92% of NFL players want grass fields

[sukie]

Re: 92% of NFL players want grass fields

Yes, you are.

You failed to comprehend the rest of my post.

oh, I see with your response to Goob… you won’t address the 100% indoor lack of grass anywhere in the planet that would take an NFL pounding.

[notacon]

Re: 92% of NFL players want grass fields

You failed to comprehend the rest of my post.

oh, I see with your response to Goob… you won’t address the 100% indoor lack of grass anywhere in the planet that would take an NFL pounding.

Oh I comprehend all of your post. Unlike you, I read them in full.

It's undeniably clear....you are taking the side of GREEDY NFL owners and, basically, ****TING ALL OVER the players, their well being, health and preferences for their work environment?!?!?!

It's insanely INEXPLICABLE!!!!

[sukie]

Re: 92% of NFL players want grass fields

Okay if I admit that I sleep with fat sweaty NFL owners and do hourly reach around handies… will you address the rest of my posts?

where is turf used fully indoors utilizing grow lights to produce a NFL durable playing surface. Anywhere in the world?

[Woodman]

Re: 92% of NFL players want grass fields

Okay if I admit that I sleep with fat sweaty NFL owners and do hourly reach around handies… will you address the rest of my posts?

where is turf used fully indoors utilizing grow lights to produce a NFL durable playing surface. Anywhere in the world?

Uruguay?

[notacon]

Re: 92% of NFL players want grass fields

Okay if I admit that I sleep with fat sweaty NFL owners and do hourly reach around handies… will you address the rest of my posts?

where is turf used fully indoors utilizing grow lights to produce a NFL durable playing surface. Anywhere in the world?

I already did "address the rest of (your) posts". Pay attention and, you know, actually READ them.

[notacon]

Re: 92% of NFL players want grass fields

Uruguay?

As I noted above...."as far as I can tell there are NO domed stadiums in use outside the US for major professional soccer or rugby. If you can find one, let us know"

The question is a canard and irreverent.

The more salient question is WHY is the US the ONLY country that has major professional sports played inside a ****ing dome.

And WHY does the NFL NOT adopt the standards that most other major sports leagues around the world have adopted that their sport (mainly soccer and rugby) be played ON GRASS!!!!

That is why several US domed stadiums (and those without a dome) that have turf MUST change to grass in order to hold the 2026 FIFA World Cup matches.

[Goobylal]

Re: 92% of NFL players want grass fields

What lame arguments.

NFL teams are wildly profitable. The cost baloney is really dumb. The "waste of resources" canard is even dumber.

One can apply the "All for 3 hours on a Sunday eight to ten days a year" premise to everything surrounding NFL football. Especially BILLION DOLLAR PLUS stadiums. NFL football could be played on a studio stage (preferably outside on grass) since TV and broadcasting is where most of the money comes from.

We already saw that a NFL season can be extremely successful with almost NO CROWDS. Stadiums, in and of themselves are "huge waste of resources".

So, you are virtually admitting to taking the side of GREEDY NFL owners and, basically, ****TING ALL OVER the players, their well being, health and preferences for their work environment?!?!?!

I root for the laundry. Players come and go after several years but owners/teams typically remain for decades.

And a lot of workers don't get to choose every aspect of their work environment to make it 100% of their liking. If an NFL player feels so strongly about the playing surface, he can ask for a trade, or if he's a FA, cross off teams with artificial turf.

[sukie]

Re: 92% of NFL players want grass fields

As I noted above...."as far as I can tell there are NO domed stadiums in use outside the US for major professional soccer or rugby. If you can find one, let us know"

The question is a canard and irreverent.

The more salient question is WHY is the US the ONLY country that has major professional sports played inside a ****ing dome.

And WHY does the NFL NOT adopt the standards that most other major sports leagues around the world have adopted that their sport (mainly soccer and rugby) be played ON GRASS!!!!

That is why several US domed stadiums (and those without a dome) that have turf MUST change to grass in order to hold the 2026 FIFA World Cup matches.

