The Fire McDermott Thread

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Honestly, this offseason will determine McDermott's status as a great leader, IMO. If he does nothing, and just ho hum, we need to improve, and keeps Frasier and Dorsey, then he can go next year after the same results, IMO. I don't even really mind if Dorsey keeps his job, only because it was his first year and there plenty of good moments, but Frazier has to go. His defense has failed this team every single year when it matters. It's never going to change. He's not going to change philosophy overnight. Fire him, even if it brings a ton of outside media heat. Do your job and lead this team. Forget about hurting feelings.

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It's his first gig....he's learning on the job too.

I like all the success....what I hate are the band wagoners it attracts. (That's nobody here, every poster here is a die-hard, as evidenced by the drought)
As far as I can remember, the only two times that changing HCs on a good team resulted in a Championship, were Gruden replacing Dungy, and Madden replacing Rauch, and the latter took seven years, and four AFCCG losses to achieve.

Just sayin.

Is this a good team though? The defense is in rough shape. And we have spent so much draft capital trying to put together a McDermott defense that continues to be mediocre or poor against top opponents?

McDermott is a defensive coach. He's here for that reason. It's not going well. The ownership of the team changed you can't compare it to the drought which was caused by Ralph Wilson's age and risk aversion. Pegula is not holding back he believes the best thing for this franchise and his investment is to put together a championship squad.

It's not working out. We aren't competing for championships with other teams we are competing against ourselves because the coaching is lacking. Just watching our players flail around on gameday gets old. Then you consider the lousy decisions that get made or the poor game management. Ugh. We are going no where on this path.

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One cannot discount the injuroes on that side of the ball.

Poyer was playing on a torn knee.

Losing Hyde was huge.

Losing Miller was an early playoff exit.

Sorry Keith, I think 14-4 is a good team....and I still have nightmares of watching Chan Gailey and Rex Ryan.

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One cannot discount the injuroes on that side of the ball.

Poyer was playing on a torn knee.

Losing Hyde was huge.

Losing Miller was an early playoff exit.

Sorry Keith, I think 14-4 is a good team....and I still have nightmares of watching Chan Gailey and Rex Ryan.

Not the D is was unhappy about, mostly anyway. The offense was out of sync since the Chiefs game.

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One cannot discount the injuroes on that side of the ball.

Poyer was playing on a torn knee.

Losing Hyde was huge.

Losing Miller was an early playoff exit.

Sorry Keith, I think 14-4 is a good team....and I still have nightmares of watching Chan Gailey and Rex Ryan.

14-4 is a good team! As long as 'good' is what you are looking for we are 'good' to go!

Problem is McDermott does not manage coaches or players ego's and they are run-away destructive to our cause. It is his style. Everyone else is in charge. Very noble.

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Not the D is was unhappy about, mostly anyway. The offense was out of sync since the Chiefs game.

It is always the same thing with McDermott. The run defense just plain sucks. The pass defense is good but when the opposing QB gets hot they get torched left and right because the line doesn't make the QB work harder.

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I hate it. The whole thing makes me sick. I believe in what McDermott believes in it just isn't going to work in such a highly choreographed large team sport. There are too many pieces to fit together. They need proper vision, guidance and structure. This is where the team has lacked since McDermott got here.

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I don't expect he'll get fired, but he should. You're reading comprehension is as poor as your football acumen.

A distinction without a difference. So, you are saying that when the Bills DO NOT fire McDermott, they have “poor football acumen” and YOU (of all people) have more????




My post that you objected to (violating TOS in doing so) what quite clear. The main thrust of it is simple to understand and takes little reading comprehension to understand.


“You mean the “Dumb Fire McDermott Thread”.

No. There is no way the Bills fire McDermott....”



And my bet offer was ALL about THAT prediction.


Do you accept the bet or not???

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One cannot discount the injuroes on that side of the ball.

Poyer was playing on a torn knee.

Losing Hyde was huge.

Losing Miller was an early playoff exit.

Sorry Keith, I think 14-4 is a good team....and I still have nightmares of watching Chan Gailey and Rex Ryan.

+1


A Super Bowl season is predicated on a lot of things going one team's way. Yes, the Bills got their asses handed to them by a better team ON THAT DAY!!!

The ball has been bouncing Cincy's way for weeks (actually, it goes back to last years AFCC game when Mahomes played, literally the worst half of football in his whole career.....his 2nd half passer rating in that game was a dismally bad 12.3).


In particular, this season, both the NE game (that they deserved to lose) and especially the Baltimore playoff game (where they ABSOLUTELY deserved to lose). They also lucked out with the Chase injury.....that IF was season ending (and it could easily have been so), Cincy is in a heap of trouble.


