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  • Goobylal
    Registered User
    • Jan 2004
    • 19373

    Re: Frazier gone but not forgotten???

    Originally posted by jamze132 View Post
    I’m not denigrating him. He did an OK job. Don’t run from your argument…he quit or was fired. It’s really that simple and you’re doubling down on a stupid premise like you always do.
    I'm willing to say that McD felt there needed to be a change on defense and there was a mutual parting of the ways after Frazier was demoted. Whether it proves to have been the correct move remains to be seen. I find that far more palatable than believing he quit and left McD with no alternative but to call plays, which is far-fetched anyway since you can easily promote from within, at least.

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    • Mace
      Haha...yeah you think so ?
      • Mar 2013
      • 20315

      Re: Frazier gone but not forgotten???

      Beane is straight up. Frazier will be back if he chooses...he took a leave...wasn't demoted or fired. I wish they booted him....they did not. Rest is conspiracy theory. Let it go....see what happens and go from there. It's common sense.
      Last edited by Mace; 07-01-2023, 06:56 PM.

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      • swiper
        Legendary Zoner
        • Sep 2010
        • 33105

        Re: Frazier gone but not forgotten???

        Originally posted by Mace View Post
        Beane is straight up. Frazier will be back if he chooses...he took a leave...wasn't demoted or fired. I wish they booted him....they did not. Rest is conspiracy theory. Let it go....see what happens and go from there. It's common sense.
        A guy that takes a leave doesn't get to shop himself to three other teams as Frazier did. He was clearly fired. Beane, respectfully, told the public he was taking a leave. Period. Frazier not coming back. He and that Tony Dungy defense are passe.

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        • Goobylal
          Registered User
          • Jan 2004
          • 19373

          Re: Frazier gone but not forgotten???

          Originally posted by swiper View Post
          A guy that takes a leave doesn't get to shop himself to three other teams as Frazier did. He was clearly fired. Beane, respectfully, told the public he was taking a leave. Period. Frazier not coming back. He and that Tony Dungy defense are passe.
          I have no doubt they'd take him back. But he wouldn't be calling plays. So he won't come back.

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          • notacon
            Registered User
            • Aug 2012
            • 33119

            Re: Frazier gone but not forgotten???

            Originally posted by jamze132 View Post
            I’m not denigrating him. He did an OK job. Don’t run from your argument…he quit or was fired. It’s really that simple and you’re doubling down on a stupid premise like you always do.
            You still don’t understand because you don’t want to.

            Frazier took a leave...a time out from coaching...a step back. He did not really “quit”, or that would have been what was expressed.

            BUT, even if he DID “quit” (which he did not) the way to frame the narrative in a negative and denigrating way is to say he “quit on the team”.

            IF he did quit, he quit his job, not “on the team”. There are huge differences. Again, I don't expect you to understand because your obsession with me overrides common sense and reality.

            My premie is FAR from “stupid”. It’s spot on (from everything we know).

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            • notacon
              Registered User
              • Aug 2012
              • 33119

              Re: Frazier gone but not forgotten???

              Originally posted by Goobylal View Post
              I have no doubt they'd take him back. But he wouldn't be calling plays. So he won't come back.
              More lame speculation that is ignorant (as in you have NO IDEA....NONE). Just another way to denigrate one of the best DC in the NFL.

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              • Goobylal
                Registered User
                • Jan 2004
                • 19373

                Re: Frazier gone but not forgotten???

                Originally posted by notacon View Post
                You still don’t understand because you don’t want to.

                Frazier took a leave...a time out from coaching...a step back. He did not really “quit”, or that would have been what was expressed.

                BUT, even if he DID “quit” (which he did not) the way to frame the narrative in a negative and denigrating way is to say he “quit on the team”.

                IF he did quit, he quit his job, not “on the team”. There are huge differences. Again, I don't expect you to understand because your obsession with me overrides common sense and reality.

                My premie is FAR from “stupid”. It’s spot on (from everything we know).
                Originally posted by notacon View Post
                More lame speculation that is ignorant (as in you have NO IDEA....NONE). Just another way to denigrate one of the best DC in the NFL.
                Actions speak louder than words. McD taking over play-calling and not hiring/promoting someone to DC is all the idea I need.

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                • sukie
                  Seriously?
                  • Sep 2012
                  • 21537

                  Re: Frazier gone but not forgotten???

                  Originally posted by notacon View Post
                  More lame speculation that is ignorant (as in you have NO IDEA....NONE). Just another way to denigrate one of the best former DCs in the NFL.
                  Fixed

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                  • jamze132
                    Don’t hate…
                    • Jun 2003
                    • 29426

                    Re: Frazier gone but not forgotten???

                    Originally posted by notacon View Post
                    You still don’t understand because you don’t want to.

                    Frazier took a leave...a time out from coaching...a step back. He did not really “quit”, or that would have been what was expressed.

                    BUT, even if he DID “quit” (which he did not) the way to frame the narrative in a negative and denigrating way is to say he “quit on the team”.

                    IF he did quit, he quit his job, not “on the team”. There are huge differences. Again, I don't expect you to understand because your obsession with me overrides common sense and reality.

                    My premie is FAR from “stupid”. It’s spot on (from everything we know).
                    Love how you’re creating some false narrative that I said he “quit on the team”. Classic naivecon.

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                    • notacon
                      Registered User
                      • Aug 2012
                      • 33119

                      Re: Frazier gone but not forgotten???

                      Originally posted by jamze132 View Post
                      Love how you’re creating some false narrative that I said he “quit on the team”. Classic naivecon.
                      Lame.

                      It’s fairly clear that Gooby was the one that wrote the “quitting on the team” garbage. And then you had to stick your nose into it by YOU quoting my objection to the “quitting on the team” baloney which was an implicit support of that stupid assertion.

                      Classic jamze.

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                      • notacon
                        Registered User
                        • Aug 2012
                        • 33119

                        Re: Frazier gone but not forgotten???

                        Originally posted by Goobylal View Post
                        Actions speak louder than words. McD taking over play-calling and not hiring/promoting someone to DC is all the idea I need.
                        Except you FAIL in the time line, which does NOT support your speculation.

                        The facts are all I need that ALL support my assertion.

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                        • Goobylal
                          Registered User
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 19373

                          Re: Frazier gone but not forgotten???

                          Originally posted by notacon View Post
                          Except you FAIL in the time line, which does NOT support your speculation.

                          The facts are all I need that ALL support my assertion.
                          What timeline?

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                          • cas22
                            Registered User
                            • Jul 2005
                            • 290

                            Re: Frazier gone but not forgotten???

                            do any of you all really no what happened???? I mean really common sense wise.????

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                            • Goobylal
                              Registered User
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 19373

                              Re: Frazier gone but not forgotten???

                              Originally posted by cas22 View Post
                              do any of you all really no what happened???? I mean really common sense wise.????
                              No one knows for sure. I have a good idea what happened.

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                              • jamze132
                                Don’t hate…
                                • Jun 2003
                                • 29426

                                Re: Frazier gone but not forgotten???

                                Originally posted by notacon View Post
                                Lame.

                                It’s fairly clear that Gooby was the one that wrote the “quitting on the team” garbage. And then you had to stick your nose into it by YOU quoting my objection to the “quitting on the team” baloney which was an implicit support of that stupid assertion.

                                Classic jamze.
                                I mean you “quoted” me in your response so what is one supposed to believe? You’re good at creating false narratives and the entire board knows it.

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