The Fire McDermott Thread

[sahlensguy]

Dorsey isn't the problem..

What on earth has Dorsey EVER done to warrant this pass?

[Borosai]

After 13 seconds, Frazier should've been fired, and McD should've been given another year to prove he can even lead the team to a SB. And here we are, with another playoff no show. Not just a loss... they weren't even slightly competitive, at home. Another season with more empty words and no improvement.

You can thank McD all you want for turning this team into a playoff team. That's great, but if that's his ceiling, what's the point? Fabulous playoff losses every year. If he stays, both coordinators need to be replaced by the best to make up for what he lacks.

[BuffaloBlitz83]

Dorsey isn't the problem.

Frasier and Josh are.

You’ve lost it. How is Josh the problem. He’s our entire offense. He’s running for his life. Replace Josh Allen with a guy like Carr or even Aaron Rodgers we aren’t winning East last year.

[Typ0]

Please. All but a half dozen teams would kill to have a QB "mismanaged" like Josh Allen has been.

The only person mismanaging Josh is Josh himself.

No. Josh is being allowed to mismanage himself because he doesn't have the proper guidelines and guidance. He's being placed into a situation that is not favorable then expected to succeed because he's Josh Allen and he can overcome it. Unfortunately, Josh Allen can't overcome himself and the tools and structure are not there to protect him.

According to McDermott every player fails to execute well here and there and it always ends up equaling our losses. At what point is McDermott responsible to put them into a better situation they can actually execute consistently in?

[Typ0]

You’ve lost it. How is Josh the problem. He’s our entire offense. He’s running for his life. Replace Josh Allen with a guy like Carr or even Aaron Rodgers we aren’t winning East last year.

Josh is the problem because everything is designed to let Josh Allen be Josh Allen. We should be seeing Josh Allen make plays AND a team that can execute basic football not struggle to run and catch.

[Novacane]

Marvin Lewis never won a playoff game...ever...so McD already isn't 'our version'.

He'll be our Marty Schottonheimer

[Mace]

He'll be our Marty Schottonheimer

Remember here when people were actually clamoring for Martyball ? Finally happened.

[Kenny]

I dont think the players on offense are terrible. Are our WRs overrated? absolutely. And honestly, i dont know what any one sees with Cook. He looks like a very smooth runner out there, but I dont see quickness, I dont see speed, and I certainly dont see any power. That said, as a unit we're above average, and despite Josh disappearing yesterday, he has shown many many times that he can put this team on his shoulders and win. Need to give Dorsey another shot given how the first 6 weeks of this season.

The defense though... I honestly dont know what to do.

• Poyer's done.
• Hyde.. he's getting up there in age and who knows what he'll look like after this injury.
• I dont mind Edmunds, even though he didnt play yesterday (yes... sarcasm). Someone is going to overpay for him, so he's gone
• White... and the rest of the corners? I think they were spoiled by Poyer and Hyde, who really made this defense work.
• Rousseau, he's looked average vs the pass to above average vs. the run. Good player but not someone who's going to take over a game (or at least he hasnt shown it yet).
• Epenesa, Basham, etc... who cares.
• Settle? I was wrong. I really thought based on the reports of him in Washington, that he was going to be a franchise guy for us. Did he play yesterday?
• Phillips? too injury prone
• Von Miller... he'll be 34.5 years old when the season starts.

Outside of Oliver and Milano (and I guess Daquon Jones), and seeing what we have with Elam and Benford, it almost feels like a rebuild.

[kgun12]

Please. All but a half dozen teams would kill to have a QB "mismanaged" like Josh Allen has been.

The only person mismanaging Josh is Josh himself.

Wrong, his decline this year is tied to Dabol leaving Josh improved year year with him. It’s no coincidence he declined this year with Dorsey, there is no offensive discipline.

[Joe Fo Sho]

This place is in absolute meltdown mode... Are y'all new to being Bills fans or something?

[kscdogbillsfan1221]

The time is now for Pegula to step in and fire our current staff -- the time now is much better than two or three years down the road. Very difficult decision but this is where we are headed if action is not taken.

Listen to what they have to say. I have heard what they have to say. The same old "we need to learn from this".

Well, you keep saying you need to learn from things then keep doing the same things over and over.

If we see a firing of a coach in the next few days ... it should be taken for the escapist bunk that it is -- McDermott finding fall guys when the responsibility is his.

We are going to continue spinning our wheels under McDermott. I began to speak these words two years ago and they continue to get louder and gain evidentiary steam.

The Growth Mindset, for one thing, is crippling on a small scale. It is a great mentality in the big picture but trying to win play to play and week to week the growth mindset is going to set you back. The growth mindset is something for the off-season. Why is that so important? Because people need good direction and don't have time to sit around and think about their meta skills when they are trying to catch or defend a pass!

McDermott is a great leader. It shows. I love a lot of things McDermott does. But there are other areas where he ends the discussion if he should remain like when he allows Josh Allen to choose his own OC. This is a horrible thing to do! Josh Allen is a kid. He needs structure and boundaries to work within. He's got none. What we have is a balls to the wall Josh Allen philosophy -- which ends up being an evasive pile of excuses why the team underachieves because Josh Allen doesn't have what he needs and the team is not prepared and not on the same page.

Allen could be destined to be a great Quarterback in this league but he is not headed there under McDermott. Allen is being destroyed by McDermott's hands off empowerment attitude. The right teaching has not been there and the right structure is not there. The scheming and playcalling on offense and defense continues to be attrocious. It is so bad we can't execute a simple throw and catch in favor of a big failed shot downfield or some other misuse of opportunity.

