Fire Frazier

[Woodman]

Re: Fire Frazier

The Chiefs played two high a lot and won, lots of Quarters coverage, lots of two deep shells. If Frazier was watching he was probably thinking he's vindicated. LOL

The difference is they have Chris Jones, The Greek, Frank Clark, and they actually got pressure.

Sad but he probably does believe that.

[Gibby 2.0]

Re: Fire Frazier

I am revisiting this thread. Yeah, the Chiefs got pressure consistently and we did not. That is on Frazier. Fire his ass

[Woodman]

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They blitzed at just the right times.

[Woodman]

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You must create pressure if it's with 4 that's incredible but if you need 5 or sometimes 6 you gotta go for it.

[kscdogbillsfan1221]

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Nah you’re wrong
i enjoy rushing four, never getting to the quarterback and dropping the corners off 15 yards on 3rd and 8

works every time


and when it doesn’t work, it’s probably the secondary coach fault. Since it’s his game plan and all and all his players were either injured or died on the field

[YardRat]

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Unfortunately the DC talent pool looks pretty thin and there is decent competition for spots.

There are at least three opening still (Minnesota, Houston, Tampa?) and who is out there? Wilks? Flores? Ron Rivera if he gets canned in DC?

I didn't watch much of Carolina the last few seasons but don't they play the same shells as Frazier to limit the pass?

[Woodman]

Re: Fire Frazier

Nah you’re wrong
i enjoy rushing four, never getting to the quarterback and dropping the corners off 15 yards on 3rd and 8

works every time


and when it doesn’t work, it’s probably the secondary coach fault. Since it’s his game plan and all and all his players were either injured or died on the field

I know who's playing to win anyway

[sahlensguy]

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Frazier is the prime scapegoat.

The lack of attention to the other side of the ball is the biggest problem, shared by McDorsbeane.

[Mr. Pink]

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Frazier has no bag of tricks. Burrow struggled against man, so they played zone where he thrived. Burrow thrives against a 4 man rush so even when they blitzed, they dropped a lineman into coverage and only rushed 4. Tackling is an issue, that's defensive fundamentals, been years. They line up softer than the 1st down marker on 3rd downs and long yardage.

That's all McFrazier, joined at the hip.

Outside of Elam, none of the other corners on this roster are man corners. You're not going to scheme against what your talent can do. Even though I saw where you posted that Burrow was 2 of 9 against man. The problem is when you're playing zone you better have a pass rush or the better receivers of this league, like Higgins and Chase, are going to find holes in the zone if you allow the QB 3 seconds+ to throw the ball.

Like I said that's not Frazier's problem that he doesn't have the proper talent to run a scheme that we're trying to do here and what was assembled, that's a McBeane problem for not giving him the right tools to run the defense properly.

Square peg, round hole.

Regular season football this is masked because you're not playing Burrow or Mahomes every week...but you even saw a guy like Kirk Cousins light up this defense because the talent just isn't there.

[Mr. Pink]

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I agree with the rest of your post. Frazier is absolutely part of the problem. I don't know that ditching him would help since he's here to implement McDermotts love of conservative defense. That's why he's part of the problem.

Who do you bring to coach this group of underachievers and never wills though?

And then when whomever that is doesn't work, is he also the problem?

Coaching can only go so far if you don't have the talent.

[notacon]

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“INSANE OVERREACTION for $1,000, Alex"


Jesus. The defense played extremely well this season, despite the multiple injuries. Frazier is not going anywhere, nor should he.

The offense was unreliable at times, but still played very well this season. In many respects, better than in 2021.

A few boneheaded plays, mostly by Josh Allen, cost us the three tight losses we had.

The offense was absent in the Cincy game. I have detailed out the facts. Scoring only 10 points hardly ever wins you any games. And replacing Dorsey is NOT the solution.

