Cole Beasley interested in returning to Bills in 2023

[Oaf]

I have little doubt the primary three will be Diggs, Davis, Shakir and a Day 3 rookie that either has super high level speed or big size. They can’t afford much else.

This is seriously not terrible either, esp if we have Beas to back Shakir up. Top 15 corps. Get an OL, a complimentary RB, maybe a TE2 threat and JA will cook.

[DraftBoy]

This is seriously not terrible either, esp if we have Beas to back Shakir up. Top 15 corps. Get an OL, a complimentary RB, maybe a TE2 threat and JA will cook.

It's average, which shouldn't be our standard if we're actually trying to be a Super Bowl contender.

[sukie]

Beas… no thank you.

McKnzy…. See ya.

I don’t have an opinion of Crowder. A broken leg is an injury that I don’t consider someone being fragile or oft injured.

chronic ankles ? Yes… broken leg… no.

[Woodman]

I’m fine with it but the front office needs to make better decisions in FA and the draft.

Bingo!

[Oaf]

It's average, which shouldn't be our standard if we're actually trying to be a Super Bowl contender.

That's obviously up for debate. I like upside for Davis in a contract year, Shakir who showed maturity as a rook, Beas as mentor, plus a still Top-5 WR in Diggs. I'm not sure there's more than 10 WR corps I'd take over that.

Then, looking at our OL/RB combo right now, I'm not sure I'd take the Bills' lineup over more than 5-8 teams. Agree/disagree?

[DraftBoy]

That's obviously up for debate. I like upside for Davis in a contract year, Shakir who showed maturity as a rook, Beas as mentor, plus a still Top-5 WR in Diggs. I'm not sure there's more than 10 WR corps I'd take over that.

Then, looking at our OL/RB combo right now, I'm not sure I'd take the Bills' lineup over more than 5-8 teams. Agree/disagree?

Is it really though? Davis has demonstrated issues with drops and runs really bad routes. Shakir hasn’t proven anything yet but has flashed in limited reps. It’s an average group to enter the season with.

I’d blow up the entire OL and RB group if we had the opportunity and money.

[Oaf]

I’d blow up the entire OL and RB group if we had the opportunity and money.

So let's start w/ that.

RE: Davis, can you demonstrate "runs really bad routes"? Yes, had some drops but also has shown excellent routes/catches against the Colts in the playoffs, MIA in '21, KC this year, PIT this year (have a few of his routes in this video I made).

[DraftBoy]

So let's start w/ that.

RE: Davis, can you demonstrate "runs really bad routes"? Yes, had some drops but also has shown excellent routes/catches against the Colts in the playoffs, MIA in '21, KC this year, PIT this year (have a few of his routes in this video I made).

Just watch Davis run routes. They aren’t sharp at all. It’s been pointed out multiple times here and on social media.

[YardRat]

Just watch Davis run routes. They aren’t sharp at all. It’s been pointed out multiple times here and on social media.

I dunno. He's always done a good job of setting up his corner and getting leverage/separation on the deeper and intermediate routes IMO. If he wasn't running good routes and getting open his horrible drop issue wouldn't be as big of a deal as it is. He certainly isn't a 'cutter' like Diggs, but he's not supposed to be.

[DraftBoy]

I dunno. He's always done a good job of setting up his corner and getting leverage/separation on the deeper and intermediate routes IMO. If he wasn't running good routes and getting open his horrible drop issue wouldn't be as big of a deal as it is. He certainly isn't a 'cutter' like Diggs, but he's not supposed to be.

Watch his depth, crossing angles, and his hitches. He's consistently getting the wrong depth on routes, he has no concept of what angle his cross is supposed to be at and his hitch is basically just a turnaround as opposed to actually coming back for the football.

Also despite his size, he can be easily redirected off the line.

His routes bother me way more than his drops honestly.

There is a reason why you see Allen throws look more "off" to Davis than any other player and it's not just Allen missing him.

[The last buffalo fan]

Watch his depth, crossing angles, and his hitches. He's consistently getting the wrong depth on routes, he has no concept of what angle his cross is supposed to be at and his hitch is basically just a turnaround as opposed to actually coming back for the football.

Also despite his size, he can be easily redirected off the line.

His routes bother me way more than his drops honestly.

There is a reason why you see Allen throws look more "off" to Davis than any other player and it's not just Allen missing him.

Davis, Dawkins and Edmunds, what to do?!?!? All the talent there!

[kgun12]

Davis, Dawkins and Edmunds, what to do?!?!? All the talent there!