The Bills had the opposite and very bad luck with injuries all season long and (as you point out) Hyde and Miller’s injuries, and Poyer’s playing with nagging injuries most of the season were huge.. Same with Josh’s injured elbow that DID have negative effect on his play.


To discount all the things that did NOT go the Bills way in 2022 is silly. To call for the HC's head is counterproductive and just plain dumb. Pegula is NOT that dumb. If the Bills got regularly blown out his season, there might be an argument.

They did NOT. THIS was the first time this season. The only other losses were by 2, 3 & 3 points. Cincy got their asses handed to them in week 8, losing to the woeful Browns 32-13. A NINETEEN point loss.

They rallied and proceeded to go on a winning streak, one win more than the Bills going into this game.

The events of Jan 2, and the aftermath, were a huge motivating factor for the Bengals. They came into this game ROYALLY PISSED OFF and disrespected. The Bills were reeling with the aftermath of months of emotional and community hits and bad events.

The weather favored Cincy. It helped the injury wrecked O-line, and the backups being depended on just added to the “underdog” motivation. So did the 5 point underdog spread....so did selling tickets to a possible KC/Bills AFCC game in Atlanta....so did the game even being played in Buffalo.

It was perfect storm of massive motivation for Cincy, and an emotional meltdown for the beleaguered Bills.


Besides the fact that the Bengals played their BEST game of the season BY FAR. It was almost a perfect game for them. Only TWO penalties. The Bills played their worst game of the year.

The future of this team is the brightest it has been in its history. The Bills organization is solidly professional (unlike almost all of the Wilson years). We have a solid core of players. A young elite QB, that has not reached his ceiling yet and WILL improve.

Unfortunately, some “fans” want to blow it all up because their feeling are hurt.

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One cannot discount the injuroes on that side of the ball.

Poyer was playing on a torn knee.

Losing Hyde was huge.

Losing Miller was an early playoff exit.

Sorry Keith, I think 14-4 is a good team....and I still have nightmares of watching Chan Gailey and Rex Ryan.

In fairness, they did have 3 starters out on the OL. One would think that would at least partially negate our defensive injuries but it really didn't.

And FWIW, I think McDermott has two options: either fire Frazier now, or prove us wrong and win at least the AFC- if not the whole thing- next year with Frazier. If he keeps Frazier and we have another defensive collapse in the playoffs, I'm going to be in favor of firing both of them.

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In fairness, they did have 3 starters out on the OL. One would think that would at least partially negate our defensive injuries but it really didn't.

And FWIW, I think McDermott has two options: either fire Frazier now, or prove us wrong and win at least the AFC- if not the whole thing- next year with Frazier. If he keeps Frazier and we have another defensive collapse in the playoffs, I'm going to be in favor of firing both of them.

If he keeps Frazier the result will be the same. A new DC would prove McD has figured out the scheme he and Leslie love isn't working. Keeping Frazier proves he's learned nothing.

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In fairness, they did have 3 starters out on the OL. One would think that would at least partially negate our defensive injuries but it really didn't.

And FWIW, I think McDermott has two options: either fire Frazier now, or prove us wrong and win at least the AFC- if not the whole thing- next year with Frazier. If he keeps Frazier and we have another defensive collapse in the playoffs, I'm going to be in favor of firing both of them.

We agree on something. If he decides Frazier is his DC next year, then he should be held fully accountable if the results are the same (barring injuries, etc of course). Frazier's scheme is good for regular season wins. When the playoffs come, and they have to play a top tier QB, it's horrible. Look at the past losses. KC shredded them in the AFC title game, then the D choked away a win last year, and this year it got absolutely destroyed by Burrow.

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We agree on something. If he decides Frazier is his DC next year, then he should be held fully accountable if the results are the same (barring injuries, etc of course). Frazier's scheme is good for regular season wins. When the playoffs come, and they have to play a top tier QB, it's horrible. Look at the past losses. KC shredded them in the AFC title game, then the D choked away a win last year, and this year it got absolutely destroyed by Burrow.

You guys DO get that the HC has the final word on ALL GAME PLANS?

Some seem to think the HC sits back and let's the coordinators decide the week's strategy.

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You guys DO get that the HC has the final word on ALL GAME PLANS?

Some seem to think the HC sits back and let's the coordinators decide the week's strategy.

Like I said before, I'm starting to have my doubts that McD is capable of winning a SB, but before him, we had 9 head coaches in 20 years, and Wade Phillips was the only one who wasn't a complete disaster. Different doesn't necessarily mean better.

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You guys DO get that the HC has the final word on ALL GAME PLANS?

Some seem to think the HC sits back and let's the coordinators decide the week's strategy.

Sure, but McDermott doesn't call the plays. A game plan is one thing, but if it's not working, then you need to adjust. Frazier refused to do that Sunday. They couldn't stop anything. The Bengals could've run for 400 yards if they wanted to.