Like Cleveland ?Originally Posted by Mr. Pink
" I wish we were Cleveland "
Like Cleveland ?
" I wish we were Cleveland "
Anonymity is an abused privilege, abused most by people who mistake vitriol for wisdom and cynicism for wit
Cleveland also might need a change in coaching as well.
Stefanski makes some head scratching decisions at times.
We'll find out if Cleveland is now for real with a good offseason and Watson who shouldn't be rusty.
If Watson looks like he did last year, then it is likely time for wholesale changes, GM, Scouting, Coaching.
Mace (05-21-2023)
Reading some of these sour puss posts (with incredibly lame suggestions on who to get rid and where “changes” need to be made) reminds me how ecstatic I am that the professionals running the Bills don’t listen to a word they say....nor should they.
Yeah...the professionals have us rolling in conference and league titles to defer to their expertise. That Bengals game was encouraging that we're on the right path. Hello ?
It’s really quite simple. Talented teams will always compete for the playoffs, especially when the talent disparity is so wide within their own division (other 3 AFCE teams have been mostly garbage since 2020). Come playoff time, just about every team is loaded with talent and the difference comes down to coaching and scheme.
Are you suggesting that coaching changes don’t/didn’t need to be made? If not, explain
In the past SEVEN years, only three teams (out of 14) have been AFC conference champions. And Cincy get there only once.
So, in six of the past seven years only two teams have enjoyed the AFC crown.
If the criteria for “expertise” of any coaching staff or franchise organization is failure to win conference championships, then it means that the overwhelming majority of teams suck.
That is SO unrealistic.
The Bills suffered through missing the playoffs SEVENTEEN YEARS in a row and nineteen times in the previous 22 years. Before the McDermott era, the Bills never got past the WC round the last three times (out of 21 years) they DID make the playoffs.
McDermott got the team in the playoffs his first year, despite having the marginal back-up level QB in Tyrod Taylor. Three of the next four times the Bills got in the playoffs they went past the WC round.
Since McDermott has taken over, (despite the first two seasons being rebuilding years) the Bills have the third most wins of any team in the NFL. In the past three seasons the Bills have the second most wins of any team in the NFL.
And the sour pusses are looking down their arrogant noses at such undeniable success???? After SEVENTEEN YEARS of longing to be relevant, by getting in the playoffs?!?!?
Please. Save me your crocodile tears.
NO, there is NO NEED for “coaching changes” (in respect to the DC). Despite some grumblings from the same sour pusses, there is no need for a HC change as some have suggested.
Yes, in PART, “come playoff time, just about every team is loaded with talent and the difference comes down to coaching and scheme.” but it also comes down to luck and how the ball bounces (and how the refs decide to call some plays).
Some want to **** up what the Bills have been striving for and lacking since last century because their feelings are hurt because we have not won a AFC or NFL title???
Join the 30 or 31 teams that lack those victories every single year.
Sometimes the Negative Nancy’s sound like the whiney teenager who complains about only getting a brand new car for their HS graduation gift instead of the Ferrari he/she was dreaming about.
Since McDermott has taken over, (despite the first two seasons being rebuilding years) the Bills have the third most wins of any team in the NFL. In the past three seasons the Bills have the second most wins of any team in the NFL.
I’ll have cream with that coffee that the above stat didn’t buy .
Yes, in PART, “come playoff time, just about every team is loaded with talent and the difference comes down to coaching and scheme.” but it also comes down to luck and how the ball bounces (and how the refs decide to call some plays).
Ok so you agree that scheme and coaching I. The playoffs is a viable issue to be raised.
And sometimes you need to still make a change to get to that next step.
Here's a good example...
Tony Dungy led Buccaneers. 4 years out of 6 in the playoffs. Lost in the divisional round. Lost in the conference championship game. Lost in the wild card. FIRED. Gruden comes in and leads the Bucs to a Super Bowl championship.
Chet (05-23-2023)
Bills +900 to win the SB. I like that play. Going to put $100 on them. Yeah there are some concerns and weak spots. Like every team. We have a good team and a lot of people are writing us off. That is a mistake.
Mad Bomber (05-30-2023)
Thanks for providing the cliffs notes to his wall of drivel.
So maybe notacon can help me out:
1. Was it luck and ball bounces that lost us the AFC Championship game in 2020? Anybody with a functioning brain knew the moment that game was over, and it was a result of a coaching decision. Right before the half, 4th and goal from inside the 5, down 21-9 and knowing KC gets the opening half kickoff. After a slow start their offense was on fire and the Bills were reeling. Instead of manning up, he elects to kick a negligible FG that still puts us in a 2-possession hole. The team’s confidence dies with that decision and you could see it plain as day when it happened.
2. Was it luck or **** coaching that gave up 13 seconds in 2021? If there was any luck in that game, it favored us when Honeybadger went down when the offense was stagnant.
3. Was it luck or **** coaching in the blowout vs Cincy? Outschemed on both sides of the ball, and you can’t even blame Allen turnovers because his only pick came on a desperation heave in garbage time.
So with that knowledge, and knowing full well that the AFCE has reloaded and the conference as a whole has every great QB in the league, you think keeping the status quo in coaching is the right move?
This is why people skim over your posts. You can thank sukie for diluting your answer down into an intelligible form
If you have to go back 20 years to find a kinda sorta example, your argument is for crap.
