We dont need more weapons

[sahlensguy]

Re: We dont need more weapons

Cowherd summed it up. He said Cincy had a game plan. Short quick crisp plays to match down field… Buffalo was just calling plays 3 and out. No plan.

We were once a first down gaining juggernaut. 8 or 9 1st down td drives. That was last season and somehow went out the window this year. No patience at all and I blame Dorsey for not reigning in Allen. More mismanagement of a talented qb with a weak foundation to come...

[Woodman]

Re: We dont need more weapons

It hurts when it isn’t good enough so my suggestion make it good enough. We lost 4 consecutive Super Bowls we know disappointment better than anybody. We have an awesome QB get him a line and get him the best QB coach possible. Josh is so close .... making quicker decisions is such a huge part of it. Should we script the 1st 10 to 15 plays for him similar to the Bill Walsh approach? Please don't waste this talent. The Bengals overcame their OL concern with a smart simple approach "get rid of the ball quickly" it covered their weakness and exploited our defense at the same time. Our OC should move on unless he can adapt to condition .... so far he hasn't shown that he can.

[Mr. Pink]

Re: We dont need more weapons

For those of you who just want to blame the OC and sure he deserves some blame as well.

Number 2 scoring offense in 2022, number 3 scoring offense in 2021.

Number 7 passing and number 7 rushing for 2nd overall offense in 2022, number 9 in passing and number 6 in rushing for 5th overall offense in 2021.

As far as reigning Josh Allen in on the hero ball aspect? 14 INTs in 2022, 15 INTs in 2021.

Pretty much exactly the same over the course of an entire season.

Josh Allen makes both Daboll and Dorsey look better than they actually are.

[Woodman]

Re: We dont need more weapons

It hurts when it isn’t good enough so my suggestion make it good enough. We lost 4 consecutive Super Bowls we know disappointment better than anybody. We have an awesome QB get him a line and get him the best QB coach possible. Josh is so close .... making quicker decisions is such a huge part of it. Should we script the 1st 10 to 15 plays for him similar to the Bill Walsh approach? Please don't waste this talent. The Bengals overcame their OL concern with a smart simple approach "get rid of the ball quickly" it covered their weakness and exploited our defense at the same time. Our OC should move on unless he can adapt to condition .... so far he hasn't shown that he can.

Keep it smart keep it simple.

[sukie]

Re: We dont need more weapons

For those of you who just want to blame the OC and sure he deserves some blame as well.

Number 2 scoring offense in 2022, number 3 scoring offense in 2021.

Number 7 passing and number 7 rushing for 2nd overall offense in 2022, number 9 in passing and number 6 in rushing for 5th overall offense in 2021.

As far as reigning Josh Allen in on the hero ball aspect? 14 INTs in 2022, 15 INTs in 2021.

Pretty much exactly the same over the course of an entire season.

Josh Allen makes both Daboll and Dorsey look better than they actually are.

Wish you had the split numbers for last half of 2021 vs last half of 2022. Bills manhandled early opponents

[Mr. Pink]

Re: We dont need more weapons

Wish you had the split numbers for last half of 2021 vs last half of 2022. Bills manhandled early opponents

Decline in offense happened when Josh Allen hurt his elbow. Still think his injury was worse than what he and the team let on.

[Woodman]

Re: We dont need more weapons

We need a healthy elbow!

[ParanoidAndroid]

Re: We dont need more weapons

Singletary isn't a threat. Cook goes down too easy. McKenzie has always been a #5. Davis was a really good #4 behind Diggs, Sanders, and Beasley, but he's not a consistent #2 now that defenses are aware. Knox is solid but we don't ever feature him. Hines is meh.

Diggs is really it and defenses figured out that if you limit him, we don't have anyone else.

Couple that with a progressively more porous O-line and you have the disaster yesterday.

[Saratoga Slim]

Re: We dont need more weapons

For those of you who just want to blame the OC and sure he deserves some blame as well.

Number 2 scoring offense in 2022, number 3 scoring offense in 2021.

Number 7 passing and number 7 rushing for 2nd overall offense in 2022, number 9 in passing and number 6 in rushing for 5th overall offense in 2021.

As far as reigning Josh Allen in on the hero ball aspect? 14 INTs in 2022, 15 INTs in 2021.

Pretty much exactly the same over the course of an entire season.

Josh Allen makes both Daboll and Dorsey look better than they actually are.

I know the stats don't lie, but neither do the eyes. Our offense just never seemed to be fully in a grove after the first couple weeks of the season. There wasn't one game where we played like we did at the end of last season or in the playoffs last year. Or like the Bengals offense played yesterday. Maybe it was Dorsey, or maybe it was lack of talent behind Diggs. But it was something.

[ParanoidAndroid]

Re: We dont need more weapons

Also, Dorsey isn't ready to lead a Super Bowl offense and I think he and Kromer never got on the same page.

[sahlensguy]

Re: We dont need more weapons

For those of you who just want to blame the OC and sure he deserves some blame as well.

Number 2 scoring offense in 2022, number 3 scoring offense in 2021.

Number 7 passing and number 7 rushing for 2nd overall offense in 2022, number 9 in passing and number 6 in rushing for 5th overall offense in 2021.

As far as reigning Josh Allen in on the hero ball aspect? 14 INTs in 2022, 15 INTs in 2021.

Pretty much exactly the same over the course of an entire season.

Josh Allen makes both Daboll and Dorsey look better than they actually are.

Very similar stats compared to last year. The trend to me is the long ball. More yards per attempt and more yards per completion, but the one that sticks out is he had 47 fewer 1st downs this year. Less patience, more hero. Not to mention the troubles in the red zone.

[Mr. Pink]

Re: We dont need more weapons

Singletary isn't a threat. Cook goes down too easy. McKenzie has always been a #5. Davis was a really good #4 behind Diggs, Sanders, and Beasley, but he's not a consistent #2 now that defenses are aware. Knox is solid but we don't ever feature him. Hines is meh.

Diggs is really it and defenses figured out that if you limit him, we don't have anyone else.

Couple that with a progressively more porous O-line and you have the disaster yesterday.

The team needs an explosive playmaker in the ilk of guys like Tyreek Hill, Deebo Samuel, CeeDee Lamb...a guy you can get the ball to quickly out in space and he can make a guy or two miss and turn a 3 yard slant or out into a 20+ yard gain. Or a guy who you can run fly or post patterns with to take the top off a defense and allow the underneath to be open for Diggs or Knox or another Beasley type receiver, if not him directly, for easy 7-12 yard pickups.

McKenzie isn't the guy to do this even though some people, and the team, thought he was based on a couple good games he had.

[Woodman]

Re: We dont need more weapons

I know the stats don't lie, but neither do the eyes. Our offense just never seemed to be fully in a grove after the first couple weeks of the season. There wasn't one game where we played like we did at the end of last season or in the playoffs last year. Or like the Bengals offense played yesterday. Maybe it was Dorsey, or maybe it was lack of talent behind Diggs. But it was something.

Elbow definitely part of it.

We'll need to wait and see now.

[sahlensguy]

Re: We dont need more weapons

Also, Dorsey isn't ready to lead a Super Bowl offense and I think he and Kromer never got on the same page.

And the longer he sticks around, the longer prime Josh is wasted.

[Mr. Pink]

Re: We dont need more weapons

And the longer he sticks around, the longer prime Josh is wasted.

He won't be here more than another 1-3 years, another season like this offensively and he'll start getting phone calls for HC positions.

At worst, another 3 seasons like this one offensively and someone is hiring him.

That's the effect Josh Allen has.