The Fire McDermott Thread

[DraftBoy]

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Meanwhile chad henne goes 98 yards like it's nothing as soon as mahomes exits.

Cool.

[Typ0]

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Look, don't get me wrong, I wouldn't trade Josh Allen for any QB in the league. It sucks to look at KC and Cincinnati and admit we're just not that good. It sucks to look at Mahomes and Burrow and say Josh just isn't that good. But that is the reality we watched on Sunday and live with today.

Josh regressed this season and he failed to take that next step that Mahomes and Burrow already have. He needs to correct that and come back next year and play at the level that puts us and him back into the conversation.

And that's on him. Not coaching. Not the rest of the roster. Him.

The coaches need to build an environment that fosters this growth...and they don't! So you go ahead and put the whole basket on top of Allen's shoulders--which is exactly the way the coaching staff has it designed--and you will just be signing up for more and more of the same and the continued regression and struggle of Josh Allen.

My point is Josh Allen is a big asset and we need to protect it and maximize it's effectiveness. McDermott does neither of those things. If we want to be successful we need new coaching. Next year we will likely be sailing into the season with McDermott at the helm, Frazier leading the defense and Dorsey leading the offense. Not really up for it. Sorry, this staff is nice but they are never going to have the best team in the league there are too many problems with the way they do things. Players on this team are always going to be coddled and people-pleased and unable to grasp the humility and sacrifice it's going to take to win a championship. The team is going to continue to lack direction pointing to an identity in favor of allowing it to organically emerge.

It is an NFL season there isn't time for infinite timeless bull****. You basically have about half a year to prepare for the playoffs. Boom! It is over. Rinse and repeat.

The learning isn't taking place. The evolution isn't taking place. We knew there were problems inside on the team last season. It's just gotten worse. The team has gotten worse. What this coaching staff has focused on and gotten better at in the McDermott tenure is covering up their dysfunction. They were dysfunctional this last Sunday. They didn't just take a beat down. What we saw was total domination of our offensive and defensive philosophies. That is McDermott and it is going to be a problem that remains until we are willing to do something that gets us over that hump.

[DraftBoy]

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And the times the quick throws weren't open he still had all day to find his 2nd or 3rd option. I'm not defending Josh. His bombs away mentality is pissing me off too. Someway somehow that has to change. I just vehemently disagree that putting Burrow on the Bills and changing nothing else would have changed the outcome.

If we had Burrow then we have a shot to win that game. Burrow is a quick and decisive QB with extreme accuracy. Josh is a big play gun slinger whose going to force the ball and make plays happen that only he can. Against Cincy the shorter and decisive passing game would have gotten us in better positions.

I like Allen more overall, but we’ve seen games where we have to overcome his mentality to win. That’s why so many talk about hero ball in the gameday threads.

[Typ0]

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And the times the quick throws weren't open he still had all day to find his 2nd or 3rd option. I'm not defending Josh. His bombs away mentality is pissing me off too. Someway somehow that has to change. I just vehemently disagree that putting Burrow on the Bills and changing nothing else would have changed the outcome.

This is how Allen has been coached. That is the piece that YardRat seems to be overlooking -- like Josh Allen is working in a box and what comes out is all Josh Allen. Not true. We saw a distinct change in Josh Allen during the season with this aggressive throw everything up downfield. That type of change comes when he is coached to change that way.

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If we had Burrow then we have a shot to win that game. Burrow is a quick and decisive QB with extreme accuracy. Josh is a big play gun slinger whose going to force the ball and make plays happen that only he can. Against Cincy the shorter and decisive passing game would have gotten us in better positions.

I like Allen more overall, but we’ve seen games where we have to overcome his mentality to win. That’s why so many talk about hero ball in the gameday threads.

Dude we don't employ a shorter decisive passing game because that is not how the coaches have the system designed. This is what I have been trying to say! The BS we see on the field from the offense is due to choices the coaches are making.

[Novacane]

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Look, don't get me wrong, I wouldn't trade Josh Allen for any QB in the league. It sucks to look at KC and Cincinnati and admit we're just not that good. It sucks to look at Mahomes and Burrow and say Josh just isn't that good. But that is the reality we watched on Sunday and live with today.

Josh regressed this season and he failed to take that next step that Mahomes and Burrow already have. He needs to correct that and come back next year and play at the level that puts us and him back into the conversation.

And that's on him. Not coaching. Not the rest of the roster. Him.

Coaching has to play apart of it. Someone has to get it through his head that bombing it on 3rd and 1 is not smart QB. Someone has to get him to understand that the easy throws are just as important as the big plays because there's a lot more of them. Ultimately he has to put into practice what they're telling him but coaching absolutely plays apart.

