DIFFERENCE IN THE BILL'S AND CHEIFS .....very simple..

[cas22]

Re: DIFFERENCE IN THE BILL'S AND CHEIFS .....very simple..

NOPE!!!!

If Allen was in KC he would probably have NO Super Bowl wins.

If Mahomes was in Buffalo, he probably would have had THREE.

I've posted the FACTS several times. Some just simply do not want to accept what is GLARINGLY obvious.

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the Chiefs were a very good team with a very good QB, Alex Smith (with Kelce) from his first year with KC. Their playoff success?? Not much.

2013 - one and out - lost in WC round
2014 - missed playoffs
2015 - won WC, lost Div to NE and Brady
2016 - one and out - lost in Div to Pittsburgh (did not play in WC, they were #2 seed)
2017 - one and out - lost to Tenn in WC


For the math challenged, that is a 1-4 record.

2018 Patrick Mahomes takes over as starting QB....

2018 - lost in AFCC to NE and Brady (they had fist round bye via #1 seed)
2019 - won Super Bowl beating HOU in Div, and Tenn in AFCC. Did not have to play against NE and Brady. (they had fist round bye via #2 seed)
2020 - lost SB to Tampa Bay and TOM BRADY. (they had fist round bye via #1 seed) - Bills get #2 seed but because of playoff change do NOT get first round bye.
2021 - lost to Cincy in AFCC - they did NOT get first round bye
2022 - won SB - (they had fist round bye via #1 seed)

Sensing a pattern here???? No Mahomes, no success. Mahomes - great success.

Same with Belichick and Brady.

Same with Paul Brown and Otto Graham (yes, the great Paul Brown never won a championship without Otto Graham at QB).

Same with Vince Lombardi and Bart Starr (yes, the great Vince Lombardi never won a championship without Bart Starr at QB).
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Andy Reid was head coach for TWENTY ONE YEARS until he won his first Super Bowl.


In Philly he had DONOVAN MCNABB for TEN YEARS and could not win one. His teams (with McNAbb) LOST THREE CONSECUTIVE NFC CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIP GAMES. Before FINALLY making it to the Super Bowl where his team LOST!!!

The Chiefs won a LOT of games with Alex Smith....in FACT, as Mike Sando observes....

"For as much as quarterback Patrick Mahomes drives the team’s success, coach Andy Reid’s .658 win rate in 76 games with Alex Smith behind center exceeds the career winning percentages for Bill Belichick, Tom Landry, Bud Grant, Joe Gibbs, Bill Walsh and Reid himself."


Reid is a very good coach. Patrick Mahomes made him a Super Bowl winning coach.

thats strictly your opinion.. I disagree right along with 100 experts, if mahomes would have been in this offense he might be on the shelf, they are 2 entirely different schemes, something Allen would thrive in, Mahomes isn't a bruising runner like Allen nor could he take the pounding Allen has endured so far, take Kelce off KC and they don't even make the playoffs .. Mahomes has never been on a none playoff caliber team in his career, Allen was thrown to the fire with no talrnt around him..

[YardRat]

Re: DIFFERENCE IN THE BILL'S AND CHEIFS .....very simple..

The last post had a bad link and was making the thread unreadable.

[sahlensguy]

Re: DIFFERENCE IN THE BILL'S AND CHEIFS .....very simple..

Talent didn't cause us to lose 13 seconds.

Talent didn't cause our collapse after the 2 minute warning.

The difference is that they have the "it" factor, relatively speaking.

[Oaf]

Re: DIFFERENCE IN THE BILL'S AND CHEIFS .....very simple..

Talent didn't cause us to lose 13 seconds.

Talent didn't cause our collapse after the 2 minute warning.

The difference is that they have the "it" factor, relatively speaking.

"It" being relatively strategic and not so tight.

[ghz in pittsburgh]

Re: DIFFERENCE IN THE BILL'S AND CHEIFS .....very simple..

I agree we don't have a Chris Jones talent on defense, but Allen is as good as Mahomes and Kincaid and Cook together = Kelce in my eyes, the biggest difference on offence is Andy Reid and a west coast offense which I'd give my left nut for Buffalo to change too.

