Sherman blames Allen for Lamar situation

[Forward_Lateral]

Lamar scored a 13 on the wonderlic.

He should not be negotiating his own contract. He can barely tie his own shoes.

[Goobylal]

You don’t know if that’s true. What we do know is that nobody wants him at the current compensation package that includes losing two first round picks.

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[notacon]

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I know anything is possible....but it sure looks like NO team wants to give Jackson a full guaranteed contract. It would be dumb to do so....just like it was dumb for Cleveland to kiss Watson’s as.

[Goobylal]

I know anything is possible....but it sure looks like NO team wants to give Jackson a full guaranteed contract. It would be dumb to do so....just like it was dumb for Cleveland to kiss Watson’s as.

No team wants to give him the contract he's demanding. If they did, the 2-1sts would be worth it since they'd probably be late 1sts.

[Bill Cody]

No team wants to give him the contract he's demanding. If they did, the 2-1sts would be worth it since they'd probably be late 1sts.

I agree that's probably true. But the situation may be changing. Lamar is under the control of the Ravens. He can either sign his tag or sit and not get paid assuming he does not back off his prior contract demands. He has clearly scared teams off by his early talk about wanting to exceed Watson's guaranteed deal.

That was not going to happen for a guy that has trouble staying on the field. This is where Lamar NEEDS the services of an agent. The agent could discreetly call teams and let them know Lamar is no longer demanding Watson money. If this was a 5 year deal I think Lamar could save face and either resign with the Ravens or sign with the dozen or so teams that could use his services. The two 1st round picks is not the problem here. And the annual compensation would be north of 40m. To me that's the only good way out for Lamar.

[Goobylal]

I agree that's probably true. But the situation may be changing. Lamar is under the control of the Ravens. He can either sign his tag or sit and not get paid assuming he does not back off his prior contract demands. He has clearly scared teams off by his early talk about wanting to exceed Watson's guaranteed deal.

That was not going to happen for a guy that has trouble staying on the field. This is where Lamar NEEDS the services of an agent. The agent could discreetly call teams and let them know Lamar is no longer demanding Watson money. If this was a 5 year deal I think Lamar could save face and either resign with the Ravens or sign with the dozen or so teams that could use his services. The two 1st round picks is not the problem here. And the annual compensation would be north of 40m. To me that's the only good way out for Lamar.

He should have known awhile ago that by missing the last 1/3 of the season and into the playoffs the past 2 years that the Ravens wouldn't want to give him a huge long-term fully-guaranteed contract. But he doesn't, or at least didn't, seem to care/think it was an issue. And when they didn't, he took offense and demanded to be traded. The only thing that might have changed is after being allowed to shop his wares, he's finding out that no one else wants to pay him either. So he's stuck playing under the franchise tag because they're not going to be able to trade him and they're not giving him the contract he wants. And if he sits out, it's just tens of millions more he's costing himself by being foolish.

[Novacane]

Lamar scored a 13 on the wonderlic.

He should not be negotiating his own contract. He can barely tie his own shoes.

He's not. His mommy is.

[Mace]

Lamar has no one to blame for the Lamar Situation besides Lamar. It's that simple.

[Ingtar33]

i dont get the hate lamar is getting, he's a good guy and he won an mvp, an award he deserved. he's been singlehandedly carrying an awful ravens team by himself. he deserves a 40-50mil per year deal.

[DraftBoy]

i dont get the hate lamar is getting, he's a good guy and he won an mvp, an award he deserved. he's been singlehandedly carrying an awful ravens team by himself. he deserves a 40-50mil per year deal.

It's not hard to get. He's a star player who has been open about his contract displeasure which gets the whole "shut your mouth and play (for my own entertainment)" crowd up in their feelings. Then with his mother acting as his agent he has an entire subset of agents and advisors that leak stories to the press to try and trash his intelligence. We don't even need to get into the motivation behind the people who think making fun of his wonderlic score or the way he speaks is somehow appropriate and doesn't imply other feelings.

Jackson is a star QB and deserves to be paid as one. It's that simple.

But the majority of what you're going to hear at the same old tired voices that just say "shut up and play".

[Historian]

I never really thought very much of his ability as a qb.

HOWEVER, it seems to me that If this is the guy you thought would put you over the top a few years back, why are you, as an organization, taking such a hard line stance with him?

Franchise quarterbacks don't grow on trees.

See: Buffalo Bills, 2004-2017

[DraftBoy]

I never really thought very much of his ability as a qb.

HOWEVER, it seems to me that If this is the guy you thought would put you over the top a few years back, why are you, as an organization, taking such a hard line stance with him?

Franchise quarterbacks don't grow on trees.

See: Buffalo Bills, 2004-2017

Ravens still feel burned over that Flacco deal and yearn for the old days where they were able to win a Super Bowl with Trent Dilfer.

[Night Train]

Lamar scored a 13 on the wonderlic.

