DIFFERENCE IN THE BILL'S AND CHEIFS .....very simple..

[notacon]

Here is another mind boggling fact that illustrates THE difference is Patrick Mahomes from Go Long's Mailbag Column....

This stat from fellow Substacker Neil Paine boggles the brain and helps put Mahomes’ current greatness into proper perspective.

Paine writes:

“Since 2001, there have been 125 drives in the NFL postseason where it was at least the fourth quarter, there was under a minute left to play, and the team on offense trailed by seven points or fewer at the start. These are your standard clutch moments for a football team, the do-or-die drives that win and lose critical games.

“Out of those 125 drives, only 40 percent of them saw the team on offense pull off the magic trick and get the points they needed. Some quarterbacks are pretty good at it, such as Tom Brady, who went 5-for-11 (46%), or Drew Brees, who went 3-for-6 (50%). Only Patrick Mahomes, though, 7-for-7, or perfect, in those dire situations.”

[notacon]

It's mostly coaching. Mahomes is a great QB but switch him and Josh and Josh is hoisting his 3rd Lombardi.

I TOTALLY disagree.

I see it the other way.

Switch him and Josh and Mahomes is STILL hoisting his 3rd Lombardi, but for the Buffalo Bills instead.

[sahlensguy]

Here is another mind boggling fact that illustrates THE difference is Patrick Mahomes from Go Long's Mailbag Column....

JA has yet to have a 4th qtr comeback or game winning drive in the playoffs.

[Mad Max]

JA has yet to have a 4th qtr comeback or game winning drive in the playoffs.

To be fair, Mahomes has Butker and Brady had Vinatieri…two of the clutchest kickers in NFL history. We have a decidedly anti-clutch keeker.

[sahlensguy]

To be fair, Mahomes has Butker and Brady had Vinatieri…two of the clutchest kickers in NFL history. We have a decidedly anti-clutch keeker.

Add in 0-5 in overtime games. The problem goes way beyond a kicker.

[Mace]

And I'm sorry, but a big part of that is the lame AFC West, which has essentially been a one-horse pony since the merger.

I'll die on that hill, because that's a big advantage when it comes to playoff seeding and tiebreakers.

Well don't die on that hill...Andrew Luck"s entire perception of success was 24-7 in a weak division. He was 53-33 career...so outside the division he was 29-26 and made it to one conference championship.

Mahomes is 30-5 division....74-22 total....outside the division 44-17.

Allen is 23-11 division...63-21 total....outside 40-20.

Two of those guys have one conference championship appearance...one has multiple super bowl titles.

If Harbaugh is successful in San Diego.....we just have another evolving brick wall in front of us to add to the chiefs,Bengals,and ravens with others coming up behind while we're still working on a passing game and crowing about our running game,trying to replace our defense,, on the 8th year of our process to hopefully sniff another conference championship appearance.

Dunno....this is not looking good to me.

[Oaf]

Josh Allen is plenty good enough to beat KC - we've seen it three regular seasons in a row. KC was the better team in BUF last month, so they won. They'll continue to do so unless we make gains via drafting and coaching, which is fairly unlikely. Assuming we don't, we'll just have to hope for a close game that we pull out at the end. Happens all the time, including our KC reg season games.

[Goobylal]

I TOTALLY disagree.

I see it the other way.

Switch him and Josh and Mahomes is STILL hoisting his 3rd Lombardi, but for the Buffalo Bills instead.

No one would take any of the Bills' OC's during Josh's time over Reid or McD over Spagnuolo.

[notacon]

No one would take any of the Bills' OC's during Josh's time over Reid or McD over Spagnuolo.

Bullcrap.

Reid could not win a SB with McNabb, or Alex Smith....both stints with stellar rosters. 21 years of HC and no SB wins UNTIL Mahomes came along.

[notacon]

Josh Allen is plenty good enough to beat KC - we've seen it three regular seasons in a row. KC was the better team in BUF last month, so they won. They'll continue to do so unless we make gains via drafting and coaching, which is fairly unlikely. Assuming we don't, we'll just have to hope for a close game that we pull out at the end. Happens all the time, including our KC reg season games.

NOPE!!!!

Buffalo was the better team than KC "last month", but Mahomes was the better QB in the clutch than Josh. It's been that way since both QB's came into the league.


That does not mean that Josh will not rise to the occasion in the future.

[Goobylal]

Bullcrap.

Reid could not win a SB with McNabb, or Alex Smith....both stints with stellar rosters. 21 years of HC and no SB wins UNTIL Mahomes came along.

