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Re: NFL Has to Correct Their Bad Calls In Real Time
Hockey reviews plays in the home office of Toronto. Horse racing has 3 people (stewards) vote yes or no on a race foul. Baseball stops games for reviews.
They wish to get it right.
Football could have officials monitoring the games in NY. 3 or more officials make a call on specific plays.
Right now, it's too arbitrary and wildly inconsistent.
Anonymity is an abused privilege, abused most by people who mistake vitriol for wisdom and cynicism for wit
Hockey reviews plays in the home office of Toronto. Horse racing has 3 people (stewards) vote yes or no on a race foul. Baseball stops games for reviews.
They wish to get it right.
Football could have officials monitoring the games in NY. 3 or more officials make a call on specific plays.
Right now, it's too arbitrary and wildly inconsistent.
Not sure baseball or horse racing are the sports I’d be trying to compare football too.
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We were both drunk and Hillary did not look that bad at 2 AM, I swear!!!!!!
Re: NFL Has to Correct Their Bad Calls In Real Time
The officials get too in their feelings if they are questioned. Reviewable PI lasted only a season because officials would never reverse the call on the field out of principle. Something will happen because public opinion is high right now but it'll go back to normal after outrage dies down.
Originally posted by LOSman WINS
Vanek is Austrian not European
Originally posted by Prov401
Pacquiao isn't asian. He's from the philippines
Originally posted by better days
I will not be surprised if Tebow has more success than Peyton in the NFL.
Re: NFL Has to Correct Their Bad Calls In Real Time
NFL failed Tua during the Bills game and allowed Miami to let Tua play 4 days later and get knocked out. It's on them.
Then suddenly, the flags are flying over regular contact. Calls go way up the next week. That's league driven and the refs just wish to keep their jobs.
Anonymity is an abused privilege, abused most by people who mistake vitriol for wisdom and cynicism for wit
"I know, the refs are human and people make mistakes".
You're looking for a Holy Grail of refereeing if you are expecting games not to be called perfectly.
Notice that the personal foul calls get the publicity when they aren't right. Last night's game is a perfect example.
People have talked ad nauseum about it and how horrific it was.
I caught a clip on GMB where they mentioned the weak ass, make up for an earlier weak call "defensive holding on a FG attempt call".
When they mentioned it, someone said something to the effect of "yeah, it was a bad call, but the Raiders had other chances".
No ****! So did the Chiefs, despite the personal foul call.
Did that call have any more of an effect on the game than the bogus holding call?
Does a personal foul call have any more effect on the game than a bogus holding call? Or an OL who tackles a pass rusher that isn't called?
Does it have any more of an effect on the game than a bogus PI call? Or PI that isn't called?
Those calls/non-calls happen every week. And those calls have just as much an effect on a game.
But the personal foul calls that are created specifically for player safety are somehow more worthy of scrutiny and demand perfection.
Good luck with that.
Yes, calls that involve player safety absolutely should get more scrutiny. Not only do they involve PLAYER SAFETY, they are the ones that the refs are consistently getting wrong. It's beyond just typical human error at this point. There are guys getting hurt on plays that aren't flagged, and flags being thrown to protect "player safety" on plays that aren't dangerous. It's insane and it needs to be fixed.
Yes, calls that involve player safety absolutely should get more scrutiny. Not only do they involve PLAYER SAFETY, they are the ones that the refs are consistently getting wrong. It's beyond just typical human error at this point. There are guys getting hurt on plays that aren't flagged, and flags being thrown to protect "player safety" on plays that aren't dangerous. It's insane and it needs to be fixed.
I honestly cannot see how anyone who watches football can defend officiating at this point. It's getting worse, yet the NFL does zero about it.
I honestly cannot see how anyone who watches football can defend officiating at this point. It's getting worse, yet the NFL does zero about it.
Well the problem is that we complain about it, but we still watch football. No one has stopped watching because of the bad officiating. Fixing it would cost the NFL time and money, but to them, there's no benefit.
If anything, there's a disincentive for them fixing it. We're still talking about ONE play from a game that was two days ago. It keeps them in the news and in people's minds.
Two high-profile roughing the passer calls have generated attention early this week. And it's certainly worth having a conversation about how these rules are officiated and whether it could be done better. But there does notappear to be evidence of any kind of roughing the passer epidemic.
