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    Re: We dont need more weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by sukie View Post
    Wish you had the split numbers for last half of 2021 vs last half of 2022. Bills manhandled early opponents
    Decline in offense happened when Josh Allen hurt his elbow. Still think his injury was worse than what he and the team let on.

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    Re: We dont need more weapons

    We need a healthy elbow!


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    Re: We dont need more weapons

    Singletary isn't a threat. Cook goes down too easy. McKenzie has always been a #5. Davis was a really good #4 behind Diggs, Sanders, and Beasley, but he's not a consistent #2 now that defenses are aware. Knox is solid but we don't ever feature him. Hines is meh.

    Diggs is really it and defenses figured out that if you limit him, we don't have anyone else.

    Couple that with a progressively more porous O-line and you have the disaster yesterday.

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    Re: We dont need more weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Pink View Post
    For those of you who just want to blame the OC and sure he deserves some blame as well.

    Number 2 scoring offense in 2022, number 3 scoring offense in 2021.

    Number 7 passing and number 7 rushing for 2nd overall offense in 2022, number 9 in passing and number 6 in rushing for 5th overall offense in 2021.

    As far as reigning Josh Allen in on the hero ball aspect? 14 INTs in 2022, 15 INTs in 2021.

    Pretty much exactly the same over the course of an entire season.

    Josh Allen makes both Daboll and Dorsey look better than they actually are.
    I know the stats don't lie, but neither do the eyes. Our offense just never seemed to be fully in a grove after the first couple weeks of the season. There wasn't one game where we played like we did at the end of last season or in the playoffs last year. Or like the Bengals offense played yesterday. Maybe it was Dorsey, or maybe it was lack of talent behind Diggs. But it was something.
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    Re: We dont need more weapons

    Also, Dorsey isn't ready to lead a Super Bowl offense and I think he and Kromer never got on the same page.

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    Re: We dont need more weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Pink View Post
    For those of you who just want to blame the OC and sure he deserves some blame as well.

    Number 2 scoring offense in 2022, number 3 scoring offense in 2021.

    Number 7 passing and number 7 rushing for 2nd overall offense in 2022, number 9 in passing and number 6 in rushing for 5th overall offense in 2021.

    As far as reigning Josh Allen in on the hero ball aspect? 14 INTs in 2022, 15 INTs in 2021.

    Pretty much exactly the same over the course of an entire season.

    Josh Allen makes both Daboll and Dorsey look better than they actually are.
    Very similar stats compared to last year. The trend to me is the long ball. More yards per attempt and more yards per completion, but the one that sticks out is he had 47 fewer 1st downs this year. Less patience, more hero. Not to mention the troubles in the red zone.

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    Re: We dont need more weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by ParanoidAndroid View Post
    Singletary isn't a threat. Cook goes down too easy. McKenzie has always been a #5. Davis was a really good #4 behind Diggs, Sanders, and Beasley, but he's not a consistent #2 now that defenses are aware. Knox is solid but we don't ever feature him. Hines is meh.

    Diggs is really it and defenses figured out that if you limit him, we don't have anyone else.

    Couple that with a progressively more porous O-line and you have the disaster yesterday.
    The team needs an explosive playmaker in the ilk of guys like Tyreek Hill, Deebo Samuel, CeeDee Lamb...a guy you can get the ball to quickly out in space and he can make a guy or two miss and turn a 3 yard slant or out into a 20+ yard gain. Or a guy who you can run fly or post patterns with to take the top off a defense and allow the underneath to be open for Diggs or Knox or another Beasley type receiver, if not him directly, for easy 7-12 yard pickups.

    McKenzie isn't the guy to do this even though some people, and the team, thought he was based on a couple good games he had.
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    Re: We dont need more weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by Saratoga Slim View Post
    I know the stats don't lie, but neither do the eyes. Our offense just never seemed to be fully in a grove after the first couple weeks of the season. There wasn't one game where we played like we did at the end of last season or in the playoffs last year. Or like the Bengals offense played yesterday. Maybe it was Dorsey, or maybe it was lack of talent behind Diggs. But it was something.
    Elbow definitely part of it.

    We'll need to wait and see now.

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    Re: We dont need more weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by ParanoidAndroid View Post
    Also, Dorsey isn't ready to lead a Super Bowl offense and I think he and Kromer never got on the same page.
    And the longer he sticks around, the longer prime Josh is wasted.

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    Re: We dont need more weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by sahlensguy View Post
    And the longer he sticks around, the longer prime Josh is wasted.
    He won't be here more than another 1-3 years, another season like this offensively and he'll start getting phone calls for HC positions.

    At worst, another 3 seasons like this one offensively and someone is hiring him.

    That's the effect Josh Allen has.

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    Re: We dont need more weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Pink View Post
    He won't be here more than another 1-3 years, another season like this offensively and he'll start getting phone calls for HC positions.

    At worst, another 3 seasons like this one offensively and someone is hiring him.

    That's the effect Josh Allen has.
    Dorsey could get a raise to stay as well. Hey, with Kim's poor health condition, accountability for sound football moves at the top has taken a big blow. Could be status quo from here on out. Hope not.