[sukie]

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“INSANE OVERREACTION for $1,000, Alex"


Jesus. The defense played extremely well this season, despite the multiple injuries. Frazier is not going anywhere, nor should he.

The offense was unreliable at times, but still played very well this season. In many respects, better than in 2021.

A few boneheaded plays, mostly by Josh Allen, cost us the three tight losses we had.

The offense was absent in the Cincy game. I have detailed out the facts. Scoring only 10 points hardly ever wins you any games. And replacing Dorsey is NOT the solution.

Josh allowed 2 easy consecutive TDs in a home playoff game in bad weather and Josh also failed to pressure Burrow going against backups . Don’t forget.

The 10 seconds debacle is tough to overlook when your incredibly healthy D had no answer for the Bengals.

there is a trend and I see it as a base 4-2-5 doesn’t work with Buffalo when you really need it.

Miami game 2 thru 3 showed how to beat the 4-2-5.

maybe players more suited and younger are needed.

if you are accepting of this 3rd place finish in the AFC… I commend you.

this off-season will show us what the assistant Head coach is made of… if he’s still in Buffalo.

[Mace]

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Outside of Elam, none of the other corners on this roster are man corners. You're not going to scheme against what your talent can do. Even though I saw where you posted that Burrow was 2 of 9 against man. The problem is when you're playing zone you better have a pass rush or the better receivers of this league, like Higgins and Chase, are going to find holes in the zone if you allow the QB 3 seconds+ to throw the ball.

Like I said that's not Frazier's problem that he doesn't have the proper talent to run a scheme that we're trying to do here and what was assembled, that's a McBeane problem for not giving him the right tools to run the defense properly.

Square peg, round hole.

Regular season football this is masked because you're not playing Burrow or Mahomes every week...but you even saw a guy like Kirk Cousins light up this defense because the talent just isn't there.

I can't say how he finishes his recovery but Tre White was also good at man.

Here's the thing, if you don't have the talent for your scheme, you scheme for your talent, you should be scheming for your talent anyway, or you have the classic square peg round hole. Cookie schooled me on this once.

They've been through a lot of players looking to elevate the scheme, it's the scheme that needs to elevate the available players. Frazier and McDermott have over 40 years of NFL defensive experience and have no solutions, innovation, or creativity, no flexibility. A player goes down, keep running the same scheme with degrading results. Other teams and coordinators adapt, they disguise coverages, run stunts, design unexpected blitzes, line people up in unexpected places, shrink the zones to cover a less capable player, adjust the shell, adapt the scheme to what they have, not who they wish they had.

If McFrazier is incapable of adapting, the good teams know exactly what they'll be facing when they play us, because the film is pristine, nothing will change.

That's a coaching inadequacy, hombre.

[Mace]

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Unfortunately the DC talent pool looks pretty thin and there is decent competition for spots.

There are at least three opening still (Minnesota, Houston, Tampa?) and who is out there? Wilks? Flores? Ron Rivera if he gets canned in DC?

I didn't watch much of Carolina the last few seasons but don't they play the same shells as Frazier to limit the pass?

Sadly, the best Tampa 2 guy is, haha, Lovie Smith !!

Ejiro Evero should be a target. He's worked under Fangio, Wade Phillips, Dom Capers, a lot of 4-3. His future is up in the air. About his philosophy :

https://www.nfl.com/news/broncos-dc-ejiro-evero-there-will-be-a-lot-of-carryover-from-vic-fangio-s-defens

However, we shall stick with Leslie, no doubt.

[Typ0]

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The sad thing is the defense needs quite a retooling right now. You might as well call it a rebuild.

They are going to go about trying to rebuild the same thing. Sure, they will disguise it a bit and talk about how much they have learned because of the growth mindset and present some changes .... which is going to be your basic hogwash for the same tired thing.

This offseason we should be trying to improve -- and that is a huge task! The whole situation is threatening to set the franchise back at least 3 - 5 years and Pegula is the only person who can stop that from happening.