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Re: Oliver extended

Ed Oliver is only going to get more expensive as time goes on. The Bills believe in his ability, and I don't blame them. The results will speak for themselves.

Please just stop. They do. 2.5 sacks last season. Beane just upped for $17 million a year for 2.5 sacks a season. THAT looks stupid.

And don't hand me he was injured. If he was injured in 2023, he'll probably be injured in 2024.

And what does Beane say to Jones when he puts in 5 or 6 sacks? "I doubled Oliver in production, I want twice his money." What, exactly makes Ed Oliver so special? Answer: nothing. He's a failed draft pick. The ONLY thing that got him this deal was that he was one of Beane's picks. A failed one at that. Ed Oliver has been impressive all of about 1/2 dozen plays in his entire career. The rest is forgettable.

He's merely a hair better than that dreadlocked MLB they jettisoned.

[YardRat]

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Yes why? He’s playing this year for less today than yesterday. This deal lowers the 2023 cap. Trade after the season or before. Teams wouldn’t find the new numbers too high and he wouldn’t be viewed as a rental. Bills actually could get something for him… unlike edmunds.

Depends on how the bonuses are structured, but any upfront signing bonus would all drop from being pro-rated and moved up into this year's cap for Buffalo which most likely is impossible.

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Oliver, 25, Has appeared in 62 games with 53 starts for Buffalo over the last four years. He has recorded 14.5 sacks, 30 tackles for loss, and 42 quarterback hits.

Last season, Oliver had 2.5 sacks, nine tackles for loss, 14 QB hits, and three passes defensed in 13 games for the Bills.

LOL @ $68 million for that.


Bruce Smith and Kyle Williams are cringing somewhere.

[sukie]

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Bruce smith and Kyle Williams played more downs per season.

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15th highest paid DT is fine I guess. Not a lot of splash plays though. I am surprised he signed for that little.

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Depends on the structure, but not something I would have necessarily hopped on.

On a slightly related note, just more evidence they didn't value Edmunds nearly as much as 'the experts' said they did.

I was sure I was going to see this kind of crap when I opened this thread. A dedicated Edmunds Hater did not disappoint.

Your premise is the usual Edmunds Hating baloney.

I’ve addressed this knuckle headed little variation of Edmunds Derangement Syndrome form the usual suspects....dedicated Edmunds Haters....like YOU.

The uneducated assumption is that the Bills did not even try to extend Edmunds before his fifth year option. No one here knows for sure exactly what happen, but it is much more likely that EDMUNDS rebuffed any talk of extension.

The FACT is that it takes agreement from both sides, Bills and the player, to make any deal. The Bills have said time and time and time aging that they valued Edmunds in a big way and wanted him to return. To opine opposite is just plain false.

A smart agent would have told him to sit tight, keep his mouth shut, and wait until he could hit the open market to cash in....which he did BIG TIME. Besides the fact that EDMUNDS may not have wanted to stay in Buffalo considering the unending insufferable **** thrown his way by too many “fans”....like we see here.

Yeah....players know what fans (and other players and the sports media) are saying about them. The “experts” in sports media were all saying the same thing...that Edmunds was going to find a very lucrative market for his services...which he did.

He got that huge contract that made him the highest paid off-ball LB in NFL history. Which means the ‘experts’ were SPOT ON in the value of Edmunds in the NFL market. Your premise is silly and rather dumb as we always get from Edmunds Haters.

As anyone who knows anything about NFL football should know (not just the “experts”) the value for IDL is higher than for off-ball LB’s. Just like the value for tackles is higher than guards. Or QB’s (#1 highest AVG/Y) as compared to WR’s (#2 highest AVG/Y)


The facts are plain as day. Here are the top 10 IDL’s and LB’s (all LB’s not just off-ball LB’s).

