All I wanted to know was what you thought that those coaches would do differently in the 13 seconds and the 58 minute games that would have yielded different results. If they are so much better, the answer should be easy.Originally Posted by Goobylal
Baloney.
The "slight" I was speaking to was the difference between QB's, Allen and Mahomes. With Mahomes CLEARLY (slightly) better at the most crucial times in playoff games....in particular comparing the Bills loss to KC this year and KC's win in OT at the SB.
"Reid has 20 years of HC'ing on McD." and Reid NOT winning a SB (after being a HC for 21 years UNTIL he had Mahomes) is the point.
All the other observations you have made IGNORE the FACT That the Bills have beaten KC THREE TIMES IN A ROW, in KC, during the regular season.
The Bills were in PRIME POSITION to BEAT KC in the playoffs, until Josh crumbled in the last two minutes making bad decisions that Mahomes hardly ever makes (when he does, like the AFCC game vs Cincy, KC loses)...and DID NOT make in the last drive of the SB.
The fact that the Bills "were a missed easy FG away from tying the game against the Chefs, despite having a MASH unit on defense much of the game." proves that Reid was NOT the difference.
Josh makes better decision in the last two minutes, it would be very likely the Bills would have the Lombardi instead of KC.
THAT'S THE POINT!!!!
I'm not an X's and O's guy. Someone else could probably tell you specifically what they would have done differently. Again what I do know, and what everyone else would agree with, is they have better coaches.
Yeah and Josh's receivers, RB's, TE's and OL were flawless in the game, right? Please.
Even you could have thrown that game-winning TD pass in the SB, Hardman was that wide open.
And yeah, Reid never won a SB before because he didn't have a QB as good as Mahomes. Or Allen.
Who said that "Josh's receivers, RB's, TE's and OL were flawless in the game"?!?!?! NO ONE!!!!!!
Even you could have thrown that 2nd down pass with 2 min left in the game to Diggs who was that wide open. Which would have been SMART GAME MANAGEMENT as it would have probably resulted in a first down (or set up 3rd and very short)....and KC would have to burn timeouts. Making the winning TD that much easier...leaving hardly any time on the clock (or at the very least, gaining extra yards that would have made the tying FG much easier).
There would have been (with a go ahead TD) little chance of the 13 second situation, because KC would have NO time outs, and 75 yards to score a TD....not having to gain about 35 yards for a FG.
It's irrelevant what happened the previous 58 minutes. Josh had the ball, with 2 min left, on KC's TWENTY SIX YARD LINE, with two time outs. Instead of rising to the occasion, like we have seen the greats do time after time after time....two dumb passes (stopping the clock) ZERO yards gained......and even if Bass made the tying FG, KC would have had the ball with 1:43 left, two time outs, and the need to gain only about 35 yards for the wining FG.
Who in the their right mind doubts that Mahomes would have done that with relative ease.
Josh screwed the pooch. You want to keep your Josh homerism glasses on, that's your business. I'm not buying it. Neither is Kurt Warner (scroll to "Requiem for the Bills).
Back to KC's SB winning drive. It's not about Hardman being wide open for the winning TD it's about Mahomes performance in the last drive as I already detailed above....
Mahomes went 8-8 and was flawless for the winning drive.....Josh Allen not even close to flawless in the last drive vs KC.
Mahomes - 8/8 42 yards
Mahomes - 2 runs for 27 yards
Pacheco - 3 runs for 6 yards
Last drive for Bills VS KC
Allen - 6/11 for 42 yards
Allen - 2 runs for 10 yards - 1 fumble (recovered by Buffalo)
Cook - 2 runs - 1 yard
Every throw on that drive was to a guy who was wide open because of the scheme/play-calling. What are you not getting here?
Again this was Reid against McD and Brady versus Spagnuolo, which was already a huge advantages for the Chefs in terms of HC'ing and coordinating talent and experience alone. Then you add-in the Bills' defense being depleted in the back 7 against a passing team and you get what happened. And that's why McD is on a short leash going forward since we can't waste Josh's best years.
Keep on ignoring the elephant in the room if it makes you feel better. What are YOU "not getting here"????
Diggs was WIDE OPEN on the 2nd and 9 play from KC's 26 yard line which was the EASY LAY UP, that would have put KC in the worst position....forcing them to use their time outs...and the Bills in a PERFECT situation to run down the clock and either score the winning TD, with hardly any time left, or in a position to kick an easy tying FG with hardly any time left on the clock.
SITUATIONAL FOOTBALL...that Josh, in his sixth year should have down pat by now. He doesn't.
It is OBVIOUS to anyone without Josh homerism glasses that Josh simply did not rise to the occasion after the 2 min mark of the KC game, and Mahomes almost always does.
Josh Allen had the game within grasp....and ****ed it up. Again, what are YOU not getting here?????
sahlensguy (02-26-2024)
Diggs was wide open...for a TD? WRONG!
Josh made the right read on that play but misfired because Dawkins got pushed-into him by Chris Jones.
The Bills should have been looking to milk clock at that point. Who is that on?
And as you showed, Cook had 2 runs for 1 yard. Is that on Josh?
How about Bass missing an easy FG to tie the game? That on Josh as well?
What about earlier in the drive when Josh rushed and stood still because his forward progress was stopped but the Chefs pushed him back and Pennel landed on top of him, which should have been RTP?
Again no one would take the Bills' coaches over the Chefs'. No one. And it shouldn't come down to one play where, again, mistakes were made by several people.
Jesus. Now you are just pissing me off.
NO ONE SAID that "Diggs was wide open for a TD". NO ONE!!!!!
DO I REALLY have to repeat myself AGAIN?!?!?!?
