen is responsible for 83% of all the Bills yards. Jackson is at 86%.

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    Re: "Lamar Jackson will prove to Josh Allen who is MVP"

    Both Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen are unicorn talents.

    If the argument is about who is more likely to win MVP (or worse yet, Lamarís contract)....I say....who cares??? If Lamar wins MVP this year, but Josh Allen is holding the Vince Lombardi trophy on Feb 12, 2023....Iíd much rather have the Lombardi. And I suspect both Lamar and Josh would prefer.


    A very interesting ESPN article yesterday ranking the ďbest QB combos in NFL draft history".....had Allen and Jackson #3.....


    No. 1: John Elway and Dan Marino, 1983


    No. 2: Ben Roethlisberger and Eli Manning, 2004


    No. 3: Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson, 2018


    Ranking Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson this high requires faith in their ability to produce in the postseason, but there's no denying the two have already emerged as elite players in their young careers. Jackson has won an MVP award and led the NFL in passing touchdowns (36 in 2019) while also torching defenses as a runner. He has twice rushed for more than 1,000 yards in a season. And Allen has seemingly gotten better and better. He's currently the favorite to win MVP this season. He has accounted for 145 total touchdowns, and his completion percentage has jumped from 52.8% as a rookie to 71.2% this season.

    If how this duo has changed the game with their downfield throwing and running ability is any indication of where they're headed, then both look like future Hall of Famers and multiple MVP winners. Ranking them ahead of proven winners like Joe Montana, Peyton Manning and Drew Brees might ruffle some feathers, but it's that potential that puts them this high on the list. -- Miller

    Allen's path: After receiving no offers from Division I programs, and then going from starting at a junior college -- Reedley College -- for one year to Wyoming, there were major concerns about Allen's ability to be a starting quarterback in the NFL. Part of the skepticism was because of his lack of accuracy (he completed 56.2% of his passes in three years at Wyoming). Despite that, a series of trades were required for the Bills to move up to select Allen seventh overall, including a draft-day trade with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers to move up from No. 12. Allen has since set countless Bills records, greatly improved his accuracy and signed a six-year extension through 2028. -- Alaina Getzenberg

    Jackson's path: The Ravens traded down twice in the first round to get tight end Hayden Hurst, then made the bold move to trade back into the first round to get the free-falling Jackson, sending three picks (two second-round selections and a fourth-rounder) to the Eagles to acquire the No. 32 overall pick. But Jackson's path to Baltimore started two weeks before the draft. Ravens coach John Harbaugh stood up in a pre-draft meeting and said the team could build an offense around Jackson to fit his dual-threat talent. -- Jamison Hensley


    No. 4: Phil Simms and Joe Montana, 1979


    No. 5: Patrick Mahomes and Deshaun Watson, 2017


    No. 6: Michael Vick and Drew Brees, 2001


    No. 7: Peyton Manning and Matt Hasselbeck, 1998


    No. 8: Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers, 2005


    No. 9: Russell Wilson and Kirk Cousins, 2012


    No. 10: Joe Burrow and Justin Herbert, 2020



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    Re: "Lamar Jackson will prove to Josh Allen who is MVP"

    Quote Originally Posted by YardRat View Post
    I think Frazier has him pegged, I hope that's still the case. Time to bring him back down to earth again.
    pretty sure we bottled him up rather well playing 3 deep against him the last two times.
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    Re: "Lamar Jackson will prove to Josh Allen who is MVP"

    Quote Originally Posted by Ingtar33 View Post
    pretty sure we bottled him up rather well playing 3 deep against him the last two times.
    Itís been a long time since those two games. And the 2019 game, the Bills lost.

    There is every indiction that Jackson is an improved QB. He is always a running threat, but whatís different now is he is growing into a lethal passer as well. He is much less likely to make the mistake he made against the Bills in the 2020 playoff game

    The matchup that favors the Bills is the Baltimore defense has sucked so far this year. They have been allowing massive numbers of yards. Ranked #32 in total yards allowed....#32 in passing yards allowed....#13 in rushing yards allowed (but the Bills are not a rushing team).....#25 in points allowed.

    If this game turns into a high scoring offensive game, it strongly favors the Bills.

    But, yes, your and YardRatís observations are spot on.....the Bills are more likely to slow down Lamar and the Ravenís offense than most teams, and Frazier seems to have his number.

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    Re: "Lamar Jackson will prove to Josh Allen who is MVP"

    I agree that both are relied upon way too much by their teams, and are taking way too many hits.

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    Re: "Lamar Jackson will prove to Josh Allen who is MVP"

    I'll take Josh everyday of the week and twice on Sundays.
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    Re: "Lamar Jackson will prove to Josh Allen who is MVP"

    WHO are the clowns in that video?

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    Re: "Lamar Jackson will prove to Josh Allen who is MVP"

    This dudes favorite shtick is to hate on Josh/Bills.

    That’s all it is…shtick

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    Re: "Lamar Jackson will prove to Josh Allen who is MVP"

    Quote Originally Posted by Ingtar33 View Post
    pretty sure we bottled him up rather well playing 3 deep against him the last two times.
    We didnt play 3 deep against him in the playoffs. Weather was a huge factor, but we dared him to throw and he couldnt. We stacked the front and was disciplined, which 100% eliminated his running threat.

    With no Tre, Hyde, an injured Jackson, an injured Poyer?, etc... Lamar should be able to throw. I'm actually pretty concerned about our defense this season. Time will tell if the DL takes over, but the tone of our defense for as long as I can remember McD and Fraizer running it was based on our secondary.

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    Re: "Lamar Jackson will prove to Josh Allen who is MVP"

    Quote Originally Posted by TigerJ View Post
    There is a chance that Poyer Oliver and Jackson will be back. That will help a great deal.
    The key is Morse.
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    Re: "Lamar Jackson will prove to Josh Allen who is MVP"

    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman View Post
    The key is Morse.
    Morse doesn't do a thing for the defense. I agree he is a key part of the offense.

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