Through five weeks, there have been 29 roughing the passer penalties called. This time last year (through Week 5), there had been 54 called. For the entire 2021 regular season, there were 161 roughing the passer calls. This year, the league is on pace for just 99. Either the players are following the rules better, the officials are letting more of these go or a combination of both. It's worth noting that, of the 29 called so far this year, six were called in Week 4 and nine in Week 5. This supports the notion that officials are more inclined to call roughing the passer in the wake of the Tua Tagovailoa concussion situation. But that's just a two-week sample, so it remains to be seen whether it becomes a trend. Overall, though, outside of Sunday's Bucs game and Monday's Chiefs game, there hasn't really been too much for the "football's getting too soft" crowd to complain about this year
The competition committee report teams received in the offseason identified roughing the passer as a point of clarification, specifically reinforcing the parts of the rule that address forcible hits to the head or when a player on the ground swipes at the quarterback's legs. The report concluded that the league believes officials are officiating the "body weight" calls properly and that defenders are doing a better job of landing to the side of the quarterback instead of landing with their full body weight on him.
For the record, I believe, in general, the NFL officials do a phenomenal job of making extremely difficult calls during a fraction of a second with incredibly fast action.
We all have the benefit of watching the replay, in super slow motion, from every angle.
The issue is not that the refs constantly make “bad” calls, it’s that some of the most controversial ones are pure judgement (again, made in the heat of battle in incredibly fast action) calls that cannot be reviewed.
Pass interference should be reviewable. And the penalty should not be “spot of the foul”. They should be more like defensive holding...5 yards, automatic first down.
And roughing the passer calls should be like turnovers and scoring plays.....automatically reviewed for verification.
Just ****ting on the refs is lazy and and not very realistic. I cannot imagine trying to do their jobs, with such scrutiny. And anyone who watches football, and sees the replays (and not just on reviewed plays), knows (or should know) that they are correct an incredible majority of the time.
For the record, I believe, in general, the NFL officials do a phenomenal job of making extremely difficult calls during a fraction of a second with incredibly fast action.
We all have the benefit of watching the replay, in super slow motion, from every angle.
The issue is not that the refs constantly make “bad” calls, it’s that some of the most controversial ones are pure judgement (again, made in the heat of battle in incredibly fast action) calls that cannot be reviewed.
Pass interference should be reviewable. And the penalty should not be “spot of the foul”. They should be more like defensive holding...5 yards, automatic first down.
And roughing the passer calls should be like turnovers and scoring plays.....automatically reviewed for verification.
Just ****ting on the refs is lazy and and not very realistic. I cannot imagine trying to do their jobs, with such scrutiny. And anyone who watches football, and sees the replays (and not just on reviewed plays), knows (or should know) that they are correct an incredible majority of the time.
I really wish Gene Steratore and that other former ref who does the in-game commentary on calls (forgot his name) would review the refs. And by that, I mean watch every game for one weekend and review every call/missed call to see how accurate the refs actually are. Of course, there are some "judgement calls" so there would still be some subjectivity to it, but it would give us a good idea of where they are really at.
It seems to me that every game, there are several calls or missed calls that seem obviously wrong. But, admittedly, I'm emotionally invested in the game so my game day perceptions are definitely not an objective way to judge the officials.
And, I think the other problem is that the impact of a mistake can be so huge. There are fans of both teams invested in the outcome. There are gamblers and casinos literally invested in the outcome, plus fantasy football players. And, it happened on national TV. So, these kinds of calls get put under a microscope, as they should. Just imagine: We get a sack/fumble against Mahomes, but it gets called back like it did against the Chiefs on Monday. They end up scoring on the drive and go on to beat us by 3. Yes, you can always argue that we should have played better and we would have won, but, at the same time, if that situation happens, it's pretty obvious to see how that missed call would have affected the outcome.
I really wish Gene Steratore and that other former ref who does the in-game commentary on calls (forgot his name) would review the refs. And by that, I mean watch every game for one weekend and review every call/missed call to see how accurate the refs actually are. Of course, there are some "judgement calls" so there would still be some subjectivity to it, but it would give us a good idea of where they are really at.
It seems to me that every game, there are several calls or missed calls that seem obviously wrong. But, admittedly, I'm emotionally invested in the game so my game day perceptions are definitely not an objective way to judge the officials.
And, I think the other problem is that the impact of a mistake can be so huge. There are fans of both teams invested in the outcome. There are gamblers and casinos literally invested in the outcome, plus fantasy football players. And, it happened on national TV. So, these kinds of calls get put under a microscope, as they should. Just imagine: We get a sack/fumble against Mahomes, but it gets called back like it did against the Chiefs on Monday. They end up scoring on the drive and go on to beat us by 3. Yes, you can always argue that we should have played better and we would have won, but, at the same time, if that situation happens, it's pretty obvious to see how that missed call would have affected the outcome.
