Where do we go FA or Draft

[YardRat]

Re: Where do we go FA or Draft

the thing about Edmunds is that he affects a qb's decision to throw his way because of his size and athleticism. His problem is , the lack of big plays when it comes his way. For 15 million per year, he should be a player OCs pan for. He isnt.

It really doesn't. Three of the biggest plays in Cinci's first two drives were passes into the intermediate center zone that Edmunds vacated because he got suckered into biting on a shorter crossing route. The Bengals have the book on Edmunds penchant for making a bad read and they exploited it.

[YardRat]

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We need a scheme shift to a 4-3-4 base.

Can Taron Johnson play safety? He's one of our best defenders and has great range. Ditching the nickel base would leave him off the field.

Put Milano in the middle, Bernard weakside and let Klein play Strong side. We would need depth to back that up, especially the outside spots. Spector could possibly back up the middle.

It's asking a lot but wouldn't that better fit the strengths of the people we have? All the while freeing up Edmunds cap hit to upgrade elsewhere?

Throwing stuff at the wall....

Not disagreeing with the premise, but Milano is just as bad at taking on and shedding blocks as Edmunds, we certainly wouldn't be improving the run defense by putting Milano in the middle.

[Mace]

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It really doesn't. Three of the biggest plays in Cinci's first two drives were passes into the intermediate center zone that Edmunds vacated because he got suckered into biting on a shorter crossing route. The Bengals have the book on Edmunds penchant for making a bad read and they exploited it.

Bunch of stuff in here, including some prime Edmunds.

https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2023/1/25/23570083/bills-bengals-playoff-game-analysis-pass-defense-jordan-poyer-jamarr-chase

[Woodman]

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FA or Draft?

Or coaching?

[Bill Cody]

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We only have 6 picks in this draft.

To me it should look something like:

1) OT
2) LB
3) S
4) RB
5) DT
5) OG

[notacon]

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Bunch of stuff in here, including some prime Edmunds.

https://www.buffalorumblings.com/202...r-jamarr-chase

Both Poyer and Edmunds (and almost every Bills player) had bad games vs Cincy. That does not mean the much in the big picture. Here is Joe B.’s All-22 Film analysis of these two players....

3. S Jordan Poyer

One of the more disappointing performances in the playoff game and against the Dolphins came from starting safety Jordan Poyer. Usually a source of strength at the backend of the defense, Poyer was hesitant to drive toward ball carriers, missed several open-field tackles and was a step slow in getting to throws over the top as the center-field safety. It contributed to several drives extending over the two weeks. There was likely a cumulative impact of Poyer’s injuries throughout the season, as he had five since training camp before adding a sixth — a concussion — that knocked him out of the Bengals game.

Injuries can be a focal point to Poyer’s playoff performance, but it’s also worth wondering whether all the injuries aren’t just a fluke. The Bills must consider whether the injuries are a warning sign of a player entering his age-32 season in 2023. Poyer is an unrestricted free agent in March, and the Bills didn’t provide him with an offer to his liking to avoid going to free agency. The Bills are probably playing this situation correctly and not being a prisoner to an emotional decision with how much Poyer has meant to the franchise since 2017. They’ve also kept the door open if Poyer’s market falls flatter than he expects. Either way, the playoff performances and the injuries should embolden the Bills to follow their path of playing the wait-and-see game until March and hoping Poyer will return on a team-friendly deal.

4. LB Tremaine Edmunds

Bucking the trend of his season, Edmunds had a below-average performance and was a big reason the Bengals’ running game was so successful. The Bengals specialized in spreading out the Bills with their shotgun-based attack and successfully ran out of it, which shouldn’t have been news to Buffalo. It’s how they found most of their rushing success throughout the regular season, but it’s difficult to stop with the Bengals’ receiving options on the boundary. And Edmunds struggled to maneuver past blockers in the open field to bring down the ball carrier before they made a sizable gain.

Despite those one-game issues, Edmunds’ day was also a byproduct of the defensive line having one of its worst showings of the season. It was routinely pushed around and shifted to where the Bengals blockers wanted to go, and it fell on Edmunds, Matt Milano and Taron Johnson to get through bigger blockers and secure the tackle in one fell swoop. Edmunds deserves criticism for a handful of plays, but he likely wasn’t reverting to some of his early-career struggles. It also shouldn’t impact how the Bills approach Edmunds’ impending free agency. If Buffalo wanted to find a way to keep Edmunds for the long term as he enters his age-25 season, his play Sunday wasn’t so egregious to ignore the arrow pointing up on his career overall.

Very accurate and astute observations.

[Woodman]

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We only have 6 picks in this draft.

To me it should look something like:

1) OT
2) LB
3) S
4) RB
5) DT
5) OG

I believe one of those will be filled through free agency freeing up a spot for a WR!

[notacon]

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We only have 6 picks in this draft.

To me it should look something like:

1) OT
2) LB
3) S
4) RB
5) DT
5) OG

My potential list....

