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  • sahlensguy
    Registered User
    • Mar 2015
    • 13467

    #46
    Re: The Bills Have a QB Problem

    Originally posted by Woodman View Post
    Josh needs to trust himself and that other players deserve his confidence.

    He needs to relax and we need to keep him clean.

    He has to be given plays that spread the ball around.

    Some great coaches from the past would script plays.

    They would script them based on the opponents weaknesses we gotta do that as well.
    All good stuff. He needs a rock in his ear who beats that drum. Unfortunately I doubt that's McD and Dorsey is still finding himself. The good thing about Josh is how grounded his family seems to be. And that just isn't enough in this situation. I'm sure Diggs can be someone to lean on, but even a wr can only do so much.

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    • sahlensguy
      Registered User
      • Mar 2015
      • 13467

      #47
      Re: The Bills Have a QB Problem

      Originally posted by Bill Cody View Post
      I think he bounces off the Jersey barrier and back on the road
      Yeah, until there is a competent pilot, Josh is a bumper car.

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      • Woodman
        Legendary Zoner
        • Apr 2014
        • 65898

        #48
        Re: The Bills Have a QB Problem

        Originally posted by sahlensguy View Post
        Yeah, until there is a competent pilot, Josh is a bumper car.
        Always need a good co-pilot.

        “It breaks your heart when someone leaves and you don’t know why.”

        "It may be raining but there's a rainbow above you"


        Former President Donald Trump early Thursday touted the results of a new NPR/PBSNewsHour/Marist poll showing him ahead of President Joe Biden by 8 percentage points among independents.

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        • Woodman
          Legendary Zoner
          • Apr 2014
          • 65898

          #49
          Re: The Bills Have a QB Problem

          Originally posted by sahlensguy View Post
          All good stuff. He needs a rock in his ear who beats that drum. Unfortunately I doubt that's McD and Dorsey is still finding himself. The good thing about Josh is how grounded his family seems to be. And that just isn't enough in this situation. I'm sure Diggs can be someone to lean on, but even a wr can only do so much.
          Here's hoping we find the way of bringing Josh all the way up.

          “It breaks your heart when someone leaves and you don’t know why.”

          "It may be raining but there's a rainbow above you"


          Former President Donald Trump early Thursday touted the results of a new NPR/PBSNewsHour/Marist poll showing him ahead of President Joe Biden by 8 percentage points among independents.

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          • notacon
            Registered User
            • Aug 2012
            • 32994

            #50
            Re: The Bills Have a QB Problem

            No one “bailing” On Josh.

            But to blame the coaches is silly.

            JOSH is throwing the ball in places he should know better NOT to.

            Blaming Dorsey for not treating him like a raw rookie is just plain dumb.

            Josh has shown himself capable to be the BEST player and QB in the NFL.


            He's just is not doing so right now. Hence the undeniable fact that the Bills have a QB problem. Not forever. Probably not even again this season. But to deny that he is the problem is fooling oneself.....trying to make excuses for him by blaming the HC or OC or the LB’s or WR or Safeties is just plain silly.


            The analogy that "Dorsey got the keys to the Ferrari before he knew how to drive it” is really dumb.

            The direct driver of the Ferrari, Josh
            Allen, and is doing so directly into walls (or more realistically, directly into other cars, throwing terrible INTS DIRECTLY TO THEM) and should be cited for reckless driving.
            Last edited by notacon; 11-15-2022, 09:51 AM.

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            • sahlensguy
              Registered User
              • Mar 2015
              • 13467

              #51
              Re: The Bills Have a QB Problem

              Originally posted by notacon View Post
              No one “bailing” On Josh.

              But to blame the coaches is silly.

              JOSH is throwing the ball in places he should know better NOT to.

              Blaming Dorsey for not treating him like a raw rookie is just plain dumb.

              Josh has shown himself capable to be the BEST player and QB in the NFL.


              He's just is not doing so right now. Hence the undeniable fact that the Bills have a QB problem. Not forever. Probably not even again this season. But to deny that he is the problem is fooling oneself.....trying to make excuses for him by blaming the HC or OC or the LB’s or WR or Safeties is just plain silly.


              The analogy that "Dorsey got the keys to the Ferrari before he knew how to drive it” is really dumb.

              The direct driver of the Ferrari, Josh
              Allen, and is doing so directly into walls (or more realistically, directly into other cars, throwing terrible INTS DIRECTLY TO THEM) and should be cited for reckless driving.
              No one has the cred to cite him though. That is the issue.

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              • Mace
                Haha...yeah you think so ?
                • Mar 2013
                • 20315

                #52
                Re: The Bills Have a QB Problem

                To blame the coaches isn't silly, this is the 6th year of a program getting progressively more talented because of the GM, but the results remain similar. That's not singularly on a player, no matter which one. Coaches are supposed to lead, guide and direct what players two, compensate, adapt and find solutions via scheming and matchups.

                It's utterly stupid to completely ignore the impact of coaching 6 years into a program, even if someone only has a knowledge level that is elementary.

                Which coaches, that's debatable, but the impact of decisions has been very clear to date.

