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    Re: Leslie Frasier steps away from coaching for a year

    This is still McDermott's defense. I don't see wholesale changes coming. Not the same at all as when Daboll left.
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    Re: Leslie Frasier steps away from coaching for a year

    Quote Originally Posted by Saratoga Slim View Post
    This is still McDermott's defense. I don't see wholesale changes coming. Not the same at all as when Daboll left.
    It might change a bit when we lose Edmunds and Poyer to free agency.

    Can White return to form and how about Hyde.

    This defense will have a major overhaul JMO.

    Not even sure about Oliver yet either.
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    Re: Leslie Frasier steps away from coaching for a year

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    Not even sure who the **** 39 was covering.

    They should have just held the Wr's at the line for 2 plays, eat 10 secs off the clock and they only gain 10 yards.
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    Re: Leslie Frasier steps away from coaching for a year

    McDermott was never a Tampa 2 dc. He was a Jim Johnson disciple. Johnson used a cover 2 shell.

    Johnson's philosophy was to limit long gains and make them grind it out. Until they got to the 50. Then he'd start blitzing. Get to the 40...and he was confident in his shell....he'd start blitzing furiously from anywhere and everywhere...constant....the 2 lb's threatening both sides of the center at the line every play...even when they intended to drop into coverage. We used to see that in the beginning here.

    In his first dc job...McD embraced it. By the end in Carolina...he seldom blitzed...he clenched into his present passive....he had Kuechly to protect him.

    Current Bills d is a passive hybrid of tampa 2 and Johnson shell without aggression...carried as far as it gets by personnel.

    McD inserted himself into 13 seconds. He lost his nerve....clenches.

    Maybe Frazier was too passive and agreeable. Maybe McD engineered it this way. Maybe Holcomb has influence.

    I don't think Frazier comes back here. I don't think McD regains his nerve. Was still an inadequate defense to use against big boys.

    Maybe it changes. I wish Frazier well. I'm glad he will not be here. Worst thing will happen is that the defense will crumple in the clutch....again.

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    Re: Leslie Frasier steps away from coaching for a year

    Quote Originally Posted by Turf View Post
    They should have just held the Wr's at the line for 2 plays, eat 10 secs off the clock and they only gain 10 yards.
    Just one of the biggest **** ups in sports .... just leaves you in disbelief.

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    McDermott was never a Tampa 2 dc. He was a Jim Johnson disciple. Johnson used a cover 2 shell.

    Johnson's philosophy was to limit long gains and make them grind it out. Until they got to the 50. Then he'd start blitzing. Get to the 40...and he was confident in his shell....he'd start blitzing furiously from anywhere and everywhere...constant....the 2 lb's threatening both sides of the center at the line every play...even when they intended to drop into coverage. We used to see that in the beginning here.

    In his first dc job...McD embraced it. By the end in Carolina...he seldom blitzed...he clenched into his present passive....he had Kuechly to protect him.

    Current Bills d is a passive hybrid of tampa 2 and Johnson shell without aggression...carried as far as it gets by personnel.

    McD inserted himself into 13 seconds. He lost his nerve....clenches.

    Maybe Frazier was too passive and agreeable. Maybe McD engineered it this way. Maybe Holcomb has influence.

    I don't think Frazier comes back here. I don't think McD regains his nerve. Was still an inadequate defense to use against big boys.

    Maybe it changes. I wish Frazier well. I'm glad he will not be here. Worst thing will happen is that the defense will crumple in the clutch....again.

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    Re: Leslie Frasier steps away from coaching for a year

    Surprised to say the least. I hope this isn’t health related.

    I hope McDermott does a comprehensive search for a new DC and not just an internal hire or whoever last worked for Carolina.
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    Surprised to say the least. I hope this isn’t health related.

    I hope McDermott does a comprehensive search for a new DC and not just an internal hire or whoever last worked for Carolina.
    Lovie Smith or Holcomb imho. He's addicted to comfort zone.