‘The NFL has a very sophisticated evaluation system,’ Frump told me. ‘Every single play is graded.’
Every week, Frump told me, every official’s performance on every play is reviewed by league staff members with on-field officiating experience. Further, Frump said, there’s ‘a live evaluation being done by somebody on-site,’ and the report from the observer is taken into account along with the film study grades.”
Re: NFL Has to Correct Their Bad Calls In Real Time
I think everyone should at least acknowledge the complexity and difficulty of the job. The easiest thing in the world to be is a critic.
Having said that there is room for improvement with the reffing. The 1st thing the NFL should do is make their officials full time and pay them benefits. These are part time guys that are all in other careers. No way they are as focused as they could be.
If they were full time you could require more off season training. They already grade the refs but what are the consequences if you have a bad game? Or if you're a bad ref? That should be made clear. Inspect what you expect. And finally I think every play should be reviewable and if a controversial play is not overturned the ref should explain why so the viewers can understand it (they do that now but it could be better).
The NFL is on borrowed time. More and more is going to come out about the damage the game causes to players brains. The average fan may or may not care but eventually far more significant changes are coming down the road. If the NFL was smart they would be getting far better helmets on their players. Helmets are marginally better now but they need to be WAY better even if the helmets don't look cool. Because as much as we all love the product the league is going to have to change or be bankrupted by lawsuits.
Bad calls happen, it’s part of the game. Rarely does a game come down to a single moment anyways.
People expecting perfection are asking to be disappointed.
I can get on board with that to a point. But the way things are is ridiculous then tell me you need an extra 22 minutes of commercial breaks so you can get the calls right? **** that. Don't buy into that ****.
I don't know how they do it but the NFL has the referee culture built in such a way the mindset of the referee is bias in the way they want it bias to gobble up a few more $$$$. The games are rigged by the referees. We are not talking about any kind of 'bad calls happen' reason when referees change the way they referee the game in the last 2 minutes and suddenly throw a flag they haven't thrown all day because they want the impact on the game. And the referee will turn around and tell you "well they were getting worried at that point about losing control of the penalty so they called it".
**** that. NFL referees are the worst human beings on the face of the earth and no one should do it because everyone refuses until the NFL makes real attempts to fix their system and actually value fair outcomes.
I think everyone should at least acknowledge the complexity and difficulty of the job. The easiest thing in the world to be is a critic.
Having said that there is room for improvement with the reffing. The 1st thing the NFL should do is make their officials full time and pay them benefits. These are part time guys that are all in other careers. No way they are as focused as they could be.
If they were full time you could require more off season training. They already grade the refs but what are the consequences if you have a bad game? Or if you're a bad ref? That should be made clear. Inspect what you expect. And finally I think every play should be reviewable and if a controversial play is not overturned the ref should explain why so the viewers can understand it (they do that now but it could be better).
The NFL is on borrowed time. More and more is going to come out about the damage the game causes to players brains. The average fan may or may not care but eventually far more significant changes are coming down the road. If the NFL was smart they would be getting far better helmets on their players. Helmets are marginally better now but they need to be WAY better even if the helmets don't look cool. Because as much as we all love the product the league is going to have to change or be bankrupted by lawsuits.
Who is going to sue them? Someone who signed a contract that assumed the risks? An NFL players body is part of the consideration. I do see the product being ruined for developmental reasons though as players can't develop if we stop letting our kids play football.
The job is very difficult. They also have the means to do much better and they don't.
I can get on board with that to a point. But the way things are is ridiculous then tell me you need an extra 22 minutes of commercial breaks so you can get the calls right? **** that. Don't buy into that ****.
I don't know how they do it but the NFL has the referee culture built in such a way the mindset of the referee is bias in the way they want it bias to gobble up a few more $$$$. The games are rigged by the referees. We are not talking about any kind of 'bad calls happen' reason when referees change the way they referee the game in the last 2 minutes and suddenly throw a flag they haven't thrown all day because they want the impact on the game. And the referee will turn around and tell you "well they were getting worried at that point about losing control of the penalty so they called it".
**** that. NFL referees are the worst human beings on the face of the earth and no one should do it because everyone refuses until the NFL makes real attempts to fix their system and actually value fair outcomes.
Well that got off the rails quickly.
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Originally posted by Dr.Lecter
We were both drunk and Hillary did not look that bad at 2 AM, I swear!!!!!!
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