No, Josh did NOT make "the right read", he made a TERRIBLE DECISION!!!!!! JOSH MAKES THE DECISION ON WHERE TO THROW THE BALL. PERIOD!!!!! It's ON HIM!!!!!
The SMART PLAY was to throw to a WIDE OPEN DIGGS for either the first down, OR, setting up for 3rd down and short. Which would FORCE KC TO USE THEIR TIME OUTS!!!!!
Even if Josh makes that TD pass...SO WHAT?!?!?!
The Chiefs would have gotten the ball after a kickoff on their 25 yard line with (about ) 1:55 left with TWO TIME OUTS.
It would be almost inevitable that Mahomes would lead them for the winning TD....leaving no time on the clock.
Keep your Josh homerism glasses on if you like. It's dumb.
Oh no, you're pissed off. Who TF are you and who TF cares?
Josh made the right read. Don't listen to Romo who talks out of his ass and couldn't win a playoff game to save his career. If Diggs had been wide open for a TD, you'd have a point, but you don't.
The Bills came into the game under-manned and the Chefs came in 100% healthy. And still the Bills should have tied it at the end if not for Bass missing an easy FG. And that's ignoring how Reid and Spags out-coached Brady and McD for most of the game.
Go take your Mahomes fantasies elsewhere as Reid could easily win SBs with Josh. To say otherwise is what's dumb.
You'll never get anywhere with those who think Josh made the wrong read.
Yup. What they're actually saying is that Josh can't win a SB even with the best coaches in the league and a healthy team, neither of which he has (in the playoffs, that is).
Well when you are committed 100% that Josh made the right read, I don't think you're the best one to put words in the mouths of your detractors.
I don't care what my detractors think.
How are they going to care what you think?
Baloney.
I'm "pissed off" because you are LYING about what I wrote....TWICE!!!! Don't do that!!!
First, I (nor anyone else) even suggested, much less said that "Diggs was wide open...for a TD" You pulled that lie that right out of your ass.
Plus, I never mentioned Tony Romo or one word that he said. I DID cite Kurt Warner's astute and spot on observations. Yeah, the undrafted free agent QB, who not only HAS WON playoff games, his playoff record is 9-4 with three NFC Championships (never lost a NFCC game), one Super Bowl win, one Super Bowl MVP and two NFL MVP's. Hie led the Rams to a LOMBARDI TROPHY his FIRST YEAR as starting QB in the NFL.
Yeah, Kurt Warner knows what he is talking about from first hand experience. You have no ****ing clue.
The reality if the reality, no matter if you can't take off your Josh homerism glasses to see them.
Josh made the WRONG DECISION based on the GAME SITUATION.
So your official position is that Josh can never win a SB, is that it? Or that the Chefs win SBs solely because of Mahomes? If so, you have no idea what you're talking about.
And the coach says that is lack of execution. I am saying it is lack of information and practice about what to do in game situations. It is about everyone being on the same page about what the TEAM is doing. Our guys aren't. It goes back to times where the only people left in this organization are McDermott, Beane & Pegula. It's not the players that fail to prepare themselves.
Jesus. This is the THIRD TIME you are lying about what I have written.....THIS is (some) of what I have said....NOT the bullcrap you have pulled out of your butt.
Nope.
Josh is NOT "just as good as Mahomes". What lame homerism.
Does not mean that Josh cannot get better and reduce the gap between him and Mahomes. Once he learns to make better decisions at the most crucial moments in the playoffs, he will win some SB's.
Josh is "just as good" as Joe Burrow....but neither of them is on the level of Mahomes.
Even then, at the end of each of their careers, there is NO DOUBT that Patrick Mahomes will be widely considered (like he is accurately today considered the head and shoulders best QB in the NFL) the better QB. Just like Tom Brady is considered the better QB than Peyton Manning.The reality is NOT that anyone (except Opi) that "Josh can never win a Super Bowl" (at least as Opi's sourpuss prediciton that he will never do so with the Bills) it's that Josh is almost there and in this KC game FAILED to RISE TO THE OCCASSION, like Mahomes deos over and over and over again in the msot critcal moments.
Kurt Warner (and Peter KIng) has got it SPOT ON when they say....
Allen, on this drive (last of the game for Buffalo), had flipped and thrown and side-armed completions of 7, 4, 8, 10, 6 and 7 yards. And needing a first down here, he went gunslinger. I just don’t know why. Kurt Warner, one who would know, tried to explain it a few days after the game.
“Sometimes,” Warner said, “you talk yourself into a play and say, ‘I’m gonna make this play, and this is the throw that’ll send us to the championship game,’ instead of saying, ‘I’m gonna let the defense dictate where I throw the ball.’ As a quarterback, you have to have the ability to balance those things.”
I thought Warner put it best on Allen in this game, and Allen as a player. He said, “It’s impossible to play perfect games, and Josh played an incredible game—until the end. In the end, he took some chances that wouldn’t have been what I would have done. But he chose to make those throws, and if you choose those throws, you’ve got to make ‘em. That’s part of being great. Brady, Montana, Mahomes—they have careers of making the plays in the absolute crucial times of the game. Now they’re on the Mount Rushmore of NFL quarterbacks.”
Allen is just six years into his career. He’s got much of his NFL life in front of him. He’s a smart guy. He’s one of the most talented quarterbacks ever to play in the NFL. He’s going to have plenty of chances to go deep into the playoffs, and to win a Super Bowl. But this is a crucial lesson he must learn, or he may never hold the Lombardi Trophy.
This is NOT rocket science. It's COLD HARD REALITY!!!!
Like I said in this thread....
Not only do I believe that Josh CAN learn from his mistakes but he ABSOLUTELY WILL and is DESTINED to win MULTIPLE SUPER BOWLS WITH THE BUFFALO BILLS!!!
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