Kincaid << Kelce. Before this year I would use <<< but Kelce has a down year in general. But he sure showed up in the playoffs. I'm not down on Kincaid because he is a rookie after all.
Cook? He might be the best we had since McCoy, but whether he is better than Pacheco is still a question. Sure Cook has a more yards but per carrier number is very similar. Pacheco had a lot less carries and had 9 total TDs.

[ghz in pittsburgh]

Re: DIFFERENCE IN THE BILL'S AND CHEIFS .....very simple..

Speaking of Pacheco, that brings me to another issue in Bills chasing the Chiefs for the glory. Both teams are paying QB big money so the cap is going to be an issue for both. Winning on draft days are going to be a key factor (injury of course is an unknown factor).

That 2022 draft, the Bills had Elam, Cook, Bernard, Shakir, Ariza, Benford, Tenuta, and Spector. A year later, I can say 4 starters (I count Shakir starting next year) and 1 ST contributer. Very good draft in its own right.

Now look at the Chiefs draft that year - 8 oout the 10 picks making significant contribution by the snaps they played. 1 star already (McDuffie), 2 other budding stars Karlaftis and Pacheco.
Chiefs 2022 Draft Class and grade ranks among rookies

Pick No.	Name	Pos.	Offensive/defensive Snaps	PFF Grade	Grade rank
21	Trent McDuffie	CB	809	73.5	3 of 26
30	George Karlaftis	EDGE	791	50.3	16 of 19
54	Skyy Moore	WR	371	67.7	8 of 11
62	Bryan Cook	S	387	60.6	6 of 9
103	Leo Chenal	LB	278	66.7	1 of 11
135	Joshua Williams	CB	499	63.2	15 of 26
145	Darian Kinnard	OT	0	—	—
243	Jaylen Watson	CB	719	59.6	17 of 26
251	Isiah Pacheco	HB	414	76.3	5 of 10
260	Nazeeh Johnson	CB	0	—	—

[Mad Max]

Re: DIFFERENCE IN THE BILL'S AND CHEIFS .....very simple..

Speaking of Pacheco, that brings me to another issue in Bills chasing the Chiefs for the glory. Both teams are paying QB big money so the cap is going to be an issue for both. Winning on draft days are going to be a key factor (injury of course is an unknown factor).

That 2022 draft, the Bills had Elam, Cook, Bernard, Shakir, Ariza, Benford, Tenuta, and Spector. A year later, I can say 4 starters (I count Shakir starting next year) and 1 ST contributer. Very good draft in its own right.

Now look at the Chiefs draft that year - 8 oout the 10 picks making significant contribution by the snaps they played. 1 star already (McDuffie), 2 other budding stars Karlaftis and Pacheco.
Chiefs 2022 Draft Class and grade ranks among rookies

Pick No.	Name	Pos.	Offensive/defensive Snaps	PFF Grade	Grade rank
21	Trent McDuffie	CB	809	73.5	3 of 26
30	George Karlaftis	EDGE	791	50.3	16 of 19
54	Skyy Moore	WR	371	67.7	8 of 11
62	Bryan Cook	S	387	60.6	6 of 9
103	Leo Chenal	LB	278	66.7	1 of 11
135	Joshua Williams	CB	499	63.2	15 of 26
145	Darian Kinnard	OT	0	—	—
243	Jaylen Watson	CB	719	59.6	17 of 26
251	Isiah Pacheco	HB	414	76.3	5 of 10
260	Nazeeh Johnson	CB	0	—	—

Yep. We gotta cash in 3-4 draft picks including at least one game changer.

Beane’s a power hitter that likes to swing for the fences so he’s gonna strike out a fair amount …but he’s also gonna crush one out of the park on occasion along with some doubles and triples (like Shakir, Benford, and Cook).

im fine with that strategy. Beats a bunch of meh players like our previous regime used to always net us, or Jimmy Johnson’s picks with the fish or Belichicks picks.

[DraftBoy]

Re: DIFFERENCE IN THE BILL'S AND CHEIFS .....very simple..

I don't buy that. These two guys are really excellent players OK ... but the recency bias is profound. Allen has more talent and capability than Mahomes he just doesn't apply his brain the same way so he ends up being inferior to a lot of folks.

No, Allen doesn’t. He’s tremendous and capable of one day winning a Super Bowl, but he’s not at the same level as Mahomes.