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    Re: Leslie Frasier steps away from coaching for a year

    How does he know if he will return in 2024 if he doesn't have a contract in 2024? That part doesn't make sense.

    I hope he is OK and wish him well. Figured this was coming when his replacement was hired they just have been figuring out how to go about this in the least damaging way to Frazier. Everyone should get that consideration anyway but only few do.

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    Re: Leslie Frasier steps away from coaching for a year

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    How does he know if he will return in 2024 if he doesn't have a contract in 2024? That part doesn't make sense.

    I hope he is OK and wish him well. Figured this was coming when his replacement was hired they just have been figuring out how to go about this in the least damaging way to Frazier. Everyone should get that consideration anyway but only few do.
    He didn't say he'd return here...insinuates he'll return to the game. He'll get a job somewhere. Schwartz did the same thing in Philly in january and was working for the titans 3 months later. Graceful exit.

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    Re: Leslie Frasier steps away from coaching for a year

    Quote Originally Posted by Typ0 View Post
    How does he know if he will return in 2024 if he doesn't have a contract in 2024? That part doesn't make sense.

    I hope he is OK and wish him well. Figured this was coming when his replacement was hired they just have been figuring out how to go about this in the least damaging way to Frazier. Everyone should get that consideration anyway but only few do.
    This was handled very delicately JMO.

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    Re: Leslie Frasier steps away from coaching for a year

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    or whoever last worked for Carolina.

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    Re: Leslie Frasier steps away from coaching for a year

    I just wish this would have happened earlier when sone of the other candidates like Schwartz were still available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kgun12 View Post
    I just wish this would have happened earlier when sone of the other candidates like Schwartz were still available.
    If there is one thing about McD....he's not going past his nervous comfort zone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turf View Post
    They should have just held the Wr's at the line for 2 plays, eat 10 secs off the clock and they only gain 10 yards.
    Rush 3. Double cover Kelce and Hill. That still leaves 4 defenders for the rest. Let Mahomes sit back there with no one to throw to.

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    Rush 3. Double cover Kelce and Hill. That still leaves 4 defenders for the rest. Let Mahomes sit back there with no one to throw to.
    That woulda worked.

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    Re: Leslie Frasier steps away from coaching for a year

    Quote Originally Posted by TacklingDummy View Post
    Not even sure who the **** 39 was covering.

    Oh my!

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    Re: Leslie Frasier steps away from coaching for a year

    Quote Originally Posted by notacon View Post
    Wow. That was unexpected.

    I’m not so fast to revel in his departure.

    We saw a lot of posters here welcoming the departure of Brian Daboll, and some even said he would be a failure as HC.

    How did that turn out??
    My reaction to hearing about this was this: Bills fans now will be able to focus their ire on the person really at the root of this defense (McDermott). It hasn't really been a point of discussion, but Frasier and McDermott have both recently said this is McDermott's defense. One has to wonder if Frazier leaving was due to him wanting to do things different and getting told "no." Certainly hope it has nothing to do with his health. But every insider you hear or read about absolutely loves Frazier and his defense and they push to get him another head coaching gig. So leaves you wondering.

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    Re: Leslie Frasier steps away from coaching for a year

    Oh thank god. Need something different. Been torched too many times in big games. We got stale. This is good.

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    Re: Leslie Frasier steps away from coaching for a year

    It was pointed out on another message board that his contract is up after the coming season. Thus, if the Bills want him to stay, they will need to sign him to a new deal. Also, if they really want Frazier to come back, they need to set up an interim arrangement. There aren't many who would come in from outside the team to be a one year interim defensive coordinator, and this has happened after the market for coordinators has pretty much dried up. They are probably going to handle the defensive signal calling and strategizing with the staff they have in house now including Sean McDermott himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalogic View Post
    Oh thank god. Need something different. Been torched too many times in big games. We got stale. This is good.
    He has moved on and it's absolutely for the better.

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