Opposing passers avoiding Bills rookie Kaiir Elam

[DraftBoy]

A little odd to see Benford significantly ahead of Elam early on pre-injury. I’m assuming that since Elam is traditionally a physical CB he’ll need more time to adjust to the NFL level. The INT should be a confidence booster even with the down day.

He’ll get better.

[Goobylal]

A little odd to see Benford significantly ahead of Elam early on pre-injury. I’m assuming that since Elam is traditionally a physical CB he’ll need more time to adjust to the NFL level. The INT should be a confidence booster even with the down day.

He’ll get better.

Benford played in a zone scheme in college and Elam played man. Elam's still learning.

[DraftBoy]

Benford played in a zone scheme in college and Elam played man. Elam's still learning.

Benford was considered among the rawest of CB’s in the draft with high upside due to his size and athleticism. Also Florida ran zone coverage concepts as well. They weren’t in man coverage only 100% of the time.

We don’t have to make up excuses for why our first round pick in year 1 is behind our other pick. Just enjoy the embarrassment of riches.

[Forward_Lateral]

Elam got picked on a bit yesterday, but it really didn't matter. He also had a nice INT. He's been playing well the past few games, but obviously has a lot to work on. It's nice to have him learning, while they have the benefit of it not costing them, game wise. Yet.

[YardRat]

Benford was considered among the rawest of CB’s in the draft with high upside due to his size and athleticism. Also Florida ran zone coverage concepts as well. They weren’t in man coverage only 100% of the time.

We don’t have to make up excuses for why our first round pick in year 1 is behind our other pick. Just enjoy the embarrassment of riches.

If it's a made up excuse, then it's made up by the team. Frasier has commented a few times on how much press man Elam played at Florida and how raw he was with off coverages and the nuances of zone concepts because "he didn't do a lot of (that) at Florida".

[ghz in pittsburgh]

Elam got picked on a bit yesterday, but it really didn't matter. He also had a nice INT. He's been playing well the past few games, but obviously has a lot to work on. It's nice to have him learning, while they have the benefit of it not costing them, game wise. Yet.

It's all relative. It didn't matter because it was a blowout. He is said to "play well" in the Ravens game because Lamar does not throw to outside in general. To imply that opposition QBs afraid of throwing to Elam's direction because he's play well is just ... I rest my case. BTW, Sunday was Pickett, rookie QB on his first NFL game .

[Forward_Lateral]

It's all relative. It didn't matter because it was a blowout. He is said to "play well" in the Ravens game because Lamar does not throw to outside in general. To imply that opposition QBs afraid of throwing to Elam's direction because he's play well is just ... I rest my case. BTW, Sunday was Pickett, rookie QB on his first NFL game .

Thanks, I was aware that it was Pickett's first game. He also has 2 major outside weapons in Pickens and Johnson.

[notacon]

Yeah they went right at him yesterday. Something like 10 completions on 13 attempts for 120+ yards.

He shouldn't be happy at all.

I like his attitude.

I remember seeing this about Elam’s interview with the Bills. They asked him a boilerplate question about where he thinks he needs to show improvement in his game.

And he pulls out a freakin’ notebook where he “wrote down everything I did wrong...”

Holy crap!!!!

Yeah....I like his attitude and I’m sure the Bills do too.

[DraftBoy]

If it's a made up excuse, then it's made up by the team. Frasier has commented a few times on how much press man Elam played at Florida and how raw he was with off coverages and the nuances of zone concepts because "he didn't do a lot of (that) at Florida".

Goes double if it’s a coach statement to the media.

[YardRat]

Goes double if it’s a coach statement to the media.

No, it pretty much renders your statement meaningless. It's ridiculous to minimize what training and experience these kids have leading up to the step up. Draft position may become moot as soon as the pads are put on for the first time, but the resume' is still relevant.

[DraftBoy]

No, it pretty much renders your statement meaningless. It's ridiculous to minimize what training and experience these kids have leading up to the step up. Draft position may become moot as soon as the pads are put on for the first time, but the resume' is still relevant.

Florida ran zone cover concepts, I don’t know how anybody who watched a single drive of Florida football could ever disagree with that. They were man heavy but ran plenty of zone too. It’s a significant part of Grantham’s 3-4 1-Gap system because he likes to zone blitz out of it. Elam got to play more on an island than any other CB at UF in the scheme but it’s not like he never practiced or played in the concept of zone coverage.

[YardRat]

Florida ran zone cover concepts, I don’t know how anybody who watched a single drive of Florida football could ever disagree with that. They were man heavy but ran plenty of zone too. It’s a significant part of Grantham’s 3-4 1-Gap system because he likes to zone blitz out of it. Elam got to play more on an island than any other CB at UF in the scheme but it’s not like he never practiced or played in the concept of zone coverage.

Zone blitz concepts have absolutely zero to do with shell coverages, you know this. Even on the infrequent occasions where Florida might have run zone shells, Elam was mostly still in man while the rest of the secondary played zone. That is completely different than actually playing in zone, the shades, leverages etc are still completely different. You know this also.

[DraftBoy]

Zone blitz concepts have absolutely zero to do with shell coverages, you know this. Even on the infrequent occasions where Florida might have run zone shells, Elam was mostly still in man while the rest of the secondary played zone. That is completely different than actually playing in zone, the shades, leverages etc are still completely different. You know this also.

That’s not an accurate statement you start with. The rest is just speculation without data.

[Goobylal]

That’s not an accurate statement you start with. The rest is just speculation without data.

And yours isn't? You're saying that Leslie Frazier is lying and you know the real truth?

[Oaf]

It's all relative. It didn't matter because it was a blowout. He is said to "play well" in the Ravens game because Lamar does not throw to outside in general. To imply that opposition QBs afraid of throwing to Elam's direction because he's play well is just ... I rest my case. BTW, Sunday was Pickett, rookie QB on his first NFL game .

Elam is a bit soft so far. At least he also hasn't given up any major busts. Hopefully his prep translate to play soon.

[DraftBoy]

And yours isn't? You're saying that Leslie Frazier is lying and you know the real truth?

Is that what I said? Or is that what you choose to infer?

[Goobylal]

Is that what I said? Or is that what you choose to infer?

Just a few posts up you called Frazier a liar. Did you not?

[DraftBoy]

Just a few posts up you called Frazier a liar. Did you not?

Nope. Just called out coach speak to media.

If you think that’s lying then you probably have a point, but it’s not something worth getting into.

[YardRat]

That’s not an accurate statement you start with. The rest is just speculation without data.

Of course it is accurate.

I'm sorry, I missed the data you presented to support the premise that Elam played zone coverage at Florida, which # post was it again?

[Night Train]

Regardless, rookie CB's get targeted.

It's science !