DIFFERENCE IN THE BILL'S AND CHEIFS .....very simple..

[jamze132]

Yes, Josh Allen did not have a "playoff caliber" team around him his rookie year. He did every other year of his career, and especially starting 2020 when the traded for Diggs.

A lot of people around the league were saying the Chiefs were a diminished team when Treek Hill left. Baloney. They have now won two SB's without him, and today have a sad sack group of below average WR's around him. BTW, Kelce was on the team for FIVE YEARS when Smith was QB....not even close to a SB.


No Mahomes...no SB. Mahomes...multiple SB's.

In any event, I presented FACTS about Reid and Mahomes.

The same facts exist for multiple Super Bowl winning coaches. They almost all (Joe Gibbs is the anomaly) won when they had elite QB's, and did not win then they did not have one.

There are only 14 NFL head coaches that have one more than one SB....

	Years HC	# of Teams	# SB Wins	QB
Bill Belichick	24	2	6	All with Tom Brady
Chuck Noll	23	1	4	All with Terry Bradshw
Bill Walsh	10	1	3	All with Joe Montana
Joe Gibbs	16	1	3	Joe Theisman	Doug Williams	Mark Rypien
Andy Reid	26	2	3	All with Patrick Mahomes
Vince Lombardi	9	2	2	Both with Bart Starr
Tom Flores	12	2	2	Both with Jim Plunkett
Jimmy Johnson	9	2	2	Both with Troy Aikman
George Seifert	14	2	2	Joe Montana	Steve Young
Mike Shanahan	20	3	2	Both with John Elway
Tom Coughlin	21	2	2	Both with Eli Manning
Bill Parcells	19	4	2	Phil Simms	Phil Simms/Jeff Hostetler*
Don Shula	33	2	2	Both with Bob Griese
Tom Landry	29	1	2	Both with Roger Staubach

*Phil Simms was the QB that got the 1990 NY Giants to the Super Bowl. He was injured in week #15.

NO NFL HC has ever won a Super Bowl with two different teams.

TWO QB's HAVE. Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. Two other QB's started a Super Bowls for two different teams...Kurt Warner (won one) and Craig Morton (did not win any as starter).

The anomaly of a HC winning SB's with multiple QB's (two of which were not elite and journeymen) is Joe Gibbs. Notably, those SB wins were before the salary cap era and especially the myriad of rules changes to protect the QB, and exponentially increase the importance of the passing game.

Great QB"s MAKE great coaches.

The most stunning example of that is Bill Belichick. No Brady, not even close to a SB. Brady goes to another team, and he makes long time coach Bruce Arians (FORTY SIX YEARS in coaching at all levels including NINE different NFL franchises for 28 years, including eight years as HC for two different NFL teams) look like a great HC by winning a Super Bowl...the only SB title he ever got.

No Brady....NO SB for Belichick
No Brady...NO SB for Arians.
No Patrick Mahomes....NO SB for Reid.

I am not saying that a good head coach is not necessary to win a SB. But if I were to dole out the degree of importance, my opinion for SB success is 75% QB...25% coach.

Josh Allen has at least 10 more years to prove that he is one of those QB's and I predict he WILL win multiple Super Bowls with the Bills and McD as HC. And JOSH will be the reason why.

Smartest thing you’ve said in days…

[sukie]

Great QB or a specific QB? I believe Bill and Andy would have won with a different great QB

[Woodman]

And I'm sorry, but a big part of that is the lame AFC West, which has essentially been a one-horse pony since the merger.

I'll die on that hill, because that's a big advantage when it comes to playoff seeding and tiebreakers.

Just the facts!

I'm hopeful that the addition of Harbaugh will disrupt that situation.

[Woodman]

This is a really good point.

And it's the reason the Patriots were never in "cap hell" during their 20 year run.

Once a guy got too expensive, he was jettisoned out for draft picks....draft picks who pretty much had immediate impact.

The Patriot way!

[Woodman]

No, Allen doesn’t. He’s tremendous and capable of one day winning a Super Bowl, but he’s not at the same level as Mahomes.

I believe Josh would be insanely successful in Andy's offense.

[Woodman]

Anyone crapping on Josh Allen is a complete fool. He is plenty good enough to win multiple Super Bowls but it’s a TEAM game. He’s not out kicking FGs or covering TEs.

I stand behind this…if we had Milano or Bernard playing instead of Klein, we’d have beat KC and they wouldn’t look like the team they appear to be. Any one of four teams were good enough to win the SB this year. It takes a bit of luck sometimes too. One thing KC does have a distinct advantage though is their coaching. They don’t make stupid decisions.

Excellent post!

