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  • kscdogbillsfan1221
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    • Nov 2007
    • 5651

    #31
    Re: The Fire McDermott Thread

    Originally posted by Typ0 View Post
    The time is now for Pegula to step in and fire our current staff -- the time now is much better than two or three years down the road. Very difficult decision but this is where we are headed if action is not taken.

    Listen to what they have to say. I have heard what they have to say. The same old "we need to learn from this".

    Well, you keep saying you need to learn from things then keep doing the same things over and over.

    If we see a firing of a coach in the next few days ... it should be taken for the escapist bunk that it is -- McDermott finding fall guys when the responsibility is his.

    We are going to continue spinning our wheels under McDermott. I began to speak these words two years ago and they continue to get louder and gain evidentiary steam.

    The Growth Mindset, for one thing, is crippling on a small scale. It is a great mentality in the big picture but trying to win play to play and week to week the growth mindset is going to set you back. The growth mindset is something for the off-season. Why is that so important? Because people need good direction and don't have time to sit around and think about their meta skills when they are trying to catch or defend a pass!

    McDermott is a great leader. It shows. I love a lot of things McDermott does. But there are other areas where he ends the discussion if he should remain like when he allows Josh Allen to choose his own OC. This is a horrible thing to do! Josh Allen is a kid. He needs structure and boundaries to work within. He's got none. What we have is a balls to the wall Josh Allen philosophy -- which ends up being an evasive pile of excuses why the team underachieves because Josh Allen doesn't have what he needs and the team is not prepared and not on the same page.

    Allen could be destined to be a great Quarterback in this league but he is not headed there under McDermott. Allen is being destroyed by McDermott's hands off empowerment attitude. The right teaching has not been there and the right structure is not there. The scheming and playcalling on offense and defense continues to be attrocious. It is so bad we can't execute a simple throw and catch in favor of a big failed shot downfield or some other misuse of opportunity.

    I am sorry folks, it is over for McDermott. He's not going to learn and change enough to understand his defensive philosophy is old and doesn't work. We aren't aggressive. We aren't disriptive. We don't tackle. The scheming is poor. The rotation sucks. The defense just isn't adaptable to different players and skill sets that must evolve throughout a season. Don't really care how top 5ish Fraziers stats are we all see it on a weekly basis. Even weak offenses march down field on us. The defense we currently run will NEVER beat a good offense playing well but they can do a great job waiting around for others to play poor and rack up some stats. Do you want to win the big game or increase the coaches salary?

    Yesterday, Frazier sent his defensive backs 10 yards deep on 3rd and 8. How do you overcome that type of coaching? They didn't learn **** from 13 seconds proven with that call then came out to the media and gave you some "we need to learn from this" bull****.

    And the offense. Allen does not get to pick and choose what he does and doesn't want. I will tell you I have a very strong marketing and research backround and everything I do I ask people to hear what's going on when they are effected by what is done. That is the way to do it. But McDermott NEVER truly has his hands on the pulse of this team nor does he EVER see tough ways he needs to intervene to protect people from themselves. What McDermott's philosophy and practice does is empower people to allow their weaknesses to grow into things that can't be overcome.

    McDermott needs to be fired this week unfortunately. Someone with more discipline needs to be hired. Someone who actually intervenes and coaches as opposed to McDermott, who waits until things are happening and see's what people come up with in order to address challenges. He's not going to change into someone who can teach discipline. I'm not saying he's not disciplined -- I'm saying he can't develop a culture of discipline because he doesn't properly model and teach discipline.

    The team was an emotional wreck yesterday. They didn't even show up to play. Josh Allen jumps into defenders then yells and screams in their faces. He pushes people around in frustration and yells and screams like an angry toddler on the field. Diggs was having a meltdown for 3/4 of the game. Then they all talk about 'humility' because McDermott preaches humility but doesn't actually live or allow humility to be a part of the process. Instead, McDermott's philosophy is to wallow in your egoism because you are a 'competitor'.

