92% of NFL players want grass fields

[notacon]

I root for the laundry. Players come and go after several years but owners/teams typically remain for decades.

And a lot of workers don't get to choose every aspect of their work environment to make it 100% of their liking. If an NFL player feels so strongly about the playing surface, he can ask for a trade, or if he's a FA, cross off teams with artificial turf.

So, you are not only admitting to, bit are proud to be taking the side of GREEDY NFL owners and, basically, ****TING ALL OVER the players, their well being, health and preferences for their work environment?!?!?!

Wow!

[notacon]

Because fans allow it to happen. If you truly want to find a party at fault then put that blame on the fans that couldn’t give any **** what surface the players are forced to play on and happily subsidize the building of domes through tax breaks and direct payments for new stadium construction.

For as passionate an argument as you want to make you’re not stopping your viewing, buying of merch, or attending games over this issue. Which is why nothing changes, same with the refs, and the other litany of items that fans love to complain about, but aren’t willing to do anything about.

This argument is such a stretch. Really??? You want to blame the FANS?!?!?! Oy vey!!!

[sukie]

Not hunting for it again. You stated that you preferred a stadium downtown and if they couldn’t afford a downtown stadium open air then at least put a dome in the snow belt middle of no where location.

[Goobylal]

So, you are not only admitting to, bit are proud to be taking the side of GREEDY NFL owners and, basically, ****TING ALL OVER the players, their well being, health and preferences for their work environment?!?!?!

Wow!

Again, if they really feel that strongly about it, they have options. Like not playing at all.

[notacon]

Not hunting for it again. You stated that you preferred a stadium downtown and if they couldn’t afford a downtown stadium open air then at least put a dome in the snow belt middle of no where location.

That is irreverent to the subject of what kind of field NFL should play on. IF I wrote "...if they couldn’t afford a downtown stadium open air then at least put a dome in the snow belt" that has NOTHING to do with a grass field.

In FACT, in June last year a confused poster (rather stupidly) criticized the heating a grass field after it was announced that the Bills would install one in the new stadium, with this silly misnomer of ignorance...

Heated grass = warm mud, is anyone still playing in their yard come December ?

I responded with the same reasoning (and rock solid premise) that "Non-grass stadiums should be banned in the NFL. Even for domes". Here is my post from then....

Yep. The Packers play on one of the most advanced “grass” fields in the NFL.....”GrassMaster”. Besides heating it, GrassMaster “reinforces a natural grass pitch by vertically inserting 20 million polypropylene (PP) fibres into the soil equally spread over the entire playing field.”


It is widely used around the world for soccer stadiums (the list is extensive...see the link above) as most soccer league require grass fields.

Philadelphia is the other stadium that uses the same technology. Here is a list of the various field types for each NFL stadium....

• Arizona Cardinals, State Farm Stadium, Bermuda grass
• Atlanta Falcons, Mercedes-Benz Stadium, FieldTurf Revolution
• Baltimore Ravens, M&T Bank Stadium, Bermuda grass
• Buffalo Bills, Highmark Stadium, A-Turf Titan 50
• Carolina Panthers, Bank of America Stadium, FieldTurf
• Chicago Bears, Soldier Field, Kentucky bluegrass
• Cincinnati Bengals, Paul Brown Stadium, UBU Speed Series S5-M Synthetic Turf
• Cleveland Browns, FirstEnergy Stadium, Kentucky bluegrass
• Dallas Cowboys, AT&T Stadium, Hellas Matrix Turf
• Denver Broncos, Empower Field at Mile High, Kentucky bluegrass
• Detroit Lions, Ford Field, FieldTurf Classic HD
• Green Bay Packers, Lambeau Field, Desso GrassMaster
• Houston Texans, NRG Stadium, Hellas Matrix Turf
• Indianapolis Colts, Lucas Oil Stadium, Shaw Sports Momentum Pro
• Jacksonville Jaguars, TIAA Bank Field, Bermuda grass
• Kansas City Chiefs, Arrowhead Stadium, Bermuda grass
• Las Vegas Raiders, Allegiant Stadium, Bermuda grass
• Los Angeles Rams, Los Angeles Chargers, SoFi Stadium, Hellas Matrix Turf
• Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Raymond James Stadium, Bermuda grass
• Tennessee Titans, Nissan Stadium, Bermuda grass
• Washington Football Team, FedExField, Bermuda grass
• New Orleans Saints, Caesars Superdome, FieldTurf Revolution 360
• New York Giants, New York Jets, MetLife Stadium, UBU Sports Speed Series S5-M Synthetic Turf
• Philadelphia Eagles, Lincoln Financial Field, Desso GrassMaster
• Pittsburgh Steelers, Heinz Field, Kentucky bluegrass
• San Francisco 49ers, Levi’s Stadium, Bermuda grass, Perennial Ryegrass mixture
• Seattle Seahawks, Lumen Field, FieldTurf Revolution 360

Non-grass stadiums should be banned in the NFL. Even for domes. All grass needs to grow is water and light. With today’s LED technology it is relatively easy (but not necessary cheap) to provide artificial “sunlight”.