[Woodman]

Reid/Spags having Mahomes, Kelce and Jones.

Having Sneed, Jones and McDuffie they are the reason.

^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^

Take any two of those away we put 40+on the board.

We had neither starting CB and more and still fell by 3.

[Novacane]

Reid> McDermott. By a lot! That's the difference.

[sahlensguy]

Reid> McDermott. By a lot! That's the difference.

That's part of it. Mahomes is more poised than Josh in big moments though. Is Reid/McD the difference makes in that or are the 2 QBs just wired differently to begin with. We'll never really know.

[Novacane]

That's part of it. Mahomes is more poised than Josh in big moments though. Is Reid/McD the difference makes in that or are the 2 QBs just wired differently to begin with. We'll never really know.

True. I'd like to think Reid could have coached a lot of Josh's recklessness out of him. He's apparently fine with players pushing him and screaming in his face so maybe Josh wouldn't have listened to him either.

[sahlensguy]

True. I'd like to think Reid could have coached a lot of Josh's recklessness out of him. He's apparently fine with players pushing him and screaming in his face so maybe Josh wouldn't have listened to him either.

Josh's recklessness isn't his biggest problem. It's his lack of championship mentality, at least from a football standpoint. Mahonmes has way more fire in him. Josh plants himself on the end of the bench when he's not out there. Sums up his off the field demeanor for me. Like Reid/Kelce, Diggs can yell in his face and he just takes it.

[notacon]

Reid> McDermott. By a lot! That's the difference.

Nonsense.

Mahomes>Allen. By just enough. That's the difference.

[Novacane]

Nonsense.

Mahomes>Allen. By just enough. That's the difference.

If you don't think Reid is a better coach than Mcd than you're only the 2nd person in the world who thinks that. McD's wife is the first.

[Typ0]

The difference is our coaches do **** to lose games and don't learn while Reid minimizes those things and actually tries to help his players. McDermott doesn't really give a **** from moment to moment he has a predefined idea in his head and that is what he wants to follow through on. McDermott's persists with some very flawed ideas that undermine his success. He doesn't learn.

I also doubt McDermott teaches the players what he wants he instead dictates to them and then practices them into the zone of proximal development where he often leaves them.

He doesn't learn and make adjustments in favor of following through on the process. Basically, everyone else is doing things wrong but his systems he obviously thinks very highly of even though they keep blowing up in his face. The players always fail to do what he asks and he never perceives that as a problem with what he's asking people to do and how he is leading them to do it.

[notacon]

If you don't think Reid is a better coach than Mcd than you're only the 2nd person in the world who thinks that. McD's wife is the first.

I did not say that. Why do you feel the need to misrepresent (read: lie) about what I wrote????? Don't do that.

What I AM saying is that Reid is not THE difference....not even close.

It's Mahomes.

I have proven that without any doubt whatsoever.

[Turf]

The difference between the Bills and Chefs IS "very simple"

Patrick Mahomes.

Yeah but it's also Reid. If the Bills had Reid and the Chiefs McD you could flip the script.

[DetoxTent]

Yeah it's the coaching.

Yeah. The OP should stop for a second and think about what Andy Reid could accomplish with the Bills roster. Super Bowl. We had a chance to get Reid. The Bills were shopping for a coach when Reid signed with KC. It was, sadly, never even considered. In 2013 Reid went to KC while the Bills signed Doug Marrone.

[DetoxTent]

That's part of it. Mahomes is more poised than Josh in big moments though. Is Reid/McD the difference makes in that or are the 2 QBs just wired differently to begin with. We'll never really know.

Much of why that is is because Reid has made Mahomes more composed than Allen. It's not just "wiring."

[sahlensguy]

Much of why that is is because Reid has made Mahomes more composed than Allen. It's not just "wiring."

We'll never know. Mahomes backed up Alex Smith his rookie year. They said it was a huge factor for his success, being drafted in the "right" situation. Allen was in as good of a spot. Who knows how much that contributed to the poise each one plays with in big moments today. It was a harsh quote at Allen's golf outing with Tiger that his signature move was to throw up before games.

[Mad Max]

We'll never know. Mahomes backed up Alex Smith his rookie year. They said it was a huge factor for his success, being drafted in the "right" situation. Allen was in as good of a spot. Who knows how much that contributed to the poise each one plays with in big moments today. It was a harsh quote at Allen's golf outing with Tiger that his signature move was to throw up before games.

Just like Josh was able to become accurate at throwing the ball when he really never was before coming to the NFL (a statistical near impossibility) we’re going to have to hope he can develop poise.

Poise is something you usually have or don’t. So Josh is gonna have to perform a second miracle.