If this is your first visit, be sure to
check out the FAQ by clicking the
link above. You may have to register
before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages,
select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.
All: The new Billszone site with the updated software is scheduled to be turned on Tuesday, May 21, 2024. The company that built it, Dynascale, estimates a FOUR HOUR shut down, from 8pm Pacific, (5pm Eastern) while they get it up and running. Nobody will be able to post in any forum until they are done. Afterwards, you may need to do a web search for the site, as old links will not work, because the site is getting a new IP address. Please be patient. If there are bugs, we will tackle them one at a time. Remember the goal is to be up and running with no glitches by camp. Doing this now assures us of that, because it gives us all summer to get our ducks in a row. Thank you!
There is work to be done and things to be learned. We are going to try to get the old look back - or something close to it. We also know there are bugs. A thread will be started to report bugs and then we can pass those onto the host.
Thank you for all the patience and support with this - hopefully this will greatly reduce the crashes and other site issues we have had lately.
Please use this thread to report any issues you come across
http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/forum/feedback-forums/billszone-q-a/6521455-upgrade-report-bugs-here
DIFFERENCE IN THE BILL'S AND CHEIFS .....very simple..
I don't think I have to support the claim that Reid and Spagnuolo are far better coaches than Brady/Dorsey/Daboll and McD. Everyone knows it.
All I wanted to know was what you thought that those coaches would do differently in the 13 seconds and the 58 minute games that would have yielded different results. If they are so much better, the answer should be easy.
The difference is far greater than "slight." Reid has 20 years of HC'ing on McD. He's also a far better OC than what the Bills have had under McD. And again, Spags proved himself with the way his defense shut down the Cheats in 2007. Again no one would take the Bills' coaches over them. No one. And again, it's not like the Chefs have blown out the Bills in any game save for the 2020 playoffs. They were a missed easy FG away from tying the game against the Chefs, despite having a MASH unit on defense much of the game.
Baloney.
The "slight" I was speaking to was the difference between QB's, Allen and Mahomes. With Mahomes CLEARLY (slightly) better at the most crucial times in playoff games....in particular comparing the Bills loss to KC this year and KC's win in OT at the SB.
"Reid has 20 years of HC'ing on McD." and Reid NOT winning a SB (after being a HC for 21 years UNTIL he had Mahomes) is the point.
All the other observations you have made IGNORE the FACT That the Bills have beaten KC THREE TIMES IN A ROW, in KC, during the regular season.
The Bills were in PRIME POSITION to BEAT KC in the playoffs, until Josh crumbled in the last two minutes making bad decisions that Mahomes hardly ever makes (when he does, like the AFCC game vs Cincy, KC loses)...and DID NOT make in the last drive of the SB.
The fact that the Bills "were a missed easy FG away from tying the game against the Chefs, despite having a MASH unit on defense much of the game." proves that Reid was NOT the difference.
Josh makes better decision in the last two minutes, it would be very likely the Bills would have the Lombardi instead of KC.
All I wanted to know was what you thought that those coaches would do differently in the 13 seconds and the 58 minute games that would have yielded different results. If they are so much better, the answer should be easy.
I'm not an X's and O's guy. Someone else could probably tell you specifically what they would have done differently. Again what I do know, and what everyone else would agree with, is they have better coaches.
The "slight" I was speaking to was the difference between QB's, Allen and Mahomes. With Mahomes CLEARLY (slightly) better at the most crucial times in playoff games....in particular comparing the Bills loss to KC this year and KC's win in OT at the SB.
"Reid has 20 years of HC'ing on McD." and Reid NOT winning a SB (after being a HC for 21 years UNTIL he had Mahomes) is the point.
All the other observations you have made IGNORE the FACT That the Bills have beaten KC THREE TIMES IN A ROW, in KC, during the regular season.