[Historian]

Re: DIFFERENCE IN THE BILL'S AND CHEIFS .....very simple..

talent evaluation is the #1 difference, hear me out!

KC has 3 guys left on this years team vs there 1st SuperBowl victory with Mahomes, they are Mahomes ,Kelce and Chris Jones on defense, year in and year out they move on from players demanding big salary's or expiring contracts.

who doe's that sound like? New England when they had Brady.. we need to start drafting and quit worrying about guys that had decent play in years past, we have Allen Cook , Kincaid and Oliver on defense, do the same..

we are just the opposite as KC, we try and re-sign everyone... KC has went through 2 left tackles, we have Dawkins, we have resigned way to many guys like Hyde and Poyer and White and Milano and Diggs and Knox just for starter.

in order to win and keep the cap in check you have to get play out of young guys while they are under there 1st contract then move on, but you have to know talent and that just might be where The Bills are different from the KC's and NE's of the Brady years.

This is a really good point.

And it's the reason the Patriots were never in "cap hell" during their 20 year run.

Once a guy got too expensive, he was jettisoned out for draft picks....draft picks who pretty much had immediate impact.

The only X factor is injuries, and NE, as well as the current Chiefs have gotten very lucky in avoiding them, probably since the teams were younger....and they played on real grass.

[jamze132]

Re: DIFFERENCE IN THE BILL'S AND CHEIFS .....very simple..

Anyone crapping on Josh Allen is a complete fool. He is plenty good enough to win multiple Super Bowls but it’s a TEAM game. He’s not out kicking FGs or covering TEs.

I stand behind this…if we had Milano or Bernard playing instead of Klein, we’d have beat KC and they wouldn’t look like the team they appear to be. Any one of four teams were good enough to win the SB this year. It takes a bit of luck sometimes too. One thing KC does have a distinct advantage though is their coaching. They don’t make stupid decisions.

[sahlensguy]

Re: DIFFERENCE IN THE BILL'S AND CHEIFS .....very simple..

Anyone crapping on Josh Allen is a complete fool. He is plenty good enough to win multiple Super Bowls but it’s a TEAM game. He’s not out kicking FGs or covering TEs.

I stand behind this…if we had Milano or Bernard playing instead of Klein, we’d have beat KC and they wouldn’t look like the team they appear to be. Any one of four teams were good enough to win the SB this year. It takes a bit of luck sometimes too. One thing KC does have a distinct advantage though is their coaching. They don’t make stupid decisions.

Anyone not crapping on Josh's two minute performances a complete idiot.

[Canadian'eh!]

Re: DIFFERENCE IN THE BILL'S AND CHEIFS .....very simple..

Andy Reid is an offensive genius.

Nobody on the Bills can sniff his undies.

Combine that with the best QB to ever breath (yes, I said it), and the best TE to ever breath (yes, I said it again), and it's an unstoppable force.

Not to mention their Defense was lights out this year.

Reid/Spags having Mahomes, Kelce and Jones.

[DraftBoy]

Re: DIFFERENCE IN THE BILL'S AND CHEIFS .....very simple..

Reid/Spags having Mahomes, Kelce and Jones.

A key difference though would be that both Reid and Spags have a long history of winning before Mahomes, Kelce, and Jones. I don’t think it’s quite fair to assume their current success is because they have those three now.

[Canadian'eh!]

Re: DIFFERENCE IN THE BILL'S AND CHEIFS .....very simple..

A key difference though would be that both Reid and Spags have a long history of winning before Mahomes, Kelce, and Jones. I don’t think it’s quite fair to assume their current success is because they have those three now.

I’m saying it’s the combination of great coaches with great players. You can be a great coach but you need those key guys.

Spags coached a great D, but several times in the playoffs Jones gave them that extra special play they needed.

Reid makes life easy for Mahomes and vice versa.

[jamze132]

Re: DIFFERENCE IN THE BILL'S AND CHEIFS .....very simple..

Anyone not crapping on Josh's two minute performances a complete idiot.

You’re ignoring the other good things he did to put his team in a position to win. No other team scored more points against the Chiefs in the playoffs than Josh Allen. To pin the entire loss on him is plain stupid.