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    Re: What contracts can be restructured, which players could be cut

    Restructure all of them ..... time to get busy.


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    Re: What contracts can be restructured, which players could be cut

    Siran Neal has a 400K roster bonus due Sunday. Could he be next ? Savings would only be 1.375 Mil when all is done. He backs up Taron Johnson inside besides playing Special Teams.
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    Re: What contracts can be restructured, which players could be cut

    Extension for Taron Johnson (as previously described in my earlier post) - $4 million

    Convert Micah Hyde's roster bonus - saves about $1.1 million

    Simple restructure of White's deal - saves about $6.75 million

    Leave Dawkins contract as is

    That's almost $12 million

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    Re: What contracts can be restructured, which players could be cut

    I think they can also extend DaQuan Jones and create $3-4 million more

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    Re: What contracts can be restructured, which players could be cut

    Great stuff Clumpy!

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    Re: What contracts can be restructured, which players could be cut

    What would all these restructuring and extensions do to next years cap and is there contracts to rework next year?
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    Re: What contracts can be restructured, which players could be cut

    Quote Originally Posted by kgun12 View Post
    What would all these restructuring and extensions do to next years cap and is there contracts to rework next year?
    According to to spotrac they are $18 million over the cap again in '24, with only 40 players signed. So a repeat of this year. The usual suspects (Allen, Diggs, Miller, Dawkins, Tre') have large enough base salary numbers that can be converted to bonuses. It looks like the restructures they have already done have added about $15mil per year cap hit for at least the next three years.
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    Re: What contracts can be restructured, which players could be cut

    Quote Originally Posted by YardRat View Post
    According to to spotrac they are $18 million over the cap again in '24, with only 40 players signed. So a repeat of this year. The usual suspects (Allen, Diggs, Miller, Dawkins, Tre') have large enough base salary numbers that can be converted to bonuses. It looks like the restructures they have already done have added about $15mil per year cap hit for at least the next three years.
    You would think that soon the cap is going to go up more than just a little bit. All of this new TV money should kick in next year, right?

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    Re: What contracts can be restructured, which players could be cut

    Quote Originally Posted by YardRat View Post
    According to to spotrac they are $18 million over the cap again in '24, with only 40 players signed. So a repeat of this year. The usual suspects (Allen, Diggs, Miller, Dawkins, Tre') have large enough base salary numbers that can be converted to bonuses. It looks like the restructures they have already done have added about $15mil per year cap hit for at least the next three years.
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    You would think that soon the cap is going to go up more than just a little bit. All of this new TV money should kick in next year, right?
    Spotrac is being very conservative with their projected cap in 2024 of only $235M.

    Since the cap’s inception, the increase has averaged 7% every year. From 2014 to 2022 the average increase has been 6.36% (affected by the Covid year, 2021 league year) drop of 7.92%, but made up the next year with increase of 14.08% for 2022.


    1998 (26.37%) and 2006 (19.3%) were anomalies and brought up the average to 7%. 2010 was an “uncapped” year (the CBA ran out) and the new CBA of 2011 saw several years of more controlled increases.

    2011 - minus 2.44%
    2012 - .5%
    2013 - 1.99%


    Here is a history of the cap from 1994 to 2023

    Year In Millions % Change
    1994 $34.61
    1995 $37.10 7.20%
    1996 $40.75 9.85%
    1997 $41.45 1.71%
    1998 $52.38 26.37%
    1999 $57.29 9.37%
    2000 $62.17 8.52%
    2001 $67.40 8.41%
    2002 $71.10 5.49%
    2003 $75.00 5.49%
    2004 $80.58 7.44%
    2005 $85.50 6.11%
    2006 $102.00 19.30%
    2007 $109.00 6.86%
    2008 $116.00 6.42%
    2009 $123.00 6.03%
    2010 uncapped n/a
    2011 $120.00 -2.44%
    2012 $120.60 0.50%
    2013 $123.00 1.99%
    2014 $133.00 8.13%
    2015 $143.28 7.73%
    2016 $155.27 8.37%
    2017 $167.00 7.55%
    2018 $177.20 6.11%
    2019 $188.20 6.21%
    2020 $198.20 5.31%
    2021 $182.50 -7.92%
    2022 $208.20 14.08%
    2023 $224.86 8.00%

    2023 had a 8% increase to the present $224.8M. Spotrac’s 2024 estimate of $235M represents only 4.91% increase.

    If the increase for 2024 is similar to 2023, the cap will be $242.8M....which means the Bills would be $10.2M over, not $18, but the cap constraints are going to around for a while. That’s what happens when you have a few big time stars on the team.

    The latest TV contracts kicked in for this year, 2023, so the cap is already are reflecting that event. All the speculation for 2024 and beyond is just that. Won’t know until about a year from now what the 2024 cap will be.