The Bills were in PRIME POSITION to BEAT KC in the playoffs, until Josh crumbled in the last two minutes making bad decisions that Mahomes hardly ever makes (when he does, like the AFCC game vs Cincy, KC loses)...and DID NOT make in the last drive of the SB.
The fact that the Bills "were a missed easy FG away from tying the game against the Chefs, despite having a MASH unit on defense much of the game." proves that Reid was NOT the difference.
Josh makes better decision in the last two minutes, it would be very likely the Bills would have the Lombardi instead of KC.
THAT'S THE POINT!!!!
Yeah and Josh's receivers, RB's, TE's and OL were flawless in the game, right? Please.
Even you could have thrown that game-winning TD pass in the SB, Hardman was that wide open.
And yeah, Reid never won a SB before because he didn't have a QB as good as Mahomes. Or Allen.
Yeah and Josh's receivers, RB's, TE's and OL were flawless in the game, right? Please.
Even you could have thrown that game-winning TD pass in the SB, Hardman was that wide open.
And yeah, Reid never won a SB before because he didn't have a QB as good as Mahomes. Or Allen.
Who said that "Josh's receivers, RB's, TE's and OL were flawless in the game"?!?!?! NO ONE!!!!!!
Even you could have thrown that 2nd down pass with 2 min left in the game to Diggs who was that wide open. Which would have been SMART GAME MANAGEMENT as it would have probably resulted in a first down (or set up 3rd and very short)....and KC would have to burn timeouts. Making the winning TD that much easier...leaving hardly any time on the clock (or at the very least, gaining extra yards that would have made the tying FG much easier).
There would have been (with a go ahead TD) little chance of the 13 second situation, because KC would have NO time outs, and 75 yards to score a TD....not having to gain about 35 yards for a FG.
It's irrelevant what happened the previous 58 minutes. Josh had the ball, with 2 min left, on KC's TWENTY SIX YARD LINE, with two time outs. Instead of rising to the occasion, like we have seen the greats do time after time after time....two dumb passes (stopping the clock) ZERO yards gained......and even if Bass made the tying FG, KC would have had the ball with 1:43 left, two time outs, and the need to gain only about 35 yards for the wining FG.
Who in the their right mind doubts that Mahomes would have done that with relative ease.
Back to KC's SB winning drive. It's not about Hardman being wide open for the winning TD it's about Mahomes performance in the last drive as I already detailed above....
Mahomes went 8-8 and was flawless for the winning drive.....Josh Allen not even close to flawless in the last drive vs KC.
Mahomes - 8/8 42 yards
Mahomes - 2 runs for 27 yards
Pacheco - 3 runs for 6 yards
Last drive for Bills VS KC
Allen - 6/11 for 42 yards
Allen - 2 runs for 10 yards - 1 fumble (recovered by Buffalo)
Cook - 2 runs - 1 yard
Who said that "Josh's receivers, RB's, TE's and OL were flawless in the game"?!?!?! NO ONE!!!!!!
Even you could have thrown that 2nd down pass with 2 min left in the game to Diggs who was that wide open. Which would have been SMART GAME MANAGEMENT as it would have probably resulted in a first down (or set up 3rd and very short)....and KC would have to burn timeouts. Making the winning TD that much easier...leaving hardly any time on the clock (or at the very least, gaining extra yards that would have made the tying FG much easier).
There would have been (with a go ahead TD) little chance of the 13 second situation, because KC would have NO time outs, and 75 yards to score a TD....not having to gain about 35 yards for a FG.
It's irrelevant what happened the previous 58 minutes. Josh had the ball, with 2 min left, on KC's TWENTY SIX YARD LINE, with two time outs. Instead of rising to the occasion, like we have seen the greats do time after time after time....two dumb passes (stopping the clock) ZERO yards gained......and even if Bass made the tying FG, KC would have had the ball with 1:43 left, two time outs, and the need to gain only about 35 yards for the wining FG.
Who in the their right mind doubts that Mahomes would have done that with relative ease.