The last 16 years of my career was with a photo/video lighting manufacturer, and LED technology has come a long way in that time. A different division of the company developed, manufactured and sold a portable lighting system that could grow marijuana.

Large indoor marijuana fields are lit by LEDS.





LEDS are already being used in soccer stadiums to aid in grass growth year round. This is used to maintain “pitch” quality during the winter in cold climate locations.




Domes are not commonly used for soccer but it is not a stretch to believe that LED technology can, in fact, grow and maintain grass in a domed stadium

With the vast wealth of the NFL they could relatively easily require grass fields in the name of player safety.

So, if you are lamely trying to illustrate inconsistencies in my opinion, you are WRONG, WRONG WRONG!!!

[notacon]

I root for the laundry. Players come and go after several years but owners/teams typically remain for decades.

And a lot of workers don't get to choose every aspect of their work environment to make it 100% of their liking. If an NFL player feels so strongly about the playing surface, he can ask for a trade, or if he's a FA, cross off teams with artificial turf.

Again, if they really feel that strongly about it, they have options. Like not playing at all.

There you go again with absurd absolutes.

In the real world, UNIONS do, IN FACT, negotiate many (saying "100% of their liking" is silly) work environment and WORKER SAFETY issues. They have done so for over 100 years.

In FACT, UPS workers have been asking for AC in their trucks for years. The latest contract (avoiding a crippling strike) included the long sought after addressing dangerous HEAT as it relates to HEALTH and WELL BEING of employees. The agreement institutes....

UPS had long resisted calls to add air conditioning to its fleet. The new contract includes an agreement to gradually equip the company’s fleet of vehicles with air conditioning systems, new heat shields and additional fans. The agreement requires in-cab air conditioning in most UPS delivery vehicles purchased after Jan. 1, 2024. Two fans would also be installed in package cars, which make up most of the company’s 93,000-vehicle fleet. Newer vehicles would also be equipped with exhaust heat shields.

Existing and newly purchased package cars would be fitted with air induction vents to alleviate extreme temperatures in the back of the vehicles where cargo is loaded and unloaded. Occupational Safety and Health Administration inspectors have documented heat indexes of 126 degrees Fahrenheit, and temperature readings provided to NBC News taken by workers in their trucks in Arizona and Florida have shown temperatures above 150 degrees Fahrenheit. More than 100 UPS workers have been hospitalized for heat illnesses in recent years, with some falling so ill that they neared kidney failure.

Your other comment that "...if they really feel that strongly about it, they have options. Like not playing at all." shows the FACT that you are, gleefully, ****TING ALL OVER the players, their well being and health.

WOW.

I find that attitude disgusting and showing a shocking lack of concern for fellow human beings, but not surprising with your known (from discussions we have had in the past) political leanings.

[Goobylal]

There you go again with absurd absolutes.

In the real world, UNIONS do, IN FACT, negotiate many (saying "100% of their liking" is silly) work environment and WORKER SAFETY issues. They have done so for over 100 years.

In FACT, UPS workers have been asking for AC in their trucks for years. The latest contract (avoiding a crippling strike) included the long sought after addressing dangerous HEAT as it relates to HEALTH and WELL BEING of employees. The agreement institutes....


Your other comment that "...if they really feel that strongly about it, they have options. Like not playing at all." shows the FACT that you are, gleefully, ****TING ALL OVER the players, their well being and health.

WOW.

I find that attitude disgusting and showing a shocking lack of concern for fellow human beings, but not surprising with your known (from discussions we have had in the past) political leanings.

If you're worried about safety, you shouldn't watch the game at all like DB suggested. Or advocate for it to become flag football. It's a violent game and injuries happen. How far do you want to take this?

[DraftBoy]

This argument is such a stretch. Really??? You want to blame the FANS?!?!?! Oy vey!!!

So what you’re saying is that you don’t really care about this issue because grass or no grass won’t impact what you do regarding the league.

[sukie]

Soccer is not football as far as wear and tear on the grass surface. Every article mentions the difference in abuse an NFL game puts on a grass surface. Grow lights aid in growth but do not replace natural sunlight which would be required in Ford Field.

stop pasting 3 inches when the obstacle of natural grass inside a dome up north isn’t addressed.

if you want to ban domes then there ya go but we are talking real grass fully indoors and it’s not possible. Except via hypothesis.

(this post paid for by NFL owners super pac.)

[notacon]

Soccer is not football as far as wear and tear on the grass surface. Every article mentions the difference in abuse an NFL game puts on a grass surface. Grow lights aid in growth but do not replace natural sunlight which would be required in Ford Field.

stop pasting 3 inches when the obstacle of natural grass inside a dome up north isn’t addressed.

if you want to ban domes then there ya go but we are talking real grass fully indoors and it’s not possible. Except via hypothesis.

(this post paid for by NFL owners super pac.)

As I have already knocked down these lame arguments, they are not getting any better with age and repetition.

[notacon]

So what you’re saying is that you don’t really care about this issue because grass or no grass won’t impact what you do regarding the league.