Coming from someone that stated that the Bills should have a dome in Orchard Park or open air downtown… a dome advocate should be able to answer the salient question

[DraftBoy]

Re: 92% of NFL players want grass fields

As I noted above...."as far as I can tell there are NO domed stadiums in use outside the US for major professional soccer or rugby. If you can find one, let us know"

The question is a canard and irreverent.

The more salient question is WHY is the US the ONLY country that has major professional sports played inside a ****ing dome.

And WHY does the NFL NOT adopt the standards that most other major sports leagues around the world have adopted that their sport (mainly soccer and rugby) be played ON GRASS!!!!

That is why several US domed stadiums (and those without a dome) that have turf MUST change to grass in order to hold the 2026 FIFA World Cup matches.

Because fans allow it to happen. If you truly want to find a party at fault then put that blame on the fans that couldn’t give any **** what surface the players are forced to play on and happily subsidize the building of domes through tax breaks and direct payments for new stadium construction.

For as passionate an argument as you want to make you’re not stopping your viewing, buying of merch, or attending games over this issue. Which is why nothing changes, same with the refs, and the other litany of items that fans love to complain about, but aren’t willing to do anything about.

[notacon]

Re: 92% of NFL players want grass fields

Coming from someone that stated that the Bills should have a dome in Orchard Park or open air downtown… a dome advocate should be able to answer the salient question

My #1 preference BY FAR was an open air stadium in (or actually near) downtown.

I'm not sure what I ever said about a "dome in OP". If you have a actual quote of what exactly I said, with full context, than dish it up. The effort (from you) to make my stated preferences for an "open air downtown" on EQUAL FOOTING as a "dome in Orchard Park" is specious at best, downright dishonest in reality.

In any event, if the Bills built a domed stadium I would be in the forefront to insist they have a grass field. Which would probably be easier to maintain grass field indoors than in the worst location possible in WNY, in the middle of the snowbelt.

Your lame attempt at trying to frame my position (preference of new stadium location and type) as in conflict is dumb since I already know that maintaining a grass field is extremely viable and possible inside a dome.

I have already answered "the salient question". What are you whining about????

You are flailing sukie.

[notacon]

Re: 92% of NFL players want grass fields

I root for the laundry. Players come and go after several years but owners/teams typically remain for decades.

And a lot of workers don't get to choose every aspect of their work environment to make it 100% of their liking. If an NFL player feels so strongly about the playing surface, he can ask for a trade, or if he's a FA, cross off teams with artificial turf.

So, you are not only admitting to, bit are proud to be taking the side of GREEDY NFL owners and, basically, ****TING ALL OVER the players, their well being, health and preferences for their work environment?!?!?!

Wow!

[notacon]

Re: 92% of NFL players want grass fields

Because fans allow it to happen. If you truly want to find a party at fault then put that blame on the fans that couldn’t give any **** what surface the players are forced to play on and happily subsidize the building of domes through tax breaks and direct payments for new stadium construction.

For as passionate an argument as you want to make you’re not stopping your viewing, buying of merch, or attending games over this issue. Which is why nothing changes, same with the refs, and the other litany of items that fans love to complain about, but aren’t willing to do anything about.

This argument is such a stretch. Really??? You want to blame the FANS?!?!?! Oy vey!!!

[sukie]

Re: 92% of NFL players want grass fields

Not hunting for it again. You stated that you preferred a stadium downtown and if they couldn’t afford a downtown stadium open air then at least put a dome in the snow belt middle of no where location.

[Goobylal]

Re: 92% of NFL players want grass fields

So, you are not only admitting to, bit are proud to be taking the side of GREEDY NFL owners and, basically, ****TING ALL OVER the players, their well being, health and preferences for their work environment?!?!?!

Wow!

Again, if they really feel that strongly about it, they have options. Like not playing at all.

[notacon]

Re: 92% of NFL players want grass fields

Not hunting for it again. You stated that you preferred a stadium downtown and if they couldn’t afford a downtown stadium open air then at least put a dome in the snow belt middle of no where location.