He should not be negotiating his own contract. He can barely tie his own shoes.

Dan Marino could tie 1 shoe. He scored a 15. Same score as Jim Kelly.

Most QB's don't have the IQ of Fitz. This just in...

Yes, he needs an agent..

[swiper]

This is probably the smartest thing I've read on this forum, ever.

I, too, have said this for years. But the issue with this is that QB pay rates would rise even quicker than they already are because you could not legally cap one person's ability to sell himself in the free market.

[swiper]

Ravens still feel burned over that Flacco deal and yearn for the old days where they were able to win a Super Bowl with Trent Dilfer.

You have taken a unique way of distilling the Ravens view on the QB position. They rode (or will ride) Lamar Jackson for as long as they could/can on the current contract, then cut the cord.

The issue with Jackson will come down to one simple thing: he's asking for too much money. It's all boiled down to that here:

Lamar Jackson pushes back on the narrative that he’s an injury risk

It has been said, or rather asked, that "was the Deshaun Watson contract an outlier or the new norm for QB contracts?" IF Lamar Jackson gets what he is asking for, then the answer to that question is the latter. The NFL owners will each, individually fight against it. And as mentioned, Jackson will cry collusion, and then he'll be forced to go back to the Ravens for this year. What team in their right mind will pay one player that percentage of their entire roster? It doesn't make sense for team success.

[Night Train]

He should talk to Kirk Cousins, who played under the tag for 2 years .

It's OK to make 32 Mil for 1 year while awaiting your next deal.

Doesn't look like he has any other options until next year. Coaches all saying they are going in other directions with draft and cap concerns.

Does he actually need an agent now to tell him to sign the tag and take the $$ ??

[Forward_Lateral]

Dan Marino could tie 1 shoe. He scored a 15. Same score as Jim Kelly.

Most QB's don't have the IQ of Fitz. This just in...

Yes, he needs an agent..

Those guys didn't try to negotiate their own contracts

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I, too, have said this for years. But the issue with this is that QB pay rates would rise even quicker than they already are because you could not legally cap one person's ability to sell himself in the free market.

What about a max contract like the NBA?

[Goobylal]

It's not hard to get. He's a star player who has been open about his contract displeasure which gets the whole "shut your mouth and play (for my own entertainment)" crowd up in their feelings. Then with his mother acting as his agent he has an entire subset of agents and advisors that leak stories to the press to try and trash his intelligence. We don't even need to get into the motivation behind the people who think making fun of his wonderlic score or the way he speaks is somehow appropriate and doesn't imply other feelings.

Jackson is a star QB and deserves to be paid as one. It's that simple.

But the majority of what you're going to hear at the same old tired voices that just say "shut up and play".

That's not it, at least for me. He deserves to be paid what other franchise QBs are getting. Should he demand a fully-guaranteed deal? No. He can ask but when it's clear no one is offering one, he should be more reasonable. So he'll rightfully be criticized, especially when it's costing him $40-50M that he'll never get back.

[notacon]

It's not hard to get. He's a star player who has been open about his contract displeasure which gets the whole "shut your mouth and play (for my own entertainment)" crowd up in their feelings. Then with his mother acting as his agent he has an entire subset of agents and advisors that leak stories to the press to try and trash his intelligence. We don't even need to get into the motivation behind the people who think making fun of his wonderlic score or the way he speaks is somehow appropriate and doesn't imply other feelings.

Jackson is a star QB and deserves to be paid as one. It's that simple.

But the majority of what you're going to hear at the same old tired voices that just say "shut up and play".

I don’t think that’s the case at all and pretty unfair.

It’s more accurate that the "majority of what you're going to hear” is that he should “shut up and get an agent”.

If he had a good agent, none of this would be happening, at least in public. Plus, I do not see anyone (here or in the press) saying that this is not true....”Jackson is a star QB and deserves to be paid as one”.

Sure looks like you are dishing up a straw man argument.

The issue is and always has been, that he wants a fully guaranteed contract. That is on a whole other solar system than thinking that he’s NOT “ a star QB and deserves to be paid as one”.


Maybe you need to re-read the posts here. I don’t see anyone saying (or even suggesting) “shut up and play” or that he does not deserve to get paid as a “star QB” should.

[Bill Cody]

He should talk to Kirk Cousins, who played under the tag for 2 years .

It's OK to make 32 Mil for 1 year while awaiting your next deal.

Doesn't look like he has any other options until next year. Coaches all saying they are going in other directions with draft and cap concerns.

Does he actually need an agent now to tell him to sign the tag and take the $$ ??

He doesn't need an agent to tell him to sign the tag. But there's no hurry for him to do that either. And the point of the agent has nothing to do with the tag. The agent can get him out from under the hole he's dug for himself. There are definitely teams willing to give Lamar a fair contract. Just not a 10 year fully guaranteed deal. That's fantasy.