Re: Frazier gone but not forgotten???
You betcha I dismissed the fan theories at that time.
WHY?? Like I said, accurately, was that there was ZERO evidence of that at that time. That was then. Now we are seeing some “evidence” from (what seems to be) a credible source.
I base my opinions on evidence. At that time, what I said was 100% accurate...."the idea that Frazier was pushed out, or left because of the phantom idea that defensive play calling was being taken away...I doubt VERY MUCH and there is zero evidence of that....except in the musings on ill informed “fans” guessing.”
Interestingly, if one accepts what Mr. Lombardi says, it shoots down TWO, HUGE premises that have been bouncing around here by ignorant (as in they do not have first or even second hand knowledge) used to smear Leslie Frazier.
#1. That Frazier was “FIRED”. Clearly what Lombardi says is that Frazier's (his decision) to leave was based on McDermotts “wanting” to call plays.
#2...THIS is a MASSIVE one....that unlike the criticism that has been heaped on Frazier for blame for the “13 seconds”, because it was assumed that FRAZIER called the plays for that...is WRONG (according to Lombardi) McDermott took over play calling for the 13 seconds and HE ****ed it up?!?!?
Well...that kinda ruins so much of the vitriol thrown Frazier way. Maybe that did happen...maybe not. On top of what has been reported by Tyler Dunn, McDermott was the guy who big footed the special teams coach and forced the AWFUL decision to kick the ball into the end zone instead of doing what th Bills did several times during the season and at least once during that game....kick it short and force KC to field it which would have taken (about) 6-7 seconds off the clock. A whole other ball of wax then 13 seconds with the ball on their own 25.
If (and that is a BIG “if”) McDermott has been meddling in defensive plays calling from time to time, and so many “fans” here try to **** on the defense baling FRAZIER...well...that’s been shot to hell.
In any event, Lombardi’s theories (“evidence”, I guess) was almost immediately refuted (as was the theory of yours that I agreed with) that Digg’s drama was because of a rift with Dorsey) by a very well informed writer who is known for having a lot of ties within the Bills organization.
I never really heard (or more likely did not pay attention) of Michale Lombardi until this came out. His last job in the NFL was working for the New England Patriots so there is some reason to doubt anything he says about the Bills.
Tim Graham, on the Peter hand, is a writer I respect and trust.
Tim Graham refutes recent rumors on rifts at One Bills Drive
That’s a lot of alliteration to discuss 13 seconds and the Stefon Diggs situation
Recent comments from Michael Lombardi about the Buffalo Bills appear to have dropped quite the bombshell. The short version is that it has to do with a couple of key allegations in recent Bills events. Have you been perturbed by “13 Seconds,” defensive play-calling, and/or the weird departure of assistant head coach/defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier? Lombardi asserted that the play-calling for “13 Seconds” was head coach Sean McDermott, not Leslie Frazier. Further, that this and other developments led to Frazier leaving (check the link below for the full story).
Well, every coin has two sides and Tim Graham, known for his deep connections to Buffalo sports, had a different perspective on the matter. Per Graham, “McDermott told me at the combine that the only time he ever called the plays was that brief time in 2018.” This is of course a reference to the time McDermott took over play calling mid-game against the Los Angeles Chargers. Frazier resumed his usual duties the following game.
In addition, Graham indicates that this was told to him after specifically being asked “how often he’d taken over” defensive play calling. That appears to be a preemptive attempt by Graham to get ahead of any skeptical tearing apart of the response he claimed to have gotten. That wasn’t the only drama that Graham dove into recently.
During a recent episode of “Talking Buffalo,” Tim Graham also discussed the little he knows about the issue that led to Stefon Diggs missing 50% of the team’s mandatory minicamp this season. While Graham couldn’t say what the reason was, he was able to say what one reason wasn’t.
The widely speculated rift between Stefon Diggs and offensive coordinator Ken Dorsey can be considered nonexistent per Graham. With that being the leading theory in most circles, the answer is a double-edged sword. It seemingly clears Dorsey, but leaves us left to continue looking for other parties to point at.
Hmmmmmm….differing theories.
Is Mr. Lombardi expressing his opinion of what happened??? Or does it come from information from any of the principles.
He does not say.
There are some significant differences in the stories.
If you want to accept Lombardi 100% without question, then that means that two theories being thrown around here willy-nilly like there are “fact” have been shot to pieces.
At this point, the “evidence” is still very murky and certainly not nearly enough to declare exactly what happened as fact. Yet...I suspect some posters will anyway.
I can say this though.....with some of the information that has been coming out, it sure seems like McDermott has THIS season to show that he has what it takes to win a Super Bowl. If not...I’m not sure how much longer he will have support from the fans (me included), or should get from Pegula.