Josh is better than McNabb and Smith and just as good as Mahomes. A QB on his own doesn't win SBs and no one would take the Bills' OCs and McD over Reid and Spags.

[Typ0]

The Chiefs have done a better job of managing their roster and they have better coaching. Maybe it simply is because McDermott is early career and Reid is on the cusp of entering the relic stage ... but that presence is so strong it works better with a young whipper snapper than what McDermott brings to Allen.

The Chiefs are in a position to grow right now as well....while we are gonna have to weather some storms at least this year. The Tyreek Hill trade really hurt us KC is so much better for doing that.

[ghz in pittsburgh]

Chiefs had a better team against the Bills period. They are not that far apart to the point where there can be stretch of times the Bills played better than them. I will even contest the notion Mahomes really played better than Allen, this season, or the playoff game. I'm talking about overall performance of the game. You can single out plays Allen didn't make like the end of the game. But I can counter there are plays Mahomes didn't make earlier in the game that could make the game not reachable by the end.

The Chiefs have Kelce, Jones, Sneed, McDuffie other than the QB playing at all-pro level, at times HoF taking-over-the-game level. Who the Bills got besides Allen? I remember Cook had the Dallas game on that level, but nothing else. Jones was reportedly playing on one leg in the Bills playoff game and he still made impact. Von didn't do squat.

[ghz in pittsburgh]

The thing is, all of the KC guys I listed above, included departed Hill, are drafted by them, and only McDuffie was a 1st round pick - a late 1st pick at that. Everyone else is 2nd round or later. Where do the Bills stack up here? The closest ones to that caliber are resource intensive acquisition in terms of picks (Diggs) and cap (Von).

[notacon]

Josh is better than McNabb and Smith and just as good as Mahomes. A QB on his own doesn't win SBs and no one would take the Bills' OCs and McD over Reid and Spags.

Nope.

Josh is NOT "just as good as Mahomes". What lame homerism.

Does not mean that Josh cannot get better and reduce the gap between him and Mahomes. Once he learns to make better decisions at the most crucial moments in the playoffs, he will win some SB's.

Josh is "just as good" as Joe Burrow....but neither of them is on the level of Mahomes.

Even then, at the end of each of their careers, there is NO DOUBT that Patrick Mahomes will be widely considered (like he is accurately today considered the head and shoulders best QB in the NFL) the better QB. Just like Tom Brady is considered the better QB than Peyon Manning.

[Goobylal]

Nope.

Josh is NOT "just as good as Mahomes". What lame homerism.

Does not mean that Josh cannot get better and reduce the gap between him and Mahomes. Once he learns to make better decisions at the most crucial moments in the playoffs, he will win some SB's.

Josh is "just as good" as Joe Burrow....but neither of them is on the level of Mahomes.

Even then, at the end of each of their careers, there is NO DOUBT that Patrick Mahomes will be widely considered (like he is accurately today considered the head and shoulders best QB in the NFL) the better QB. Just like Tom Brady is considered the better QB than Peyon Manning.

Yeah he is. Again what Mahomes has is better coaching. No one would dispute this.

Now if the Bills were getting blown out by the Chefs instead of barely losing to them, you'd have a point. But they aren't so you don't.

[sahlensguy]

Yeah he is. Again what Mahomes has is better coaching. No one would dispute this.

Now if the Bills were getting blown out by the Chefs instead of barely losing to them, you'd have a point. But they aren't so you don't.

McD's ball control game plan worked great against the Chiefs...until the final 2 minutes.

What would the KC coaches' game plan have been for the Bills that would have yielded a better outcome?

[Woodman]

The thing is, all of the KC guys I listed above, included departed Hill, are drafted by them, and only McDuffie was a 1st round pick - a late 1st pick at that. Everyone else is 2nd round or later. Where do the Bills stack up here? The closest ones to that caliber are resource intensive acquisition in terms of picks (Diggs) and cap (Von).

Picked 21st overall.

We took Elam 23rd overall.

[Gibby 2.0]

We'll see.

Did you know that Allen doesn't have a single 4th quarter comeback or game winning drive in the post season? Or that Josh has yet to win a single game in OT?

McD/Allen has a longer way to go before hoisting than it appears on paper, imo.

13 seconds was on Josh? How?

[Woodman]

Picked 21st overall.

We took Elam 23rd overall.

The New England Patriots received pick Nos. 29 (first round), 94 (third), 121 (fourth) in exchange for the 21st pick.

With the 29th overall pick, the Pats selected Chattanooga guard Cole Strange.