Back to KC's SB winning drive. It's not about Hardman being wide open for the winning TD it's about Mahomes performance in the last drive as I already detailed above....
Mahomes went 8-8 and was flawless for the winning drive.....Josh Allen not even close to flawless in the last drive vs KC.
Mahomes - 8/8 42 yards
Mahomes - 2 runs for 27 yards
Pacheco - 3 runs for 6 yards
Last drive for Bills VS KC
Allen - 6/11 for 42 yards
Allen - 2 runs for 10 yards - 1 fumble (recovered by Buffalo)
Cook - 2 runs - 1 yard
Every throw on that drive was to a guy who was wide open because of the scheme/play-calling. What are you not getting here?
Again this was Reid against McD and Brady versus Spagnuolo, which was already a huge advantages for the Chefs in terms of HC'ing and coordinating talent and experience alone. Then you add-in the Bills' defense being depleted in the back 7 against a passing team and you get what happened. And that's why McD is on a short leash going forward since we can't waste Josh's best years.
Every throw on that drive was to a guy who was wide open because of the scheme/play-calling. What are you not getting here?
Again this was Reid against McD and Brady versus Spagnuolo, which was already a huge advantages for the Chefs in terms of HC'ing and coordinating talent and experience alone. Then you add-in the Bills' defense being depleted in the back 7 against a passing team and you get what happened. And that's why McD is on a short leash going forward since we can't waste Josh's best years.
Keep on ignoring the elephant in the room if it makes you feel better. What are YOU "not getting here"????
Diggs was WIDE OPEN on the 2nd and 9 play from KC's 26 yard line which was the EASY LAY UP, that would have put KC in the worst position....forcing them to use their time outs...and the Bills in a PERFECT situation to run down the clock and either score the winning TD, with hardly any time left, or in a position to kick an easy tying FG with hardly any time left on the clock.
SITUATIONAL FOOTBALL...that Josh, in his sixth year should have down pat by now. He doesn't.
It is OBVIOUS to anyone without Josh homerism glasses that Josh simply did not rise to the occasion after the 2 min mark of the KC game, and Mahomes almost always does.
Josh Allen had the game within grasp....and ****ed it up. Again, what are YOU not getting here?????
Keep on ignoring the elephant in the room if it makes you feel better. What are YOU "not getting here"????
Diggs was WIDE OPEN on the 2nd and 9 play from KC's 26 yard line which was the EASY LAY UP, that would have put KC in the worst position....forcing them to use their time outs...and the Bills in a PERFECT situation to run down the clock and either score the winning TD, with hardly any time left, or in a position to kick an easy tying FG with hardly any time left on the clock.
SITUATIONAL FOOTBALL...that Josh, in his sixth year should have down pat by now. He doesn't.
It is OBVIOUS to anyone without Josh homerism glasses that Josh simply did not rise to the occasion after the 2 min mark of the KC game, and Mahomes almost always does.
Josh Allen had the game within grasp....and ****ed it up. Again, what are YOU not getting here?????
Diggs was wide open...for a TD? WRONG!
Josh made the right read on that play but misfired because Dawkins got pushed-into him by Chris Jones.
The Bills should have been looking to milk clock at that point. Who is that on?
And as you showed, Cook had 2 runs for 1 yard. Is that on Josh?
How about Bass missing an easy FG to tie the game? That on Josh as well?
What about earlier in the drive when Josh rushed and stood still because his forward progress was stopped but the Chefs pushed him back and Pennel landed on top of him, which should have been RTP?
Again no one would take the Bills' coaches over the Chefs'. No one. And it shouldn't come down to one play where, again, mistakes were made by several people.
Josh made the right read on that play but misfired because Dawkins got pushed-into him by Chris Jones.
The Bills should have been looking to milk clock at that point. Who is that on?
And as you showed, Cook had 2 runs for 1 yard. Is that on Josh?
How about Bass missing an easy FG to tie the game? That on Josh as well?