First of all, Gruden may or may not have been the reason for TB winning g the SB. In any event, his record was for **** the nets of his time in TB....the next seven years missing the playoffs FIVE of these years....the other tow,. ONE AND OUT. LOSING the only WC game they played.
Gruden never even came CLOSE to a SB the rest of his (mostly) terrible coaching career. His 122-116 (.513) speaks for itself. One time wonder, who took over a team that Dungy built. BFD!!
Tony Dungy, on the other hand, had a stellar 148-79 (652) lifetime W/L record. In his seven year HC career in Indy his team, made the playoffs EVERY YEAR. Making TWO Supper Bowls, winning one.
Sorry, but your premise is lame.
In recent history (yes, the game is different than it was in 2003), as I have pointed out the facts....in the past SEVEN years, only three teams (out of 14) have been AFC conference champions. And Cincy get there only once.
So, in six of the past seven years only two teams have been to the AFCC more than once.
Why were KC and NE the only AFC teams to get multiple trips to the AFC Championship game???
The knee jerk reaction is "coaching and scheme”. But that’s not really that accurate at ALL.
The MAIN factor is the combination of coaching and QB!!!!! And, in fact, the QB is the main reason.
In NE, Belichik is considered the best HC in history....but ONLY when he had Tom Brady as QB. He lost Brady, and who happened??? NE is for ****. Only make one playoff in three seasons. And they did not really deserve the one appearance with the Bills totally embarrassing them with the worst playoff loss in Belichick's career.
Brady goes to TB, the year before with Arians as HC they have a dismal 7-9 record. Do a little better in 2020 with a 11-5 record but BRADY is the reason they went on and won the SB.
Next two years even with Brady...no more playoff major since Brady is, after all old as dirt.
In KC, Andy Reid is there for five years...all with a very good QB in Alex Smith. Can't sniff a conference championship much less a Super Bowl.
Then Patrick Mahomes comes along and POOF, they are going to the conference championship every one of his five years as starter
Yeah....all it took was the GOAT Brady to make the “coaching” look so great. And in KC, it only took the BEST QB in the NFL today, to make Reid look like a genius.
The FACT is that Josh Allen is NOT at the level of Mahomes. He’s just not there yet. He is elite, but not elite enough to get out of his own way. After the Minny loss I started a thread....
The Bills Have a QB Problem
I started this thread with these thoughts....all SPOT ON....
If some want to suggest that a “coaching change” is the ticket to making the next step, you are fooling yourselves.
It’s in Josh’s hands. Since he came into the league, he has the SECOND MOST INTS. Behind only Baker Mayfield.
You might be right that “...sometimes you need to still make a change to get to that next step.” but NOW is NOT that time.
Narcissistic own thread pimping… my lord
That’s quite a strawman post you’ve constructed there that is as silly as it is non-responsive to the undeniable (and quite benign) and widely accepted maxim I correctly observed.
Maybe your self-professed “skimming” of my reasonable and well-reasoned posts is your downfall in lack of comprehending easily understandable concepts. Like the high schooler that relies on Cliff notes to write an underwhelming (but barely passing grade) book report but then fails the final test because relying on Cliff notes or “skimming” results in lack of knowledge.
In any event, I did not say, nor even suggest that the questionable coaching decisions of one game two years ago have anything to do with “luck”.
Believe it or not (a concept that requires one to actually think though two ideas at the same time) underwhelming coaching (which even the best teams are guilty of from time to time) does not preclude the idea that “luck” does, in fact plays a very big role in critical times during a complicated team sport like football, with 22 players on the field at the same time, moving at breakneck speed.
In the KC game, despite the questionable decisions (which have been recognized by almost everyone, me included) does not mean in any way, shape or form that the coin flip for OT that was largely determinative of the winner since it was apparent that the defense of both teams were worn out and had no chance of stopping the offenses that were firing on all cylinders....was not based entirely on “luck”.
The idea that if the Bills won that toss they would have won that game is not only possible but probable.
Anyway, I was alluding to the bigger picture in that the Bills had bad luck throughout the 2022 season, culminating with the ultimate bad luck in the once in a million or two perfectly timed and placed hit on Damar Hamlin at the precise millisecond between heart beats that literally killed him on the field.
No one knows how that game would have turned out, but there is no doubt that KC lucked out when the cancellation of that game literally handed the #1 seed to them. Which was instrumental in their SB run.
It is NOT a coincidence that in all three of KC’s recent SB appearances they had a first round bye in the playoffs. The past two SB appearances they were the #1 seed in the AFC.
Interestingly, the subject of “luck” came up in this Buffalo Rumblings article that quite clearly expresses what every thinking football knows, and presents an undeniable fact….
To be successful in the NFL, a wealth of talent and luck is paramount. Talent alone isn’t enough without luck, because there are too many outliers that can impact how successful a team or any one player is week to week.
tl;dr, but can I assume you are shifting the blame elsewhere?
What happens when they fall short again this season? Whose fault will it be, since it can’t be our crack staff
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I'm blaming this guy!
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Sorry, but I think a big part of the KC success, is because they are clearly the best team in a division that has been a one team race since the merger.
In the 70's and early 80's it was the Raiders.
In the late 80's and 90's it was the Broncos.
Now it's KC's turn.
When you have the ability to rack up a perfect divisional record every year, it gives you a huge advantage come playoff time.
And for the most part, home field helps.
Woodman (06-05-2023)
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