Rank	Player	Team	AVG/Y
	IDL
1	Aaron Donald	Rams	$31,666,667
2	Jeffery Simmons	Titans	$23,500,000
3	Daron Payne	Commanders	$22,500,000
4	Dexter Lawrence	Giants	$22,500,000
5	Leonard Williams	Giants	$21,000,000
6	Javon Hargrave	49ers	$21,000,000
7	DeForest Buckner	Colts	$21,000,000
8	Chris Jones	Chiefs	$20,000,000
9	Jonathan Allen	Commanders	$18,000,000
10	Vita Vea	Buccaneers	$17,750,000
		Average	$21,891,667
	LB
1	Roquan Smith	Ravens	$20,000,000
2	Shaquille Leonard	Colts	$19,700,000
3	Fred Warner	49ers	$19,045,000
4	Tremaine Edmunds	Bears	$18,000,000
5	C.J. Mosley	Jets	$17,000,000
6	Foyesade Oluokun	Jaguars	$15,000,000
7	Matt Milano	Bills	$14,165,000
8	Jerome Baker	Dolphins	$12,500,000
9	Bobby Okereke	Giants	$10,000,000
10	De'Vondre Campbell	Packers	$10,000,000
		Average	$15,541,000

The fact is that the top paid LB does not even crack the top 7 of IDL. The average oil the AVG/Y of the top 10 for IDL is FORTY PERCENT higher than LB’s.


Ed Oliver’s extension, coupled with his fifth year option, has his five year AVG/Y of $15.75M....ranked #16 for IDL. Right where it should be.


So, your snarky Edmunds hating bullcrap is just that....bullcrap.

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This is a very smart extension by the Bills. A fair price for Oliver’s performance and the expectation of his future growth....he has an untapped ceiling.

Too many so-called “fans” here, who are quick to throw quality players away like used tissues, have been shown once again that they know a lot less about football than they think they do. Especially when it comes to what the Bills do and should value.

So many were saying that Oliver should be traded (even here after it is obvious that the Bills want him long term....we have one poster saying it’s time to trade him ) or not even considered for an extension.

Another poster actually proposed trading Oliver to Arizona for Hopkins?!?!? Uhhhhhh....that would have been one the dumbest things to do, especially in hindsight when he was released outright shortly after that absurd prediction.

I actually stared listening some of the crap thrown Oliver’s way. I knew better but was trying to have an open mind....maybe this time the majority opinion here was more realistic???

Man was I a sucker.

I should know by now to take the majority opinion here (especially when ****ting on players) with a grain of salt. Arm chair coaches and GM’s that don’t have any credible instinct or as much football knowledge than they think they do, certainly much less than enough to credibly second guess anyone, much less the Bills organization.

This was my instinct back in January about a week after the disappointing end to the season....responding to the kind of knuckle-headed majority opinion ****ting on Oliver....

I just dont see how the Bills can justify extending Oliver based on his inconsistent play and the Bills salary cap situation. I would trade him now and get a 2nd and a 5th round pick for him. Draft his replacement. Use the money on Edmunds if enough cap space after restructuring.

If some Buffalo Bills fans don’t think there is a justification to extend Oliver, what makes you think that they would be able to get a 2nd and 5th round pick for him??? Or is it the case that he IS worth a 2nd & 5th round pick....and it would not make much sense to trade him.

For the record, I lean YES on extending him. He certainly performed at very high level when Von Miller was playing and had many exceptional games, virtually unstoppable. And it’s a decision that does not have to be made this off season and the $10M 5th year option number is more than reasonable.

What we do know is that when the decision to pick up his 5th year option came around, it was seen as a no-brainer almost everywhere.


This was the observation from Joe B. in his last All-22 analysis, and it rings very accurate....

DT Ed Oliver

In a game in which the Bills needed a huge performance from fourth-year defensive tackle Ed Oliver, he had one of the worst games of his career. Bengals quarterback Joe Burrow is one of the best at getting the ball out quickly, so instant pressure would have been the best route to slowing down their passing game. Defensive tackle is the quickest path to the quarterback in the pocket, which is why he was so important to the game plan. Oliver also worked against a trio of interior offensive linemen, including a rookie and a backup, but failed to make noise from his pivotal three-technique defensive tackle position. He provided little as a pass rusher and got pushed around on rushing attempts out of shotgun. Oliver will be in his fifth-year option in 2023, so what should we make of his disappointing performance?

It was no doubt one of the most significant contributions to the Bills’ defeat Sunday, but it likely wasn’t a sign of things to come for Oliver. He has been one of the most consistent weekly performers throughout his career, and in the two months leading up to the Bengals game, Oliver was on the short list of the best players on the roster. The surrounding talent at defensive tackle against the Bengals was well below the norm, which is notable to Oliver’s performance. DaQuan Jones was injured, a torn rotator cuff severely restricted Jordan Phillips, and Oliver spent most of his snaps next to the underwhelming Tim Settle. Oliver received a lot of attention from the Bengals because of it. Part of the trouble with the Oliver debate is a lot of the positive things he does goes unnoticed, and he isn’t the flashy three-technique some were expecting. The discussion is similar to the one that followed linebacker Tremaine Edmunds for years. Those flash plays are likely the “more meat on the bone” general manager Brandon Beane referred to Tuesday. But Oliver still makes impact plays almost every week and should remain a core starter.