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WHY?? Like I said, accurately, was that there was ZERO evidence of that at that time. That was then. Now we are seeing some “evidence” from (what seems to be) a credible source.
I base my opinions on evidence. At that time, what I said was 100% accurate...."the idea that Frazier was pushed out, or left because of the phantom idea that defensive play calling was being taken away...I doubt VERY MUCH and there is zero evidence of that....except in the musings on ill informed “fans” guessing.”
Interestingly, if one accepts what Mr. Lombardi says, it shoots down TWO, HUGE premises that have been bouncing around here by ignorant (as in they do not have first or even second hand knowledge) used to smear Leslie Frazier.
#1. That Frazier was “FIRED”. Clearly what Lombardi says is that Frazier's (his decision) to leave was based on McDermotts “wanting” to call plays.
#2...THIS is a MASSIVE one....that unlike the criticism that has been heaped on Frazier for blame for the “13 seconds”, because it was assumed that FRAZIER called the plays for that...is WRONG (according to Lombardi) McDermott took over play calling for the 13 seconds and HE ****ed it up?!?!?
Well...that kinda ruins so much of the vitriol thrown Frazier way. Maybe that did happen...maybe not. On top of what has been reported by Tyler Dunn, McDermott was the guy who big footed the special teams coach and forced the AWFUL decision to kick the ball into the end zone instead of doing what th Bills did several times during the season and at least once during that game....kick it short and force KC to field it which would have taken (about) 6-7 seconds off the clock. A whole other ball of wax then 13 seconds with the ball on their own 25.
If (and that is a BIG “if”) McDermott has been meddling in defensive plays calling from time to time, and so many “fans” here try to **** on the defense baling FRAZIER...well...that’s been shot to hell.
In any event, Lombardi’s theories (“evidence”, I guess) was almost immediately refuted (as was the theory of yours that I agreed with) that Digg’s drama was because of a rift with Dorsey) by a very well informed writer who is known for having a lot of ties within the Bills organization.
I never really heard (or more likely did not pay attention) of Michale Lombardi until this came out. His last job in the NFL was working for the New England Patriots so there is some reason to doubt anything he says about the Bills.
Tim Graham, on the Peter hand, is a writer I respect and trust.
Tim Graham refutes recent rumors on rifts at One Bills Drive
That’s a lot of alliteration to discuss 13 seconds and the Stefon Diggs situation
Recent comments from Michael Lombardi about the Buffalo Bills appear to have dropped quite the bombshell. The short version is that it has to do with a couple of key allegations in recent Bills events. Have you been perturbed by “13 Seconds,” defensive play-calling, and/or the weird departure of assistant head coach/defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier? Lombardi asserted that the play-calling for “13 Seconds” was head coach Sean McDermott, not Leslie Frazier. Further, that this and other developments led to Frazier leaving (check the link below for the full story).
Well, every coin has two sides and Tim Graham, known for his deep connections to Buffalo sports, had a different perspective on the matter. Per Graham, “McDermott told me at the combine that the only time he ever called the plays was that brief time in 2018.” This is of course a reference to the time McDermott took over play calling mid-game against the Los Angeles Chargers. Frazier resumed his usual duties the following game.
In addition, Graham indicates that this was told to him after specifically being asked “how often he’d taken over” defensive play calling. That appears to be a preemptive attempt by Graham to get ahead of any skeptical tearing apart of the response he claimed to have gotten. That wasn’t the only drama that Graham dove into recently.
During a recent episode of “Talking Buffalo,” Tim Graham also discussed the little he knows about the issue that led to Stefon Diggs missing 50% of the team’s mandatory minicamp this season. While Graham couldn’t say what the reason was, he was able to say what one reason wasn’t.
The widely speculated rift between Stefon Diggs and offensive coordinator Ken Dorsey can be considered nonexistent per Graham. With that being the leading theory in most circles, the answer is a double-edged sword. It seemingly clears Dorsey, but leaves us left to continue looking for other parties to point at.
Hmmmmmm….differing theories.
Is Mr. Lombardi expressing his opinion of what happened??? Or does it come from information from any of the principles.
He does not say.
There are some significant differences in the stories.
If you want to accept Lombardi 100% without question, then that means that two theories being thrown around here willy-nilly like there are “fact” have been shot to pieces.
At this point, the “evidence” is still very murky and certainly not nearly enough to declare exactly what happened as fact. Yet...I suspect some posters will anyway.
I can say this though.....with some of the information that has been coming out, it sure seems like McDermott has THIS season to show that he has what it takes to win a Super Bowl. If not...I’m not sure how much longer he will have support from the fans (me included), or should get from Pegula.
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