Huh?!?!?

Are you seriously trying to cite what I do regarding the league?!?!?!?

As you suggest that I should stop watching NFL football because not all the games are played on grass?!?!?!?

What a specious and lame argument that is as nonsensical as it is stupid.

[notacon]

If you're worried about safety, you shouldn't watch the game at all like DB suggested. Or advocate for it to become flag football. It's a violent game and injuries happen. How far do you want to take this?

Ditto with the 'specious and lame argument that is as nonsensical as it is stupid'.

Are you SO disrespectful of the players heath, well being and preference that you are rejecting the idea that the NFL require (sometime in the future, quite possibly it becomes a salient issue in 2020 CBS negotiations) grass fields?!?!?

REALLY!?!?!?

Maybe if you are NOT concerned about "safety" you will support getting rid of helmets and most of the rules that have been put in place to protect players heath.

You (and DB) can take your ludicrous suggestion that "you shouldn't watch the game at all" and shove it where even bight LED lights cannot reach.

[DraftBoy]

Huh?!?!?

Are you seriously trying to cite what I do regarding the league?!?!?!?

As you suggest that I should stop watching NFL football because not all the games are played on grass?!?!?!?

What a specious and lame argument that is as nonsensical as it is stupid.

No, I don’t care what you do. But for all your theatrics and trying to demean others for their thoughts or opinions you’ve clearly demonstrated that it’s just over dramatization over an issue that you and others don’t really care about.

If it meant anything to you or others then we’d see action from the fans. Since that’s never going to happen because they don’t really care, the field situation is going to remain the same until the next CBA negotiations.

It’s just what it is. The entire debate is basically pointless.

[jamze132]

Notty being his grumpy self, ****ting all over EVERYONE else’s opinions. I’ve been saying it for years folks…if you don’t share notty’s opinion on something, he’ll insult you and dictate how you’re supposed to feel.

[Bill Cody]

Because fans allow it to happen. If you truly want to find a party at fault then put that blame on the fans that couldn’t give any **** what surface the players are forced to play on and happily subsidize the building of domes through tax breaks and direct payments for new stadium construction.

For as passionate an argument as you want to make you’re not stopping your viewing, buying of merch, or attending games over this issue. Which is why nothing changes, same with the refs, and the other litany of items that fans love to complain about, but aren’t willing to do anything about.

lol

No that's not why. How would the NFL even know if Noty and some other like minded fans were upset about this issue? Is he supposed to picket? Just nonsense.

The ones directly impacted by the surface of the fields is the players not the fans. And they have made their views as clear as day. The owners have chosen profits over player safety, it's undeniable, ridiculous and short sighted.

[DraftBoy]

lol

No that's not why. How would the NFL even know if Noty and some other like minded fans were upset about this issue? Is he supposed to picket? Just nonsense.

The ones directly impacted by the surface of the fields is the players not the fans. And they have made their views as clear as day. The owners have chosen profits over player safety, it's undeniable, ridiculous and short sighted.

I agree it’s nonsense. It would require fans to actually do something and be held accountable, which they have no desire or intention to do. It’s an unfortunate reality, but it’s not going to change any time soon.

[Bill Cody]

I agree it’s nonsense. It would require fans to actually do something and be held accountable, which they have no desire or intention to do. It’s an unfortunate reality, but it’s not going to change any time soon.

It isn't on the fans to do something. That's the nonsense part. Your idea is just silly. The players will need to demand this in this next CBA.

[sukie]

As I have already knocked down these lame arguments, they are not getting any better with age and repetition.

But you haven’t shown an indoor only stadium using grow lights alone to grow natural turf. You showed me open air soccer

soccer is not football. The only abuse the turf gets is the theatrical shin grabbing pain writhe

[DraftBoy]

It isn't on the fans to do something. That's the nonsense part. Your idea is just silly. The players will need to demand this in this next CBA.

The fans are the entire market, if they wanted something or truly cared about it they could do something. They don’t and they won’t so the point is moot.

If the players want it enough then they will get it in the next CBA, just going to have to give on something. Just basic negotiations.

[notacon]

Notty being his grumpy self, ****ting all over EVERYONE else’s opinions. I’ve been saying it for years folks…if you don’t share notty’s opinion on something, he’ll insult you and dictate how you’re supposed to feel.

Just stop it. Your posts drip of whiny crying.

Funny (actually, not funny, but expected from you because you are very poor at debating or discussing arguments)...you are doing EXACTLY of what you falsely accuse me of doing.

If one does not "share my opinion" I state why, back up up with facts and evidence that rebut the opposing opinion, supported by credible sources.

Jesus. THAT'S WHAT IS DONE ON FORUMS.....at least by intelligent people that know how to debate an issue. You obviously don't.

It is VERY TELLING that the ONLY post you choose to **** out here, is NOT about the subject at hand, nor do you have ANYTHING of value to contribute toward discussing the subject of the thread...no....you come here to INSULT me and whine like a baby....dictating how EVERYONE should argue their opinion.


YOU are the "being your grumpy self".