A LOT of players had really a really bad game last week for the Bills. That does not mean it’s time to move on from them.

THANK GOD Brandon Beane does not listen to most of the arm-chair GM’s here.

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THANK GOD Brandon Beane does not listen to most of the arm-chair GM’s here.

You're so right!

He does such a great job at drafting, other than Allen he's been completely atrocious.

He does such a good job at finding veteran talent to fill out the roster, we have an awful o-line that's a turnstile half the time leading to our best player taking unnecessary hits.

He does such a good job making trades, we brought in Hines who outside of kick returns didn't even see the field.

Oliver isn't a bad player but he's not a difference maker. He's just another replaceable guy who we paid like he's a top DT in the game.

Donahoe was an expert too. Brandon was an expert. Just because they have the title, doesn't mean they're any better than "arm-chair GMs" or your hero that you go to constantly to give you your opinion, Joe B.

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You're so right!

He does such a great job at drafting, other than Allen he's been completely atrocious.

He does such a good job at finding veteran talent to fill out the roster, we have an awful o-line that's a turnstile half the time leading to our best player taking unnecessary hits.

He does such a good job making trades, we brought in Hines who outside of kick returns didn't even see the field.

Oliver isn't a bad player but he's not a difference maker. He's just another replaceable guy who we paid like he's a top DT in the game.

Donahoe was an expert too. Brandon was an expert. Just because they have the title, doesn't mean they're any better than "arm-chair GMs" or your hero that you go to constantly to give you your opinion, Joe B.

What baloney.

From one of the king of Edmunds Haters, the same negative **** is expected out of you most of the time about almost everything about the team. Your opinions are the epitome of one who knows a lot less about football than he thinks he does.

I’ve learned to not listen to hardly anything your write.

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Numbers don't really matter in a case like this.

White---extended.
Allen---extended.
Edmunds---not extended.
Oliver...extended.
Diggs**...extended.
Rousseau 2 yrs, Elam 1 year, Kincaid rookie....TBD and too early.

Every single one of the players McD/Beane have used a first round asset on has been extended at least one year (roughly) before their contract expires.

Except one.

They've given very good extensions to other draft picks (Milano, Knox, TJohnson, Bass) and free agents (Hyde, Poyer).

Rhetoric and smoke-up-your-ass coachspeak aside the team's perception is obvious.

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I've scaled back into "prove how it all succeeds" mode. Not just Oliver...the whole process we've committed to and the way we've done it. Program should be in its' peak after this many years or it's a crapshoot if it can still work better.

Whatever...we'll see.

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I'm glad I started this thread so you guys can work through your visceral hatred for one another.

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I'm glad I started this thread so you guys can work through your visceral hatred for one another.

LOL

10/10

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What baloney.

From one of the king of Edmunds Haters, the same negative **** is expected out of you most of the time about almost everything about the team. Your opinions are the epitome of one who knows a lot less about football than he thinks he does.

I’ve learned to not listen to hardly anything your write.

That's great, because nobody listens to the stupid ***** that you post. It's ALWAYS wrong. You don't know the first thing about football. Go away.

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Well, this basically kills any chance of signing Hopkins. Whether we should or shouldn’t is no longer a relevant topic, because we can’t fit him under the cap.

This is yet another sign that Beane and McD are all in with what they’ve built. Maybe they’re confident that they have something, maybe they’re being stubborn and stupid, maybe they just already played their hand in terms of the cap, so it is what it is. Doesn’t matter- the real world outcome is the same regardless of the reason.

In 2020, the Bills overachieved a bit, mainly because of Allen. In 2021 and 2022, we had a chance but it didn’t come through. IMO the biggest reason is because this is a very good team, but it’s not an elite team. We hit a wall every time we have to face the elite.

And that’s why this move concerns me. If Oliver improves even a little- and that’s a big “if”- it could turn out to be a great deal. Even at his current level, it’s not a bad deal. But, with the cap implications, it means we’re all in. Either this team will get the Lombardi, or they won’t and we are starting over in a few years. And we already saw the results the last few years.

I just don’t see this team getting it done.