    The message is inconsistent and the culture gets to be a mess because McDermott doesn't manage it with anything but a very passive that-a-boy attitude. McDermott has been a great guy to help build a better culture but it's gotten to a point where he is destroying our capability to level up -- it is time to part ways and reach for the mountaintop. Unless Beane makes this decision you are going to need to send Beane packing as well. So be it. Better than doing the same thing again next year and continually underachieving under McDermott. McDermott is a guy who is going to get more out of a less team and less out of a more team. He needs to go find other doors to keep knocking on because we want someone here who plans on walking through the door not just knocking on it.
    I’m in the extreme minority

    but I’m fully on board with this
    I came.
    I saw.
    I conquered.

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    • Typ0
      honey pie
      • Jul 2002
      • 32592

      #32
      Re: The Fire McDermott Thread

      No one is melting down. There are plenty of reasons to praise McDermott and some we should be critical of. The mentality of the team falls on McDermott's shoulders and no one else's. I'm not just pissed about yesterdays performance to top off the season from hell. We are signing up for the same path next season with McDermott. He intends on doing the same thing and knocking on the door again he told you right in the press conference today. Stay the course be consistent. Trust the process. Be humble. We need to learn from this....

      Then step out there and lack for good planning, strategy and subscribe to the same outcomes. We've got poor game management and doublespeak to look forward to. The defense is in a state it needs a rebuild...but they are going to rebuild it under the same philosophy. There is the problem we need to avoid.

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      • swiper
        Registered User
        • Sep 2010
        • 33105

        #33
        Re: The Fire McDermott Thread

        Post Removed for TOS Violation.

        ~DB
        Last edited by DraftBoy; 01-24-2023, 04:52 AM.

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        • swiper
          Registered User
          • Sep 2010
          • 33105

          #34
          Re: The Fire McDermott Thread

          Originally posted by kscdogbillsfan1221 View Post
          I’m in the extreme minority
          You're not really.

          McDermott doesn't make offense or defense calls. He messes up clock management, red flags. He does nothing worth keeping. Name something he does that makes him valuable. There isn't anything.

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          • swiper
            Registered User
            • Sep 2010
            • 33105

            #35
            Re: The Fire McDermott Thread

            Originally posted by Kenny View Post

            Outside of Oliver and Milano (and I guess Daquon Jones), and seeing what we have with Elam and Benford, it almost feels like a rebuild.
            Oliver was beyond horrible yesterday. One of the most overrated Bills on this team. Him and Edmunds are why the Bengals gained 10 yards every time they ran up the gut. And they did that all day long.

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            • YardRat
              Well, lookie here...
              • Dec 2004
              • 86146

              #36
              Re: The Fire McDermott Thread

              Originally posted by sahlensguy View Post
              What on earth has Dorsey EVER done to warrant this pass?
              It's his first year as OC and the offensive production wasn't much different. The dumb throws and turnovers were, though.
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              • YardRat
                Well, lookie here...
                • Dec 2004
                • 86146

                #37
                Re: The Fire McDermott Thread

                Originally posted by BuffaloBlitz83 View Post
                You’ve lost it. How is Josh the problem. He’s our entire offense. He’s running for his life. Replace Josh Allen with a guy like Carr or even Aaron Rodgers we aren’t winning East last year.
                I din't say he was 'the' problem, but he is 'a' problem.

                Replace Josh with Burrow yesterday and we probably are playing next week.

                Burrow and Mahomes know how to win in the post-season against their alleged peers...Josh hasn't learned that yet.
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                • YardRat
                  Well, lookie here...
                  • Dec 2004
                  • 86146

                  #38
                  Re: The Fire McDermott Thread

                  Originally posted by Typ0 View Post
                  No. Josh is being allowed to mismanage himself because he doesn't have the proper guidelines and guidance. He's being placed into a situation that is not favorable then expected to succeed because he's Josh Allen and he can overcome it. Unfortunately, Josh Allen can't overcome himself and the tools and structure are not there to protect him.

                  According to McDermott every player fails to execute well here and there and it always ends up equaling our losses. At what point is McDermott responsible to put them into a better situation they can actually execute consistently in?
                  That's horse-****.

