D Hop released

[notacon]

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Wow. Why would Arizona take such a hit??

Because they are in 100% rebuild mode. There is no reason to keep him on the team, and get the cap hit out of the way ASAP. With two first round picks in 2024, their own and Houston, they could easily both be in the top 5.

Would anyone be surprised if they cut Murray loose after 2024 season? Draft the #1 QB in a 2024 class that is widely seen as much better than 2023??

Murray’s last year of guaranteed salary is 2024....$35M. They cut him loose (or trade him to some stupid team) and the cap savings for 2025 is a hopping $33M.

Overthecap provides nominal cap pace projections for next five years based on current contracts. Even with Murray’s huge cap hit, they are projected to be under the cap in 2024 by $51M....in 2025 under the cap by $161M.

This ditching of Holpkns now (on the wrong side of 30) is a no-brainer. The QB position will probably not be settled for some time.

[DraftBoy]

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Bringing in Hopkins makes sense in terms of adding a real #2 to the team and relegating Davis to a more limited 3/4 role which is where he should be. Adding Hopkins after drafting Kincaid doesn’t make a ton of sense to me given you have to feed Hopkins the ball to keep him happy and get him going.

I get the can’t have enough weapons argument, but the only question on offense that matters is Allen getting back to where he needs to be.

[notacon]

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I don’t think that KC is going to bid for him. They don’t need him. The mistake that too many assumed when they traded Tyreek Hill was that the offense would take a big hit.

How did that work out??

KC’s offense runs through Mahomes and KELCE. He has been their most prolific receiver every year he’s been on the team (his first year (2013) he was inured and hardly played).


Every year since then he has been with the #1 or #2 receiver in catches or yards....several of those years both.

Can the Bills use Hopkins? Absolutely. WR is one of the weakest positions on the team, which is why that position was almost completely overhauled this off season with a 50% turnover. The most of any position by far.

Kincaid could be an amazing addition. So could Harty and Sherfield, but despite Davis being better than some off the opinions here, there is no question that he has not secured the #2 WR spot as hoped.

I, (and a lot of other posters) objected to a trade for Hopkins. The main obstacles were giving up anything for him...even late round draft picks, and especially being saddled with his contract.

Now, those impediments are taken away. It’s time for the Bills to get serious.

I have held the maxim, and proved it with the facts, that teams do not, in almost ANY circumstances, have two players in the same position that are within the top 10 ranked by AVG/Y.

The Bills already have the #7 highest paid WR. #10 highest paid WR in AVG/Y (after Hopkins was released, before that he was the #3 at $27.2M AVG/Y) is Keenan Allen at $20.025M.

$20M seems like too much to pay a 31 year old WR who has only played 19 of the past 32 games.

Signing a contact right around what OBJ just got, $15M, structured to allow the Bills to stay within the cap without too much kicking the can down the road with restructured of others aging vets, would seem what Beane is aiming for, or should be aiming for.

If it gets into some kind of pissing match on money....forget it. We don't need him that badly.

[sukie]

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Interesting to see what the Fins do when Waddle cashes in. Two top 5 WRs under contract… sounds like a cap issue.

[Mace]

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I don't want to see them pay 15 mil for a guy who has played 19 of 32 games the past two years. Tbe result is predictable. They have weapons. Use them appropriately. It's a desperation move...not a move for sustained success.

[DraftBoy]

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I don't want to see them pay 15 mil for a guy who has played 19 of 32 games the past two years. Tbe result is predictable. They have weapons. Use them appropriately. It's a desperation move...not a move for sustained success.

Window is closing, nobody cares about sustained success if you never actually win anything. I’m fine with a desperation move at this point.

[Woodman]

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The question: Should the Bills pursue Hopkins?

If the Bills are interested in Hopkins, the first thing to understand is that they aren’t getting the same player who made five Pro Bowls in six seasons.

Hopkins will turn 31 years old on June 6 and he played 35 of 50 games in three seasons with the Cardinals. He tore his MCL 10 games into the 2021 season and was suspended the first six games of last season due to a violation of the NFL’s policy on performance enhancing drugs.

Meanwhile, five receivers 30 or older ranked in the NFL’s top-50 in receptions or yards receiving last season. Hopkins ranked 49th in receiving yards.

The other barrier for Buffalo will be money. Although no team will have to take on the $19.45 million he was owed to Arizona — which was a sticking point for teams trading for him leading up to the draft — he still may command a decent sum as a free agent.

Sabato- DeAndre Hopkins is worth pursuing, but Bills can't bend on price | Sports | niagara-gazette.com

[Woodman]

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According to the NFLPA, Buffalo currently has $3,163,801 million in cap space, which means he would have to take a team-friendly deal like the majority of the free agents signed this offseason, or more likely, general manager Brandon Beane will have to restructure contracts or make some roster moves to create enough space.