1. IOL (top two are interchangeable depending on BPA)
2. WR
3. S
4. RB
5. LB
5. DT

FA will probably change the priorities of the draft (duh!). Seeing talk of the Bills going after JuJu Smith-Schuster for slot WR. If the right WR is available to push (and eventually replace) Gabe Davis as boundary receiver, it could be a very astute 1st round pick, even if JuJu was signed.

Potential 1st round WR's fifth year option would be the 2027 season, the same year as Diggs’ final contract year.

IOL O’Cyrus Torrence’s name is cropping up on a a lot of mock drafts. But, there are probably some day 2 prospects that could be valuable additions as well.

Beane and his scouting organization has got their work cut out for them.

[Mace]

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Both Poyer and Edmunds (and almost every Bills player) had bad games vs Cincy. That does not mean the much in the big picture. Here is Joe B.’s All-22 Film analysis of these two players....







Very accurate and astute observations.

Actually it did mean a lot to the big picture, because it was a PLAYOFF game and ended another season in the divisional round.

I disagree with Buscaglia. To me it was all of the same problems he always has. Struggles when blocked, hesitates, makes the wrong read, gets suckered. Pass coverage was supposed to be his strong suit. The Bengals were unimpressed.

[sukie]

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“Stats” don’t win games or form a good defense. Extremely good players like Tremaine Edmunds DO. They do not grow on trees and are not cheap.

The “tackles” stat (the way some confused “fans” try to use it, as compared to other teams) is the most useless and irrelevant stat for defensive players. It is totally irrelvent how many tackles any Bills players have as compared to other teams’s players.

ALL that matters is how many tackles a Bills player has compared to other Bills players.

And Edmunds has led the team in tackles (avg per game....he had less tackles one season (2020, Poyer 124 for 16 games, Edmunds 119 in 15 games, because he played one less games) every single year in his career.

In 2022, he led the team in tackles over the #2 (Milano) despite playing two fewer games.

THAT is what matters. An no amount of cherry picking irrelevant stats will change that fact....the stat that really matters.

TFL matters. Passes defended matters (for an off the ball LB supposedly good in pass coverage) Sacks and forced fumbles also matter. Tackles stats don’t tell you what direction facing when tackling and or how far past the line of scrimmage the tackle took place.

game changing plays… that is what Edmunds lack. 18 million per year for a non game changer is a financial risk

[Mace]

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I honestly thinks Edmunds walks, for the benefit of Edmunds, to a team where he doesn't have to do as much as this junk scheme expects him to do, but will use him as he can be used which doesn't mean trying to read everything and everyone on the field all at once every play, which he frankly can't do, and no one ever will in the modern NFL. He was not set up to succeed, and didn't as a playmaker, because he can't and no one will, and he probably wants to get out of here by now.

[jamze132]

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“Stats” don’t win games or form a good defense. Extremely good players like Tremaine Edmunds DO. They do not grow on trees and are not cheap.

The “tackles” stat (the way some confused “fans” try to use it, as compared to other teams) is the most useless and irrelevant stat for defensive players. It is totally irrelvent how many tackles any Bills players have as compared to other teams’s players.

ALL that matters is how many tackles a Bills player has compared to other Bills players.

And Edmunds has led the team in tackles (avg per game....he had less tackles one season (2020, Poyer 124 for 16 games, Edmunds 119 in 15 games, because he played one less games) every single year in his career.

In 2022, he led the team in tackles over the #2 (Milano) despite playing two fewer games.

THAT is what matters. An no amount of cherry picking irrelevant stats will change that fact....the stat that really matters.

Of course comparing tackle numbers across the league is irrelevant. What’s not irrelevant is that most MLBs lead their teams in tackles to begin with so congrats, Edmunds is average. He does not do one (1) thing on the field athletically that is elite. He doesn’t sack the QB, he doesn’t pick the ball off, and he isn’t a run stopper. Please explain how we can’t fill his shoes for MUCH less money? He’s walking and if he’s lucky he’ll get to play for a defense that will utilize his talents better than just standing out in space like someone said, a scarecrow. Perfect analogy.

[Night Train]

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If anyone happened to watch the Cotton Bowl, Tulane upset USC.

RB Tyjae Spears had 17 carries for 205 yards and 4 TD's. He scored 21 TD's this season to lead college football. 5-10 205 and hits full flight after just a couple steps.

Watching him in the Senior Bowl practices and he really stands out. Great moves and speed. (4.40) . Watch the game Saturday.

https://draftwire.usatoday.com/lists/nfl-draft-senior-bowl-tyjae-spears-tulane/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmgnCIclV9U

[Woodman]

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https://www.nfl.com/news/eric-edholm-2023-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-four-qbs-selected-in-top-10-bills-eagles-add

Eric Edholm 2023 NFL mock draft 1.0: Four QBs selected in top 10; Bills, Eagles add running back

[kgun12]

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https://www.nfl.com/news/eric-edholm...lls-eagles-add

Eric Edholm 2023 NFL mock draft 1.0: Four QBs selected in top 10; Bills, Eagles add running back

HELL NO!!!