Gabe Davis Catch Rate is Hideous

[ParanoidAndroid]

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I thought the target stat was simply that the receiver was the closest to the ball in the air.

I was not aware that they had to be "catchable."

Also, "catchable" is pretty subjective. I don't like subjective data.

Is there a degree of "catchability?" Like, was it kinda catchable or was it really super easy catchable?

Wouldn't a catchable ball that isn't caught be tallied as a drop?

If that is the case, then drops plus catches would equal targets minus passes defensed.

I think targets that aren't catches can be either inaccurate throws, drops or passes defensed.

[Typ0]

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WR's were supposed to be a strength but really weren't. Crowder got hurt early. McKenzie is meh. Shakir looked like a rookie.

The biggest disappointment was Davis. In 2021, he clearly improved over the course of the season and it looked like that 4 TD game against the Chiefs was his coming out party. Then, in 2022, he was awful.

Diggs is still great, but beyond him, it's pretty average.

I like our WRs but they don't make-up a good squad -- the mix isn't right. We need one guy who is super speed for example. Just give us some blazing speed to spread the defense out more. Give us someone else with size and physicality...

It feels like we have 5 capable slot receivers .... then we need to go out and get Beasley to 'get the band back together'. Folks, you have to start recognizing the pattern of dysfunction that is happening on our team and stop making excuses for the laisse-faire coaching and lack of direction and discipline.

[ParanoidAndroid]

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Davonte Adams had a 55.6% catch rate according to Lineups (180 targets and 100 catches.)

Anyone else giving this the side eye?

[sukie]

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I thought the target stat was simply that the receiver was the closest to the ball in the air.

I was not aware that they had to be "catchable."

Also, "catchable" is pretty subjective. I don't like subjective data.

Is there a degree of "catchability?" Like, was it kinda catchable or was it really super easy catchable?

Wouldn't a catchable ball that isn't caught be tallied as a drop?

If that is the case, then drops plus catches would equal targets minus passes defensed.

I think targets that aren't catches can be either inaccurate throws, drops or passes defensed.

You are overthinking it. Davis dropped a ton. Hands on ball or off chest…

[ParanoidAndroid]

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No. I'm questioning the stat and the post that alluded to how targets mean the ball was catchable.

I'm not arguing that Gabe wasn't a disappointment this year.

He was and he had key drops.

I simply mean that target % isn't all on the WR.

[ParanoidAndroid]

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I think part of the issue is scheme and his role in it.

Lots of contested balls on deep throws.

This passing attack never had rhythm like it did under Daboll.

[kgun12]

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No. I'm questioning the stat and the post that alluded to how targets mean the ball was catchable.

I'm not arguing that Gabe wasn't a disappointment this year.

He was and he had key drops.

I simply mean that target % isn't all on the WR.

Yet Diggs has no problem.

[sukie]

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I think part of the issue is scheme and his role in it.

Lots of contested balls on deep throws.

This passing attack never had rhythm like it did under Daboll.

Could it be poor route running or crappy routes to run?

[BuffaloBlitz83]

Re: Gabe Davis Catch Rate is Hideous

No. I'm questioning the stat and the post that alluded to how targets mean the ball was catchable.

I'm not arguing that Gabe wasn't a disappointment this year.

He was and he had key drops.

I simply mean that target % isn't all on the WR.

Why is it so much lower than Beasely and Diggs. Not close.

Khalil Shakir’s numbers. Including the postseason, he dropped two passes on 21 targets, one being an overturned catch in Sunday’s Wild Cardgame.

[BuffaloBlitz83]

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I think part of the issue is scheme and his role in it.

Lots of contested balls on deep throws.

This passing attack never had rhythm like it did under Daboll.

The percentage on Gabe was his career. Not this year alone

[sahlensguy]

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Davonte Adams had a 55.6% catch rate according to Lineups (180 targets and 100 catches.)

Anyone else giving this the side eye?

Davis did not pass the eye test.

[TacklingDummy]

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David would have caused a drop or INT on that 98 yarder that Fitzpatrick caught for him.

[ParanoidAndroid]

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Why is it so much lower than Beasely and Diggs. Not close.

He doesn't get short crossers. He gets low percentage deep/intermediate routes. Your slot guy better have a higher catch rate since he's running 5 and 10-yard routes. Beasley had one of the worst drops of the year vs Miami. Diggs is a top 5 WR in this league.

Yet Diggs has no problem.

Diggs is one of the best receivers in the league and his numbers fell off a cliff as the year went on. Gabe started this season hot if you remember.

The percentage on Gabe was his career. Not this year alone

As for a career, players develop in a system. Gabe will have these amazing toe drag catches and then drop the next one. Why we aren't using him underneath as a big bodied outlet more often is beyond me.

Our receivers constantly have to adjust to throws and never get yac.

Why is that?
This is simply one of those instances on this forum where we overreact.

Davis is a decent WR and we wanted him to be great.

He didn't deliver but I also don't think we should be looking at his catch per target rate to try to say he's terrible.

[ParanoidAndroid]

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David would have caused a drop or INT on that 98 yarder that Fitzpatrick caught for him.

That wasn't the 98 yarder. That was his second bomb later in the game. That ball was thrown into a contested situation that Gabe won. It was an excellent play by Gabe so, I'm not sure what your point is, here.

[Typ0]

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He doesn't get short crossers. He gets low percentage deep/intermediate routes. Your slot guy better have a higher catch rate since he's running 5 and 10-yard routes. Beasley had one of the worst drops of the year vs Miami. Diggs is a top 5 WR in this league.


Diggs is one of the best receivers in the league and his numbers fell off a cliff as the year went on. Gabe started this season hot if you remember.

As for a career, players develop in a system. Gabe will have these amazing toe drag catches and then drop the next one. Why we aren't using him underneath as a big bodied outlet more often is beyond me.

Our receivers constantly have to adjust to throws and never get yac.

Why is that?
This is simply one of those instances on this forum where we overreact.

Davis is a decent WR and we wanted him to be great.

He didn't deliver but I also don't think we should be looking at his catch per target rate to try to say he's terrible.

That's our whole team though ... focused on the huge stuff and can't seem to execute simple little football ****. There is a lot of simple little football **** we don't even do ... it must be magic coaching that exempts us.