The good news for Bills fans is that other teams rumored to be interested, like the Chiefs, are always strapped for cash. Kansas City has $1.6 million in cap space and couldn’t afford to re-sign JuJu Smith-Schuster in free agency.

The Jets were players for Beckham and have $6.7 million in cap, with more flexibility than the Bills in restructuring contracts. The Cowboys are also in need of a receiver and Jerry Jones is still always looking to make a splash.

The answer: Yes, but cautiously.

The money will be the caveat. If Hopkins is seeking the $15 million base salary Odell Beckham Jr. signed with the Ravens, the Bills likely wouldn’t be able to make a deal or they would be foolish to try.

[f8ta1ity54]

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Because they are tanking for a high draft pick.



Decision to take full DeAndre Hopkins cap hit in 2023 proves one thing: The Cardinals are tanking

I would too at this point. Williams and Maye are the best QBs to come out since Lawrence IMO. I dont know why any team would have drafted a QB in this class. I would have been trying to hoard picks.

[f8ta1ity54]

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The bills would be foolish to not do what it takes to get Hopkins now that that he is a FA. This team needs a championship and Hopkins gives you 2 stud WRs and injury insurance. Bills could rotate Hopkins and Diggs in the slot keeping gabe as the #3 on the boundary.

[OpIv37]

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The bills would be foolish to not do what it takes to get Hopkins now that that he is a FA. This team needs a championship and Hopkins gives you 2 stud WRs and injury insurance. Bills could rotate Hopkins and Diggs in the slot keeping gabe as the #3 on the boundary.

The window is closing. I don’t blame the Bills for not trading for him when he had a $19 mil cap hit but that’s off the books now. It’s time to go all in. If the window hasn’t passed, we’ve got one or two more chances. He doesn’t need the money. We want a title, he wants a title. The best option is doing it together

[Turf]

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Watch out for Baltimore.

[yordad]

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Is he or is he not ghetto AF? Real question

[swiper]

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Window is closing, nobody cares about sustained success if you never actually win anything. I’m fine with a desperation move at this point.

LOL. So says the self-proclaimed experts. There is no windows closing. The only window is Allen's age, he's young. All the other pieces are replaceable.

Furthermore, you sign a Hopkins and it pushes Gabe Davis down, Shakir down, the new TE down in their looks. All players that should be getting more looks, not less. 2021 Davis is a fine #2 WR.

[ghz in pittsburgh]

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I don’t think that KC is going to bid for him. They don’t need him. The mistake that too many assumed when they traded Tyreek Hill was that the offense would take a big hit.

How did that work out??

KC’s offense runs through Mahomes and KELCE. He has been their most prolific receiver every year he’s been on the team (his first year (2013) he was inured and hardly played).


Every year since then he has been with the #1 or #2 receiver in catches or yards....several of those years both.

Can the Bills use Hopkins? Absolutely. WR is one of the weakest positions on the team, which is why that position was almost completely overhauled this off season with a 50% turnover. The most of any position by far.

Kincaid could be an amazing addition. So could Harty and Sherfield, but despite Davis being better than some off the opinions here, there is no question that he has not secured the #2 WR spot as hoped.

I, (and a lot of other posters) objected to a trade for Hopkins. The main obstacles were giving up anything for him...even late round draft picks, and especially being saddled with his contract.

Now, those impediments are taken away. It’s time for the Bills to get serious.

I have held the maxim, and proved it with the facts, that teams do not, in almost ANY circumstances, have two players in the same position that are within the top 10 ranked by AVG/Y.

The Bills already have the #7 highest paid WR. #10 highest paid WR in AVG/Y (after Hopkins was released, before that he was the #3 at $27.2M AVG/Y) is Keenan Allen at $20.025M.

$20M seems like too much to pay a 31 year old WR who has only played 19 of the past 32 games.

Signing a contact right around what OBJ just got, $15M, structured to allow the Bills to stay within the cap without too much kicking the can down the road with restructured of others aging vets, would seem what Beane is aiming for, or should be aiming for.

If it gets into some kind of pissing match on money....forget it. We don't need him that badly.

KC were definitely interested. They went further than the Bills did pre-draft. Reportedly the Bills and Chiefs are the only teams that got to talk to Hopkins in person before getting serious compensation discussion with the Cardinals and then contract parameters with Hopkins.

Obviously a lot has changed post draft. Personally I think Hopkins himself may have forced the issue. Think about it. The Cardinals, by their final decision, indicate that they would accept any compensation and be better than it is now. But why it didn't happen? Hopkins contract! If he is sticking to the Cards by saying no negotiation to even allow the Cards to pay part of his salary for prospective trade partner (which means Cards could get a better pick potentially), or tell any potential trade partner he's not going to renegotiate a new contract, the thing is dead. Why? He gets to choose where he goes and likely a bidding war for him to get a financial deal that betters what he has now from an overall perspective.