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                • Mace
                  Haha...yeah you think so ?
                  • Mar 2013
                  • 20315

                  #53
                  Re: The Bills Have a QB Problem

                  Originally posted by sahlensguy View Post
                  No one has the cred to cite him though. That is the issue.
                  I've never seen that mentality in Allen. You see that in Rodgers when he says anything, but I've never seen Allen full of himself. He was even humble about the Jets QB and referred to his own problems. He's going to sit there and watch film with Brady, Keenum and Barkley and be his own worst critic. He's going to look Diggs in the eye, talk to Morse, listen to his receivers, and answer for it all when anyone asks him. Allen will be fine if he's really healthy.

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                  • sahlensguy
                    Registered User
                    • Mar 2015
                    • 13467

                    #54
                    Re: The Bills Have a QB Problem

                    Originally posted by Mace View Post
                    I've never seen that mentality in Allen. You see that in Rodgers when he says anything, but I've never seen Allen full of himself. He was even humble about the Jets QB and referred to his own problems. He's going to sit there and watch film with Brady, Keenum and Barkley and be his own worst critic. He's going to look Diggs in the eye, talk to Morse, listen to his receivers, and answer for it all when anyone asks him. Allen will be fine if he's really healthy.
                    It's not a dig on Allen. It's just that his path to where he is now is so unique. He went from the corn fields to NFL mvp talks with little notice or collegiate success in between. Perhaps the most talented but raw prospect ever. Kudos to him to put in the work to be truly worthy of mvp consideration.

                    But he hasn't been in the league that long and has never won top honors. It was his lack of a college career of note that both fuels him in the NFL but can't add to his self confidence as a pro.

                    When things begin to go south for someone who doesn't have a rock solid foundation of success, things can really go south. Not just NFL qbs, either.

                    These coaches just aren't accomplished or competent enough to be part of a solid foundation for Josh, if and when he needs it.

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                    • gochiefs
                      Registered User
                      • Nov 2002
                      • 417

                      #55
                      Re: The Bills Have a QB Problem

                      Have you folks considered the UCL is affecting his throws? Not trolling, genuinely interested in this development and you all's take on this

                      Listen to Carson Palmer describe it's effects.



                      That sounds a LOT like what is happening here. If that ball has more velocity it gets there way before the DB can make a play on it. Instead, it just died.

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                      • Typ0
                        honey pie
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 32592

                        #56
                        Re: The Bills Have a QB Problem

                        Originally posted by sahlensguy View Post
                        It's not a dig on Allen. It's just that his path to where he is now is so unique. He went from the corn fields to NFL mvp talks with little notice or collegiate success in between. Perhaps the most talented but raw prospect ever. Kudos to him to put in the work to be truly worthy of mvp consideration.

                        But he hasn't been in the league that long and has never won top honors. It was his lack of a college career of note that both fuels him in the NFL but can't add to his self confidence as a pro.

                        When things begin to go south for someone who doesn't have a rock solid foundation of success, things can really go south. Not just NFL qbs, either.

                        These coaches just aren't accomplished or competent enough to be part of a solid foundation for Josh, if and when he needs it.
                        McDermott's saint Josh mentality has been driving that bus since Allen was drafted. Josh Allen is running the show not Sean McDermott. You can call that all Allen's fault if you want.

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                        • Typ0
                          honey pie
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 32592

                          #57
                          Re: The Bills Have a QB Problem

                          Wasn't there a game earlier in the year it looked like the coaches did something brilliant and it turned out to be Josh Allen's work? \\

                          I can live with a string of bad INTs without getting too much in an uproar to be honest. He's got to grow through some of the intricacies of trying to be consistent throwing the ball around the way he does. The fumble I have no words for...like all you need to do is not fumble you literally can GIVE UP POINTS on the play and win the game and you fumble? The focus isn't there. Maybe a bad batch of ginko biloba.

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                          • sahlensguy
                            Registered User
                            • Mar 2015
                            • 13467

                            #58
                            Re: The Bills Have a QB Problem

                            Originally posted by Typ0 View Post
                            McDermott's saint Josh mentality has been driving that bus since Allen was drafted. Josh Allen is running the show not Sean McDermott. You can call that all Allen's fault if you want.
                            When did I ever say that McD is even capable of running the show to the SB and when did I ever blame Allen for the inability of the coaches?

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                            • Goobylal
                              Registered User
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 19367

                              #59
                              Re: The Bills Have a QB Problem

                              Josh is A reason for the 3 losses, but he had help. Lots of it. How many 3rd and 4th and longs did the defense allow in the Vikings' last drive in regulation? How many dropped passes were there in the games overall? What about protection? Fumbles by other players? To pin it all on him when he IS the offense is unfair at best.

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                              • Typ0
                                honey pie
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 32592

                                #60
                                Re: The Bills Have a QB Problem

                                Originally posted by sahlensguy View Post
                                When did I ever say that McD is even capable of running the show to the SB and when did I ever blame Allen for the inability of the coaches?
                                Sorry. I was talking to notty actually just through you. :peacepipe:

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