Wow shots fired by cte guru on Dolphins

[YardRat]

Re: Wow shots fired by cte guru on Dolphins

I'm not sure if this is the case, only because it was so close to halftime.

Either way, the staff at the stadium completely screwed the pooch.

I don't think the time of the game matters, the initial exam is supposed to be given on the sideline.

https://static.www.nfl.com/image/upload/v1597677293/league/dhfywrwelyfsivvia3ie.pdf

Page 8..."the player must be removed immediately to the sideline or stabilized on the field......and the player must undergo the entire NFL Sideline Concussion Assessment."

Language on prior pages details the requirement to have a UNC (Unaffiliated Neurotrauma Consultant) on each sideline and a third in the booth. As well as additional 'spotters' and the list of Potential Concussion Signs which includes "motor coordination/balance problems of neurologic etiology (stumbles, trips, falls, etc)."

As soon as he wobbled he should been sent to the sideline for the examination, and it doesn't matter if the issue truly was his back or not. It's the UNC's responsibility to rule out concussion and send him to the locker room to have his back evaluated if that was the case.

[notacon]

Re: Wow shots fired by cte guru on Dolphins

After the game, on Amazon Prime’s post game show, Andrew Whitworth told a story about a game in which he was concussed.

Paraphrasing.....he said that his bell was rung and he knew it was a concussion. He went through the concussion protocol, but he said it’s pretty easy to get through that if you are not obviously dizzy and out of it.

So....despite the fact that he knew he should not, he went back in the game, like big strong football players do.


A TEAMMATE noticed that he was “not quite right”, told him so, and went to the coaches. They pulled him from the game.

Andrew said that his teammate might have saved his life.

The LAST person in the world that should be listened to in these situation is the player. They naturally WANT TO PLAY. And have every incentive to do that when they should not. Especially with a QB in Tua’s position, where the team has openly tried to replace him with Watson (and failed) and secretly tried to replace him with Tm Brady (and failed, but got caught for breaking the rules).

This is a 'make it or you will be dumped' year for Tua. Miami had plenty of 2023 draft capital to grab a QB in the rich class of 2023....until they got caught tampering with Tom Brady. They have shown themselves capable of selling out the house to get what they want.

After this season Miami must make a decision on whether to activate the fifth year option for Tua. With that history does anyone believe that Miami ownership would show him any loyalty if he stumbled at all this year?

The motivation for Tua is to play....no matter what. So when Tua said that it was his back that mad him stable at the Bills game....no one should believe him.

This whole situation is really, really bad for the NFL, and the NFLPA has got to do everything they can to protect players health. It remains to be seen if they can or will.

[OpIv37]

Re: Wow shots fired by cte guru on Dolphins

After the game, on Amazon Prime’s post game show, Andrew Whitworth told a story about a game in which he was concussed.

Paraphrasing.....he said that his bell was rung and he knew it was a concussion. He went through the concussion protocol, but he said it’s pretty easy to get through that if you are not obviously dizzy and out of it.

So....despite the fact that he knew he should not, he went back in the game, like big strong football players do.


A TEAMMATE noticed that he was “not quite right”, told him so, and went to the coaches. They pulled him from the game.

Andrew said that his teammate might have saved his life.

The LAST person in the world that should be listened to in these situation is the player. They naturally WANT TO PLAY. And have every incentive to do that when they should not. Especially with a QB in Tua’s position, where the team has openly tried to replace him with Watson (and failed) and secretly tried to replace him with Tm Brady (and failed, but got caught for breaking the rules).

This is a 'make it or you will be dumped' year for Tua. Miami had plenty of 2023 draft capital to grab a QB in the rich class of 2023....until they got caught tampering with Tom Brady. They have shown themselves capable of selling out the house to get what they want.

After this season Miami must make a decision on whether to activate the fifth year option for Tua. With that history does anyone believe that Miami ownership would show him any loyalty if he stumbled at all this year?

The motivation for Tua is to play....no matter what. So when Tua said that it was his back that mad him stable at the Bills game....no one should believe him.

This whole situation is really, really bad for the NFL, and the NFLPA has got to do everything they can to protect players health. It remains to be seen if they can or will.

Seriously.

1. These guys are all highly competitive or they never would have made it to the NFL in the first place. If there's any way that they can play, they are going to do it.
2. Many players have performance bonuses.
3. There's a dozen back-ups on the team gunning for a starting spot who can't wait to take an injured player's place, and players do lose starting roles to injury.

