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    The D and their Health

    Players on D missing extended time/games this year

    Hyde, Poyer, White, Elam, Benford, Jackson, Edmunds, Milano, Oliver, Phillips, Settle, Rousseau, Epenesa and now Miller.

    Why the struggles ? No need to contact Holmes on Baker St.


    And yet they are still 8-3

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    Re: The D and their Health

    Do we need to be paying more attention to conditioning?



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    Re: The D and their Health

    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman View Post
    Do we need to be paying more attention to conditioning?
    Naw, that won't help with ankle injuries.

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    Re: The D and their Health

    I'm excited about getting some of those guys back and well rested for the run.

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    Re: The D and their Health

    Quote Originally Posted by Forward_Lateral View Post
    Naw, that won't help with ankle injuries.
    Ankle pumps are what they have you do after a knee replacement.

    You can always condition.

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    Re: The D and their Health

    Quote Originally Posted by Night Train View Post
    Players on D missing extended time/games this year

    Hyde, Poyer, White, Elam, Benford, Jackson, Edmunds, Milano, Oliver, Phillips, Settle, Rousseau, Epenesa and now Miller.

    Why the struggles ? No need to contact Holmes on Baker St.


    And yet they are still 8-3

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    I'm sorry guys, go Bills!
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    Re: The D and their Health

    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman View Post
    Ankle pumps are what they have you do after a knee replacement.

    You can always condition.
    Those are to prevent DVT post op

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forward_Lateral View Post
    Those are to prevent DVT post op
    Deep vein thrombosis (DVT)

    My ankles feel stronger already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman View Post
    Ankle pumps are what they have you do after a knee replacement.
    ****, it’s not for your penis?

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    ****, it’s not for your penis?


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    Re: The D and their Health

    Quote Originally Posted by Forward_Lateral View Post
    Naw, that won't help with ankle injuries.
    You are aware that just sometimes they list the wrong injury location by accident or is it on purpose I can't remember right now.

    The question remains are we a well conditioned team?

    Some of these guys just look a bit gassed too often to me.

    Maybe a few should be running laps lots of laps.

    Endurance has its advantages.

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    Re: The D and their Health

    The injuries are absolutely huge, but I feel they've progressively upgraded talent level to overcome scheme weakness. "Well, when we have enough talent it will work." Sure, but enough talent will overcome just about anything if you load up on enough of it.

    I see a consistency when all the talent isn't there. The soft pass coverage and being gashed by running games, tackling problems ("that's the way to do it men, slap at their shoulders"). They plug in less talent and hope it works doing the same things. I think it's pretty conclusive it doesn't work.

    Talented coaching will innovate, adapt and adjust to compensate. McFrazier is not capable of any of those. I think that's also conclusive in their 6th year.

    Injuries are also, frankly a problem in banking on filling holes with aging vet fa's. That's why you pay attention to your talent pipeline.

    These less experienced guys are getting blooded. It will make them better in the long term, and that's encouraging for sustained success in the long run, but they've overbalanced for the short run.

    This team could have gone to the Super Bowl with last year's roster. Sure they're 8-3. I'm happy about it. But the scheme as it stands is butter waiting for hot knives every week. It's blue skies to think every one will be back for a playoff run, we're not even cemented into the playoffs yet.

    On the defensive side, McFrazier needs to prove their years of defensive experience actually add something to the equation. There's a limit to how much talent you can realistically load a roster with, and we're about at it. Whether it gets hurt or not is always a wild card.

    Imho.
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    Re: The D and their Health

    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman View Post
    You are aware that just sometimes they list the wrong injury location by accident or is it on purpose I can't remember right now.

    The question remains are we a well conditioned team?

    Some of these guys just look a bit gassed too often to me.

    Maybe a few should be running laps lots of laps.

    Endurance has its advantages.
    I have questioned if some of these symptoms were not due to the style of rotation they employ. They try to vertically load the effort across the roster as best they can and end up opposing players who are fresh coming off the bench for example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mace View Post
    The injuries are absolutely huge, but I feel they've progressively upgraded talent level to overcome scheme weakness. "Well, when we have enough talent it will work." Sure, but enough talent will overcome just about anything if you load up on enough of it.

    I see a consistency when all the talent isn't there. The soft pass coverage and being gashed by running games, tackling problems ("that's the way to do it men, slap at their shoulders"). They plug in less talent and hope it works doing the same things. I think it's pretty conclusive it doesn't work.

    Talented coaching will innovate, adapt and adjust to compensate. McFrazier is not capable of any of those. I think that's also conclusive in their 6th year.

    Injuries are also, frankly a problem in banking on filling holes with aging vet fa's. That's why you pay attention to your talent pipeline.

    These less experienced guys are getting blooded. It will make them better in the long term, and that's encouraging for sustained success in the long run, but they've overbalanced for the short run.

    This team could have gone to the Super Bowl with last year's roster. Sure they're 8-3. I'm happy about it. But the scheme as it stands is butter waiting for hot knives every week. It's blue skies to think every one will be back for a playoff run, we're not even cemented into the playoffs yet.

    On the defensive side, McFrazier needs to prove their years of defensive experience actually add something to the equation. There's a limit to how much talent you can realistically load a roster with, and we're about at it. Whether it gets hurt or not is always a wild card.

    Imho.
    They are really huge on what they are asking the players to do ... they need to worry more about giving them the things they can do best. Especially when the youth starts to enter the lineup. Just having people get caught up because they are struggling to know what they have to do -- then whining about poor execution is escapist bull****.

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    I'm hoping by the end of the season the narrative is "looking back the Bills were really intelligent about how they handled their injured players and that's a huge factor in why they are Super Bowl champions right now".
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    Quote Originally Posted by YardRat View Post
    I'm hoping by the end of the season the narrative is "looking back the Bills were really intelligent about how they handled their injured players and that's a huge factor in why they are Super Bowl champions right now".
    I'm hoping the same thing but suspect it will be more of "this and this fa signing will get us over the top", or "draft this guy and that will complete the team" because more talent will overcome middlin' coaching, and surely everyone will stay healthy for 16 games so nothing else will matter.

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    Re: The D and their Health

    Injuries have exposed the secondary the most. Not ideal in a pass happy league. Forces the Bills to win more close games.

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    Re: The D and their Health

    Quote Originally Posted by Night Train View Post
    Injuries have exposed the secondary the most. Not ideal in a pass happy league. Forces the Bills to win more close games.
    Absolutely agree. But a good DC or cumulative defensive experience will scheme to mitigate it and not just plug and play and hope. Like maybe don't line the dbs up 10-15 away, bring the safeties in closer, find ways to force opponent qb to throw faster with creative blitzes, move people around....try to compensate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mace View Post
    Absolutely agree. But a good DC or cumulative defensive experience will scheme to mitigate it and not just plug and play and hope. Like maybe don't line the dbs up 10-15 away, bring the safeties in closer, find ways to force opponent qb to throw faster with creative blitzes, move people around....try to compensate.
    You know damn well that's not going to happen.

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