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    Re: We dont need more weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Pink View Post
    Decline in offense happened when Josh Allen hurt his elbow. Still think his injury was worse than what he and the team let on.
    Still remembering Josh shoveling his driveway in a short sleeves. If it was all hurt, he wasn't taking very good care of it.

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    Re: We dont need more weapons

    We need a QB that understands what it means to use those weapons appropriately in the playoffs versus just lighting up the scoreboard against lightweights in the regular season.
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    Re: We dont need more weapons

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    We need a QB that understands what it means to use those weapons appropriately in the playoffs versus just lighting up the scoreboard against lightweights in the regular season.
    Ken Dorsey, lol.

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    Re: We dont need more weapons

    I would let Mckenzie go and see of we can get this guy back instead.

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    Re: We dont need more weapons

    How can you say we don't need more weapons when we sent 4 WRs to a game this season? Do we even have a #2 receiver? No!

    Not totally arguing your points but we need new coaches and more weapons.

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    Re: We dont need more weapons

    The whole idea of “we don’t need more weapons” is a pure knee jerk reaction that has little footing in reality....especially if one just looks around the league.

    The biggest issue this season was the falloff of the offense. Too inconsistent. No threats to keep the pressure off Diggs. Too dependent on Josh Allen being superman. Even yesterday, the offense was the big failure in not taking advantage of the opportunities presented to them.

    As KC has shown us year after year, defense is nice, but dynamic, dangerous offense trumps that every time....just like Cincy’s dynamic offence minimized the Bills (up until then) very good defense (missing DaQuan Jones was huge).

    Gabe Davis, McKenzie, Singletary, Cook (at least so far), Shakir (so far) and even Knox are not comparable weapons to every single of the four teams that are left in the playoffs.

    KC:

    Pacheco
    JuJu Smith-Schuster
    Hardman
    Valdes-Scantling
    Kelce

    And especially Patrick Mahomes (who has shown he is head and shoulders better than Josh Allen)

    Cincy:

    Ja’Marr Chase (better than Diggs)
    Joe Mixon
    Tee Higgins
    Tyler Boyd

    And especially Joe Burrow who has now surpassed Josh Allen at QB.

    Philly:

    AJ Brown (better than Diggs)
    Davonte Smith
    Dallas Goedert
    Miles Sanders

    San Fran:

    McCaffrey
    Kittle
    Aiyuk
    Deebo Samuel

    ALL better than the Bills players mentioned above.

    Cook might develop into a real RB. The Bills needs to draft another one. (BTW, I wanted the Bills to draft Najee Harris (they should have moved up to get him) and Breece Hall....can anyone doubt that this would be much better team with either of those at RB????) It is critical the Bills improve their running game....from RB’s.

    Davis is just not a reliable #2 WR. He should stay for 2023 because he’s cheap ($2.9M cap hit), but the Bills MUST find a real threat at WR#2. OBJ is a perfect fit. JuJu Smith-Schuster is a UFA and could probably be signed for a relatively reasonable cost. He would be a clear upgrade over Davis.

    Plus they have to consider a spending high value draft pick on a WR.

    McKenzie has got to be cut. It would save $2.6M in cap space for 2023.

    Crowder could be a viable replacement, we really never got to see what he could do. And he would be cheap for another 1 year contract.

    The Bills absolutely need “more weapons”. (Not so say that they don’t need other upgrades...they addressed the pass rush last year with Von Miller and his injury was a HUGE blow) They have no chance to get better and attempt to surpass KC and Cincy unless they do.

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    Re: We dont need more weapons

    We had these conversations when Daboll was here, some would say Daboll sucks and others would point to Josh playing hero ball and not hitting open receivers.
    This year it's Dorsey sucks, and others are pointing out Josh playing too much hero ball and not hitting open receivers.
    If a change is made I'm pretty confident next season will be Brady sucks and others will claim Josh is playing too much hero ball and not hitting open receivers.

    Daboll...Dorsey...Brady or whoever...the common thread is Josh playing stupid, not the OC.

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    Re: We dont need more weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Pink View Post
    Decline in offense happened when Josh Allen hurt his elbow. Still think his injury was worse than what he and the team let on.
    Offense was a juggernaut heading into the bye, Allen was on a pace to break Peyton Manning's single season passing yards record.

    Allen was wobbly coming out of the bye against the Packers, next game was the Jets and he was more wobbly. Injury happened near the end of the Jets game, so the decline actually started sooner.

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    Re: We dont need more weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by YardRat View Post
    We had these conversations when Daboll was here, some would say Daboll sucks and others would point to Josh playing hero ball and not hitting open receivers.
    This year it's Dorsey sucks, and others are pointing out Josh playing too much hero ball and not hitting open receivers.
    If a change is made I'm pretty confident next season will be Brady sucks and others will claim Josh is playing too much hero ball and not hitting open receivers.

    Daboll...Dorsey...Brady or whoever...the common thread is Josh playing stupid, not the OC.

    I think a lot of people understood daboll was great, i didnt see a lot of "good hes gone" posts. My biggest issue was his lack of balance or building of the OL. Passing game wise, his concepts worked and our receivers got open under them. Same core, and theyre blanketed all game now
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