                  He's a fifth-year veteran that has seen just about everything he's going to see.

                  No coordinator is going to push a button and stop Josh from chucking the ball downfield to a covered receiver instead of hitting one of the other three that are wide open over the middle or in the flats. That's all Josh.
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                  • YardRat
                    Well, lookie here...
                    • Dec 2004
                    • 86146

                    #39
                    Re: The Fire McDermott Thread

                    Originally posted by kgun12 View Post
                    Wrong, his decline this year is tied to Dabol leaving Josh improved year year with him. It’s no coincidence he declined this year with Dorsey, there is no offensive discipline.
                    He's a fifth year vet with a big contract...he should have developed that discipline by now. Burrow and Mahomes have. If Josh hasn't, that's on him.
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                    • Novacane
                      Registered User
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 42348

                      #40
                      Re: The Fire McDermott Thread

                      Originally posted by YardRat View Post
                      I din't say he was 'the' problem, but he is 'a' problem.

                      Replace Josh with Burrow yesterday and we probably are playing next week.

                      Burrow and Mahomes know how to win in the post-season against their alleged peers...Josh hasn't learned that yet.


                      That is ridiculous and I'm not trying to defend his play. Burrow had all day to throw. Josh had someone in his face all day. Swap QB's and the results the same.

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                      • Mace
                        Haha...yeah you think so ?
                        • Mar 2013
                        • 20314

                        #41
                        Re: The Fire McDermott Thread

                        Originally posted by swiper View Post
                        You're not really.

                        McDermott doesn't make offense or defense calls. He messes up clock management, red flags. He does nothing worth keeping. Name something he does that makes him valuable. There isn't anything.
                        Steady, unspectacular hand on the helm that makes people feel good with his demeanor and attitude. Not saying it makes him good, it makes him less bad than alternatives. He's successful atm because of the talent level, he's a great person, and we went the much touted 13-3 regular season. It's a timid organization with a timid head coach, but the thought will be that it's working out better than its' falling on its' face because next year might work out better.

                        He also inserts himself into the defense and said so over 13 seconds.

                        Daboll kind of proved this year that he's more ballsy with less talent in NY, so someone was directing him here.

                        They're going to run this into the ground, stale.

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                        • Typ0
                          honey pie
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 32592

                          #42
                          Re: The Fire McDermott Thread

                          Originally posted by YardRat View Post
                          He's a fifth year vet with a big contract...he should have developed that discipline by now. Burrow and Mahomes have. If Josh hasn't, that's on him.
                          How do you know it's not on McDermott?

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                          • sahlensguy
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                            • Mar 2015
                            • 13466

                            #43
                            Re: The Fire McDermott Thread

                            Originally posted by YardRat View Post
                            It's his first year as OC and the offensive production wasn't much different. The dumb throws and turnovers were, though.
                            There was, especially in the beginning of the year, continuity since Daboll and focus because of the new guy and a chip from the Chiefs loss. Once that all wore off, Dorsey brought absolutely nothing. The decline of the offense is as much on him as anybody.

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                            • sahlensguy
                              Registered User
                              • Mar 2015
                              • 13466

                              #44
                              Re: The Fire McDermott Thread

                              Originally posted by Novacane View Post
                              That is ridiculous and I'm not trying to defend his play. Burrow had all day to throw. Josh had someone in his face all day. Swap QB's and the results the same.
                              Wrong. Just wrong.

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                              • notacon
                                Registered User
                                • Aug 2012
                                • 32991

                                #45
                                Re: The Fire McDermott Thread

                                Originally posted by swiper View Post
                                Post Removed ~DB
                                Hmmmmmmmm. I’m not a betting man, but I’d be willing bet you that McDermott does NOT get fired this offseason.

                                If he does, I’ll leave this site forever.

                                If he is still HC by the start of training camp, YOU leave this site forever.

                                Put your “money" where your mouth is or STFU!!!
                                Last edited by DraftBoy; 01-24-2023, 04:53 AM.

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