The player has every motivation to stay out there and will never take themselves out for a concussion.

[sukie]

Re: Wow shots fired by cte guru on Dolphins

Seriously.

1. These guys are all highly competitive or they never would have made it to the NFL in the first place. If there's any way that they can play, they are going to do it.
2. Many players have performance bonuses.
3. There's a dozen back-ups on the team gunning for a starting spot who can't wait to take an injured player's place, and players do lose starting roles to injury.

The player has every motivation to stay out there and will never take themselves out for a concussion.

And these same players surely don’t aspire to become Herschel Walker.

[Mace]

Re: Wow shots fired by cte guru on Dolphins

Maybe it's just me, but seems kind of odd they didn't keep him overnight. He went back on the team flight, just seems like a pretty short period of time to put him through a battery of tests at a medical facility after a fencing response upon injury.

[Typ0]

Re: Wow shots fired by cte guru on Dolphins

All of the bantering about the back injury....did they ever consider he may have had a back injury and a concussion?

And that would be the exact tunnel vision that defines the reason why the Dolphins are the wrong party to be evaluating the player for the concussion -- and why the NFL is at fault as a whole.

The lawyers are going to sue the Dolphins too of course. That is a fishing expedition.

[zone]

Re: Wow shots fired by cte guru on Dolphins

Anyone that watched that game knew that he was concussed and the fact that they let him back in the game was criminal. This is what happens when availability is valued above all else.

[sukie]

Re: Wow shots fired by cte guru on Dolphins

All of the bantering about the back injury....did they ever consider he may have had a back injury and a concussion?

And that would be the exact tunnel vision that defines the reason why the Dolphins are the wrong party to be evaluating the player for the concussion -- and why the NFL is at fault as a whole.

The lawyers are going to sue the Dolphins too of course. That is a fishing expedition.

re: back injury.

I’ve hurt my back and know many that suffer from back issues (yeah old)

back injury or aggravation. Obvious pain especially from supine to upright. Tua popped right to his feet and slightly raised his arms toward his head , took a few steps and shook his head. (No sign of back pain) he wasn’t limited in getting upright and never touched his back.

he took a few steps , collapsed to a knee and effortlessly rose to feet again (no back issue)… a few more steps then fell backward into linemen… all of this was motor issues and head related.

zero back signs.

[Night Train]

Re: Wow shots fired by cte guru on Dolphins

https://apnews.com/article/miami-dolphins-nfl-entertainment-health-sports-5668a3642aeba12678eb7997df2526e1

[Ingtar33]

Re: Wow shots fired by cte guru on Dolphins

just had a former player send me this youtube link, interesting stuff. this doctor has some new stuff here. first of all he shows how tua's fencing response actually happened on Sunday, and he explains how tua was cleared to return on Sunday due to the dolphins gaming the concussion rules using a little known loophole in the rules to get him back on the field.

[Cntrygal]

Re: Wow shots fired by cte guru on Dolphins

just had a former player send me this youtube link, interesting stuff. this doctor has some new stuff here. first of all he shows how tua's fencing response actually happened on Sunday, and he explains how tua was cleared to return on Sunday due to the dolphins gaming the concussion rules using a little known loophole in the rules to get him back on the field.

[Cntrygal]

Re: Wow shots fired by cte guru on Dolphins

The NFL Players Association has terminated the unaffiliated neurotrauma consultant involved in Tua Tagovailoa's concussion check last Sunday, as @ProFootballTalk said.

Both the UNC and the #Dolphins team physician were interviewed Friday, per source. Investigation ongoing.

— Tom Pelissero (@TomPelissero) October 1, 2022

[Woodman]

Re: The investigation

aren't they the ones who started the investigation?

The stakes are raised considerably. The possibility of internal politics, P.R., and labor-management relations nudging the investigation one way or the other must be acknowledged — and completely ignored when sifting through the evidence. All parties need to be committed to getting to the truth, no matter the potential consequences.

[Canadian'eh!]

Re: Wow shots fired by cte guru on Dolphins

just had a former player send me this youtube link, interesting stuff. this doctor has some new stuff here. first of all he shows how tua's fencing response actually happened on Sunday, and he explains how tua was cleared to return on Sunday due to the dolphins gaming the concussion rules using a little known loophole in the rules to get him back on the field.

Great video. Thanks for posting it.

[sukie]

Re: Wow shots fired by cte guru on Dolphins

So the UNC is the sacrificial lamb and not the team doctor? Maybe it’s just a case of the UNC was the one the PA could fire