I am sorry folks, it is over for McDermott. He's not going to learn and change enough to understand his defensive philosophy is old and doesn't work. We aren't aggressive. We aren't disriptive. We don't tackle. The scheming is poor. The rotation sucks. The defense just isn't adaptable to different players and skill sets that must evolve throughout a season. Don't really care how top 5ish Fraziers stats are we all see it on a weekly basis. Even weak offenses march down field on us. The defense we currently run will NEVER beat a good offense playing well but they can do a great job waiting around for others to play poor and rack up some stats. Do you want to win the big game or increase the coaches salary?

Yesterday, Frazier sent his defensive backs 10 yards deep on 3rd and 8. How do you overcome that type of coaching? They didn't learn **** from 13 seconds proven with that call then came out to the media and gave you some "we need to learn from this" bull****.

And the offense. Allen does not get to pick and choose what he does and doesn't want. I will tell you I have a very strong marketing and research backround and everything I do I ask people to hear what's going on when they are effected by what is done. That is the way to do it. But McDermott NEVER truly has his hands on the pulse of this team nor does he EVER see tough ways he needs to intervene to protect people from themselves. What McDermott's philosophy and practice does is empower people to allow their weaknesses to grow into things that can't be overcome.

McDermott needs to be fired this week unfortunately. Someone with more discipline needs to be hired. Someone who actually intervenes and coaches as opposed to McDermott, who waits until things are happening and see's what people come up with in order to address challenges. He's not going to change into someone who can teach discipline. I'm not saying he's not disciplined -- I'm saying he can't develop a culture of discipline because he doesn't properly model and teach discipline.

The team was an emotional wreck yesterday. They didn't even show up to play. Josh Allen jumps into defenders then yells and screams in their faces. He pushes people around in frustration and yells and screams like an angry toddler on the field. Diggs was having a meltdown for 3/4 of the game. Then they all talk about 'humility' because McDermott preaches humility but doesn't actually live or allow humility to be a part of the process. Instead, McDermott's philosophy is to wallow in your egoism because you are a 'competitor'.

The message is inconsistent and the culture gets to be a mess because McDermott doesn't manage it with anything but a very passive that-a-boy attitude. McDermott has been a great guy to help build a better culture but it's gotten to a point where he is destroying our capability to level up -- it is time to part ways and reach for the mountaintop. Unless Beane makes this decision you are going to need to send Beane packing as well. So be it. Better than doing the same thing again next year and continually underachieving under McDermott. McDermott is a guy who is going to get more out of a less team and less out of a more team. He needs to go find other doors to keep knocking on because we want someone here who plans on walking through the door not just knocking on it.

I’m in the extreme minority

but I’m fully on board with this

[Typ0]

No one is melting down. There are plenty of reasons to praise McDermott and some we should be critical of. The mentality of the team falls on McDermott's shoulders and no one else's. I'm not just pissed about yesterdays performance to top off the season from hell. We are signing up for the same path next season with McDermott. He intends on doing the same thing and knocking on the door again he told you right in the press conference today. Stay the course be consistent. Trust the process. Be humble. We need to learn from this....

Then step out there and lack for good planning, strategy and subscribe to the same outcomes. We've got poor game management and doublespeak to look forward to. The defense is in a state it needs a rebuild...but they are going to rebuild it under the same philosophy. There is the problem we need to avoid.

[swiper]

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~DB

[swiper]

I’m in the extreme minority

You're not really.

McDermott doesn't make offense or defense calls. He messes up clock management, red flags. He does nothing worth keeping. Name something he does that makes him valuable. There isn't anything.

[swiper]

Outside of Oliver and Milano (and I guess Daquon Jones), and seeing what we have with Elam and Benford, it almost feels like a rebuild.

Oliver was beyond horrible yesterday. One of the most overrated Bills on this team. Him and Edmunds are why the Bengals gained 10 yards every time they ran up the gut. And they did that all day long.

[YardRat]

What on earth has Dorsey EVER done to warrant this pass?

It's his first year as OC and the offensive production wasn't much different. The dumb throws and turnovers were, though.

[YardRat]

You’ve lost it. How is Josh the problem. He’s our entire offense. He’s running for his life. Replace Josh Allen with a guy like Carr or even Aaron Rodgers we aren’t winning East last year.

I din't say he was 'the' problem, but he is 'a' problem.

Replace Josh with Burrow yesterday and we probably are playing next week.

Burrow and Mahomes know how to win in the post-season against their alleged peers...Josh hasn't learned that yet.

[YardRat]

No. Josh is being allowed to mismanage himself because he doesn't have the proper guidelines and guidance. He's being placed into a situation that is not favorable then expected to succeed because he's Josh Allen and he can overcome it. Unfortunately, Josh Allen can't overcome himself and the tools and structure are not there to protect him.

According to McDermott every player fails to execute well here and there and it always ends up equaling our losses. At what point is McDermott responsible to put them into a better situation they can actually execute consistently in?

That's horse-****.

He's a fifth-year veteran that has seen just about everything he's going to see.

No coordinator is going to push a button and stop Josh from chucking the ball downfield to a covered receiver instead of hitting one of the other three that are wide open over the middle or in the flats. That's all Josh.

[YardRat]

Wrong, his decline this year is tied to Dabol leaving Josh improved year year with him. It’s no coincidence he declined this year with Dorsey, there is no offensive discipline.

He's a fifth year vet with a big contract...he should have developed that discipline by now. Burrow and Mahomes have. If Josh hasn't, that's on him.

[Novacane]

I din't say he was 'the' problem, but he is 'a' problem.

Replace Josh with Burrow yesterday and we probably are playing next week.

Burrow and Mahomes know how to win in the post-season against their alleged peers...Josh hasn't learned that yet.

That is ridiculous and I'm not trying to defend his play. Burrow had all day to throw. Josh had someone in his face all day. Swap QB's and the results the same.