I think they've been to easy on him. We've heard him joke many times about being told to slide more but that not being his game. He probably thinks the same thing about the long passes. Kinda gives me the feeling he's been told he just wants to do it his way. He's starting to hear criticism now that he's not in Mahomes and Burrows league. That's probably the best thing for him. We know how much that drove him when colleges told him he wasn't good enough.

[Novacane]

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If we had Burrow then we have a shot to win that game. Burrow is a quick and decisive QB with extreme accuracy. Josh is a big play gun slinger whose going to force the ball and make plays happen that only he can. Against Cincy the shorter and decisive passing game would have gotten us in better positions.

I like Allen more overall, but we’ve seen games where we have to overcome his mentality to win. That’s why so many talk about hero ball in the gameday threads.

I just disagree. We were outcoached and dominated in both trenches. I don't see one guy changing a game from total domination to a win.

[Novacane]

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This is how Allen has been coached. That is the piece that YardRat seems to be overlooking -- like Josh Allen is working in a box and what comes out is all Josh Allen. Not true. We saw a distinct change in Josh Allen during the season with this aggressive throw everything up downfield. That type of change comes when he is coached to change that way.

I don't agree with that. I think he defaults to that when things aren't going well.

[Forward_Lateral]

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If we had Burrow then we have a shot to win that game. Burrow is a quick and decisive QB with extreme accuracy. Josh is a big play gun slinger whose going to force the ball and make plays happen that only he can. Against Cincy the shorter and decisive passing game would have gotten us in better positions.

I like Allen more overall, but we’ve seen games where we have to overcome his mentality to win. That’s why so many talk about hero ball in the gameday threads.

The playcalling didn't help. The game plan stunk. You'd think that after Miami, they'd have a plan for all out blitzes. They didn't. I didn't see one dump off to Singletary until the last 4 minutes when they were down by 17. I didn't see crossing routes. I don't think they ran one slant pattern.

I get what you are saying, and Josh will probably never be a short pass game manager type, but you have to help him out as the OC. You have to design plays to get the ball out of his hands quickly. Daboll was a master at that last year. He knew when Josh needed to be guided, and when to let him go. This year there was nobody to reign Josh in, and that is 100% on coaching.

[Forward_Lateral]

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For everyone praising Burrow. It's easy to dissect any defense if you have all day. If you want to win in this league, you have to pressure the QB. The Bills are terrible at it, and it showed the last half of the seasonish. They had a few good games where they got to young, terrible QBs, but when they faced offenses that got the ball out quickly, they stunk. Why? Because they A.) can't or refuse to play press coverage, B.) Don't get pressure at all.

Winning is not rocket science. Pressure the QB with your front 4. Cover most of the field, making it HARD for the QB. On offense, you have to have answers for said pressure, and make it easier on your QB. You can't just expect him to escape pressure and make miracle 30 yard throws on the run every time. The Bills did none of the above, and it showed on Sunday.

[Typ0]

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I don't agree with that. I think he defaults to that when things aren't going well.

Because he hasn't been coached differently!

[Typ0]

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For everyone praising Burrow. It's easy to dissect any defense if you have all day. If you want to win in this league, you have to pressure the QB. The Bills are terrible at it, and it showed the last half of the seasonish. They had a few good games where they got to young, terrible QBs, but when they faced offenses that got the ball out quickly, they stunk. Why? Because they A.) can't or refuse to play press coverage, B.) Don't get pressure at all.

Winning is not rocket science. Pressure the QB with your front 4. Cover most of the field, making it HARD for the QB. On offense, you have to have answers for said pressure, and make it easier on your QB. You can't just expect him to escape pressure and make miracle 30 yard throws on the run every time. The Bills did none of the above, and it showed on Sunday.

The Bills are totally one-dimensional. Josh Allen throwing downfield Josh Allen running the ball. All Josh Allen.

We don't challenge other teams this way. We don't threaten the field. WE don't threaten anything -- only Josh Allen has a chance to do that.

We're going to be watching the same thing next season and hear the same "we need to learn from this" doublespeak.

[Typ0]

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When Josh Allen is playing well they need to get him out there on the defense too!

[sahlensguy]

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If we had Burrow then we have a shot to win that game. Burrow is a quick and decisive QB with extreme accuracy. Josh is a big play gun slinger whose going to force the ball and make plays happen that only he can. Against Cincy the shorter and decisive passing game would have gotten us in better positions.

I like Allen more overall, but we’ve seen games where we have to overcome his mentality to win. That’s why so many talk about hero ball in the gameday threads.

Josh would have slayed our D if he traded places with Burrow. All day to throw plus a running game. Some of you guys really hate Josh, sheesh.

[Typ0]

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Josh would have slayed our D if he traded places with Burrow. All day to throw plus a running game. Some of you guys really hate Josh, sheesh.

Don't forget several viable receivers!!!!