What about earlier in the drive when Josh rushed and stood still because his forward progress was stopped but the Chefs pushed him back and Pennel landed on top of him, which should have been RTP?
Again no one would take the Bills' coaches over the Chefs'. No one. And it shouldn't come down to one play where, again, mistakes were made by several people.
Jesus. Now you are just pissing me off.
NO ONE SAID that "Diggs was wide open for a TD". NO ONE!!!!!
DO I REALLY have to repeat myself AGAIN?!?!?!?
No, Josh did NOT make "the right read", he made a TERRIBLE DECISION!!!!!! JOSH MAKES THE DECISION ON WHERE TO THROW THE BALL. PERIOD!!!!! It's ON HIM!!!!!
The SMART PLAY was to throw to a WIDE OPEN DIGGS for either the first down, OR, setting up for 3rd down and short. Which would FORCE KC TO USE THEIR TIME OUTS!!!!!
Even if Josh makes that TD pass...SO WHAT?!?!?!
The Chiefs would have gotten the ball after a kickoff on their 25 yard line with (about ) 1:55 left with TWO TIME OUTS.
It would be almost inevitable that Mahomes would lead them for the winning TD....leaving no time on the clock.
Keep your Josh homerism glasses on if you like. It's dumb.
NO ONE SAID that "Diggs was wide open for a TD". NO ONE!!!!!
DO I REALLY have to repeat myself AGAIN?!?!?!?
No, Josh did NOT make "the right read", he made a TERRIBLE DECISION!!!!!! JOSH MAKES THE DECISION ON WHERE TO THROW THE BALL. PERIOD!!!!! It's ON HIM!!!!!
The SMART PLAY was to throw to a WIDE OPEN DIGGS for either the first down, OR, setting up for 3rd down and short. Which would FORCE KC TO USE THEIR TIME OUTS!!!!!
Even if Josh makes that TD pass...SO WHAT?!?!?!
The Chiefs would have gotten the ball after a kickoff on their 25 yard line with (about ) 1:55 left with TWO TIME OUTS.
It would be almost inevitable that Mahomes would lead them for the winning TD....leaving no time on the clock.
Keep your Josh homerism glasses on if you like. It's dumb.
Oh no, you're pissed off. Who TF are you and who TF cares?
Josh made the right read. Don't listen to Romo who talks out of his ass and couldn't win a playoff game to save his career. If Diggs had been wide open for a TD, you'd have a point, but you don't.
The Bills came into the game under-manned and the Chefs came in 100% healthy. And still the Bills should have tied it at the end if not for Bass missing an easy FG. And that's ignoring how Reid and Spags out-coached Brady and McD for most of the game.
Go take your Mahomes fantasies elsewhere as Reid could easily win SBs with Josh. To say otherwise is what's dumb.
Oh no, you're pissed off. Who TF are you and who TF cares?
Josh made the right read. Don't listen to Romo who talks out of his ass and couldn't win a playoff game to save his career. If Diggs had been wide open for a TD, you'd have a point, but you don't.
The Bills came into the game under-manned and the Chefs came in 100% healthy. And still the Bills should have tied it at the end if not for Bass missing an easy FG. And that's ignoring how Reid and Spags out-coached Brady and McD for most of the game.
Go take your Mahomes fantasies elsewhere as Reid could easily win SBs with Josh. To say otherwise is what's dumb.
You'll never get anywhere with those who think Josh made the wrong read.
You'll never get anywhere with those who think Josh made the wrong read.
Yup. What they're actually saying is that Josh can't win a SB even with the best coaches in the league and a healthy team, neither of which he has (in the playoffs, that is).
Yup. What they're actually saying is that Josh can't win a SB even with the best coaches in the league and a healthy team, neither of which he has (in the playoffs, that is).
Well when you are committed 100% that Josh made the right read, I don't think you're the best one to put words in the mouths of your detractors.
Tweet
Comment