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    Re: What contracts can be restructured, which players could be cut

    Next year they could save just over $8 Million by cutting Morse

    Cutting Dawkins and Johnson saves around $7.5 million each if they needed too/wanted too

    Cutting Poyer would save 5.5 Million

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    Re: What contracts can be restructured, which players could be cut

    I would restructure Cookie… he brings it but we need to stretch it out and convert some of that guaranteed into bonus cash

    Pink needs his fifth year option exercised.

    speaking of excessive. Or lack of it… Mace, cut him… you cannot contribute while sitting effectively. He will be missed in the locker room,

    Swiper… cut his ass.

    Nottie… too expensive and kinda a diva. Annoying habit of calling every staff member “expert”.

    ticat and JLB… buy out candidates.

    add years to Saratoga and Kgun12

    (though the contract might outlive the latter)

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    that’s a start.

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    Re: What contracts can be restructured, which players could be cut

    Lecter is a bust. Dead cap hit blows, however.

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    Re: What contracts can be restructured, which players could be cut

    Quote Originally Posted by Forward_Lateral View Post
    You would think that soon the cap is going to go up more than just a little bit. All of this new TV money should kick in next year, right?
    One would think so. But then again, with the Amazon deal starting a year early one would think it would have a bigger affect on this year's cap.

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    Re: What contracts can be restructured, which players could be cut

    Quote Originally Posted by YardRat View Post
    One would think so. But then again, with the Amazon deal starting a year early one would think it would have a bigger affect on this year's cap.
    I meant the Sunday Ticket money. Does that switch this year? I thought Direct TV had it for one more year

    Edit: it looks like YouTube starts this year. 14 BILLION dollars. Cap should be 300 million ffs
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    Re: What contracts can be restructured, which players could be cut

    Quote Originally Posted by Forward_Lateral View Post
    I meant the Sunday Ticket money. Does that switch this year? I thought Direct TV had it for one more year

    Edit: it looks like YouTube starts this year. 14 BILLION dollars. Cap should be 300 million ffs
    Not sure how the Sunday Ticket money works, but my point was with Amazon starting earlier...last season...this year's cap should reflect that completely new revenue stream and it doesn't look like it really has.

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    Re: What contracts can be restructured, which players could be cut

    Quote Originally Posted by YardRat View Post
    Not sure how the Sunday Ticket money works, but my point was with Amazon starting earlier...last season...this year's cap should reflect that completely new revenue stream and it doesn't look like it really has.
    I don’t understand how the players union isn’t making noise about this.

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    Re: What contracts can be restructured, which players could be cut

    Quote Originally Posted by Forward_Lateral View Post
    I don’t understand how the players union isn’t making noise about this.
    It must fit in with the formulas in the CBA, I guess.

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    Re: What contracts can be restructured, which players could be cut

    Quote Originally Posted by YardRat View Post
    It must fit in with the formulas in the CBA, I guess.
    I wonder if every player gets a cut of the TV revenue outside of their contracts. I doubt this is how it works, but it would make more sense.

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    Re: What contracts can be restructured, which players could be cut

    Quote Originally Posted by Forward_Lateral View Post
    I meant the Sunday Ticket money. Does that switch this year? I thought Direct TV had it for one more year

    Edit: it looks like YouTube starts this year. 14 BILLION dollars. Cap should be 300 million ffs
    My understanding is that the Sunday Ticket deal was included in the 2023 cap since the first payment is being made in 2023.

    The TV contracts are counted for every year they pay out individually, not the whole contract. The TV deals are graduated with the first year of the new deal worth only marginally more than the last year of an expiring (or continued) deal. As far as I know these details are not public. Just the overall value of the full contract is disclosed.

    Most of the increase in the 2023 cap was attributed to the new TV deals starting to take effect. Since the cap is based on percentage of overall revenue (what is included as “revenue” is dictated by the CBA) the only way the cap increases year to year is if overall NFL revenue increases.

    The Sunday Ticket deal is an average of $2B per year (not disclosed of the actual annual payments) which is only $500M above the old deal. So, the Youtube deal (if it does in fact pay $500M more in 2023, which is not clear) would only add about $7.5M to each team's cap for 2023, or a little less than one half of the $16.6M increase of the cap from 2022 to 2023.

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    Re: What contracts can be restructured, which players could be cut

    Quote Originally Posted by Forward_Lateral View Post
    I wonder if every player gets a cut of the TV revenue outside of their contracts. I doubt this is how it works, but it would make more sense.
    Nope. They are already getting a “cut of the TV revenue” and it does not make any sense that they should get even more "outside their contracts”.


    Each individual contract of each player is mostly paid for by that TV money. They are already getting TV money...and LOTS of it. TV contracts make up about two thirds of ALL NFL revenue....and the players get around half of that.

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