Trade, move to guard, see ya, don’t let the door him you in the a$$.

[The last buffalo fan]

Trade, move to guard, see ya, don’t let the door him you in the a$$.

Oh well!! .............

[Woodman]

That's obviously up for debate. I like upside for Davis in a contract year, Shakir who showed maturity as a rook, Beas as mentor, plus a still Top-5 WR in Diggs. I'm not sure there's more than 10 WR corps I'd take over that.

Then, looking at our OL/RB combo right now, I'm not sure I'd take the Bills' lineup over more than 5-8 teams. Agree/disagree?

He's getting a new WR's coach I'm keeping my fingers crossed!

[sukie]

He's getting a new WR's coach I'm keeping my fingers crossed!

Davis is still cheap. Just move him down the line. I dont want him even looking at Diggs in meetings until he earns it.

[Woodman]

Davis is still cheap. Just move him down the line. I dont want him even looking at Diggs in meetings until he earns it.

You're the new WR's coach congratulations.

[notacon]

That's obviously up for debate. I like upside for Davis in a contract year, Shakir who showed maturity as a rook, Beas as mentor, plus a still Top-5 WR in Diggs. I'm not sure there's more than 10 WR corps I'd take over that.

Then, looking at our OL/RB combo right now, I'm not sure I'd take the Bills' lineup over more than 5-8 teams. Agree/disagree?

I mostly agree.


The glaring need is for a more reliable and dynamic #2 WR. Davis showed great promise in 2021, especially in the playoff loss to KC. But, he then regressed. Not nearly good enough of a threat to get some heat off Diggs.


But, he’s still on his rookie contract and has a cap hit of only $2.9M for 2023. Like you said, there is some “upside for Davis in a contact year”.

Your line-up....."upside for Davis in a contract year, Shakir who showed maturity as a rook, Beas as mentor, plus a still Top-5 WR in Diggs” still leaves room for a FA signing (mid-range like KC did last year after Hill left).


They signed Marquez Valdes-Scantling for $30M over three years, but only a $4.8M cap hit in year one, 2022 season.

They signed JuJu Smith-Schuster for one year at only $3M.

I could see the WR position improving by...


Diggs
FA Signing - like JuJu Smith-Schuster
Davis
Shakir
Beasley or Crowder (both are credible as a “mentor”)
Kumerow (for special teams) or draft pick - I would LOVE to see a relatively high draft choice, higher than the 4th round that Beane has spent since 2018 on WR, who could bump Kumerow onto the practice squad or not re-signed (he’s a UFA for 2023)

McKenzie has worn out his value.

[Oaf]

Watch his depth, crossing angles, and his hitches. He's consistently getting the wrong depth on routes, he has no concept of what angle his cross is supposed to be at and his hitch is basically just a turnaround as opposed to actually coming back for the football.

Also despite his size, he can be easily redirected off the line.

His routes bother me way more than his drops honestly.

There is a reason why you see Allen throws look more "off" to Davis than any other player and it's not just Allen missing him.

Can you point to some actual examples?

Here's a throw where Allen is "off": https://twitter.com/Pro__Ant/status/1617693751530651649

This could be a touchdown on an accurate throw, but Dawkins is walked back right into Allen and Allen also doesn't get it down the field enough. This is why we need to upgrade WR at the same time or ahead of the OL?

[YardRat]

Watch his depth, crossing angles, and his hitches. He's consistently getting the wrong depth on routes, he has no concept of what angle his cross is supposed to be at and his hitch is basically just a turnaround as opposed to actually coming back for the football.

Also despite his size, he can be easily redirected off the line.

His routes bother me way more than his drops honestly.

There is a reason why you see Allen throws look more "off" to Davis than any other player and it's not just Allen missing him.

Yeah, I don't recall ever seeing those issues. He rarely gets an opportunity on crossers across the field, unless Allen extends the play and Davis continues to the sideline...where he has separation. And he isn't going to in the middle anyway because of the mostly C1 coverages the offense sees with the safety planted in the middle. On any hitches probably, but that's where "he's not Diggs" comes into play.

[DraftBoy]

Yeah, I don't recall ever seeing those issues. He rarely gets an opportunity on crossers across the field, unless Allen extends the play and Davis continues to the sideline...where he has separation. And he isn't going to in the middle anyway because of the mostly C1 coverages the offense sees with the safety planted in the middle. On any hitches probably, but that's where "he's not Diggs" comes into play.

Running a hitch and coming back to the football is just basic skills. The idea because he’s not Diggs he doesn’t have to run the route properly is a rather ludicrous.