That is irreverent to the subject of what kind of field NFL should play on. IF I wrote "...if they couldn’t afford a downtown stadium open air then at least put a dome in the snow belt" that has NOTHING to do with a grass field.

In FACT, in June last year a confused poster (rather stupidly) criticized the heating a grass field after it was announced that the Bills would install one in the new stadium, with this silly misnomer of ignorance...

Heated grass = warm mud, is anyone still playing in their yard come December ?

I responded with the same reasoning (and rock solid premise) that "Non-grass stadiums should be banned in the NFL. Even for domes". Here is my post from then....

Yep. The Packers play on one of the most advanced “grass” fields in the NFL.....”GrassMaster”. Besides heating it, GrassMaster “reinforces a natural grass pitch by vertically inserting 20 million polypropylene (PP) fibres into the soil equally spread over the entire playing field.”


It is widely used around the world for soccer stadiums (the list is extensive...see the link above) as most soccer league require grass fields.

Philadelphia is the other stadium that uses the same technology. Here is a list of the various field types for each NFL stadium....

• Arizona Cardinals, State Farm Stadium, Bermuda grass
• Atlanta Falcons, Mercedes-Benz Stadium, FieldTurf Revolution
• Baltimore Ravens, M&T Bank Stadium, Bermuda grass
• Buffalo Bills, Highmark Stadium, A-Turf Titan 50
• Carolina Panthers, Bank of America Stadium, FieldTurf
• Chicago Bears, Soldier Field, Kentucky bluegrass
• Cincinnati Bengals, Paul Brown Stadium, UBU Speed Series S5-M Synthetic Turf
• Cleveland Browns, FirstEnergy Stadium, Kentucky bluegrass
• Dallas Cowboys, AT&T Stadium, Hellas Matrix Turf
• Denver Broncos, Empower Field at Mile High, Kentucky bluegrass
• Detroit Lions, Ford Field, FieldTurf Classic HD
• Green Bay Packers, Lambeau Field, Desso GrassMaster
• Houston Texans, NRG Stadium, Hellas Matrix Turf
• Indianapolis Colts, Lucas Oil Stadium, Shaw Sports Momentum Pro
• Jacksonville Jaguars, TIAA Bank Field, Bermuda grass
• Kansas City Chiefs, Arrowhead Stadium, Bermuda grass
• Las Vegas Raiders, Allegiant Stadium, Bermuda grass
• Los Angeles Rams, Los Angeles Chargers, SoFi Stadium, Hellas Matrix Turf
• Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Raymond James Stadium, Bermuda grass
• Tennessee Titans, Nissan Stadium, Bermuda grass
• Washington Football Team, FedExField, Bermuda grass
• New Orleans Saints, Caesars Superdome, FieldTurf Revolution 360
• New York Giants, New York Jets, MetLife Stadium, UBU Sports Speed Series S5-M Synthetic Turf
• Philadelphia Eagles, Lincoln Financial Field, Desso GrassMaster
• Pittsburgh Steelers, Heinz Field, Kentucky bluegrass
• San Francisco 49ers, Levi’s Stadium, Bermuda grass, Perennial Ryegrass mixture
• Seattle Seahawks, Lumen Field, FieldTurf Revolution 360

Non-grass stadiums should be banned in the NFL. Even for domes. All grass needs to grow is water and light. With today’s LED technology it is relatively easy (but not necessary cheap) to provide artificial “sunlight”.

The last 16 years of my career was with a photo/video lighting manufacturer, and LED technology has come a long way in that time. A different division of the company developed, manufactured and sold a portable lighting system that could grow marijuana.

Large indoor marijuana fields are lit by LEDS.





LEDS are already being used in soccer stadiums to aid in grass growth year round. This is used to maintain “pitch” quality during the winter in cold climate locations.




Domes are not commonly used for soccer but it is not a stretch to believe that LED technology can, in fact, grow and maintain grass in a domed stadium

With the vast wealth of the NFL they could relatively easily require grass fields in the name of player safety.

So, if you are lamely trying to illustrate inconsistencies in my opinion, you are WRONG, WRONG WRONG!!!