DIFFERENCE IN THE BILL'S AND CHEIFS .....very simple..

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Re: DIFFERENCE IN THE BILL'S AND CHEIFS .....very simple..

Oh no, you're pissed off. Who TF are you and who TF cares?

Josh made the right read. Don't listen to Romo who talks out of his ass and couldn't win a playoff game to save his career. If Diggs had been wide open for a TD, you'd have a point, but you don't.

The Bills came into the game under-manned and the Chefs came in 100% healthy. And still the Bills should have tied it at the end if not for Bass missing an easy FG. And that's ignoring how Reid and Spags out-coached Brady and McD for most of the game.

Go take your Mahomes fantasies elsewhere as Reid could easily win SBs with Josh. To say otherwise is what's dumb.

Baloney.

I'm "pissed off" because you are LYING about what I wrote....TWICE!!!! Don't do that!!!

First, I (nor anyone else) even suggested, much less said that "Diggs was wide open...for a TD" You pulled that lie that right out of your ass.

Plus, I never mentioned Tony Romo or one word that he said. I DID cite Kurt Warner's astute and spot on observations. Yeah, the undrafted free agent QB, who not only HAS WON playoff games, his playoff record is 9-4 with three NFC Championships (never lost a NFCC game), one Super Bowl win, one Super Bowl MVP and two NFL MVP's. Hie led the Rams to a LOMBARDI TROPHY his FIRST YEAR as starting QB in the NFL.

Yeah, Kurt Warner knows what he is talking about from first hand experience. You have no ****ing clue.

The reality if the reality, no matter if you can't take off your Josh homerism glasses to see them.

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Re: DIFFERENCE IN THE BILL'S AND CHEIFS .....very simple..

You'll never get anywhere with those who think Josh made the wrong read.

Josh made the WRONG DECISION based on the GAME SITUATION.

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Re: DIFFERENCE IN THE BILL'S AND CHEIFS .....very simple..

Baloney.

I'm "pissed off" because you are LYING about what I wrote....TWICE!!!! Don't do that!!!

First, I (nor anyone else) even suggested, much less said that "Diggs was wide open...for a TD" You pulled that lie that right out of your ass.

Plus, I never mentioned Tony Romo or one word that he said. I DID cite Kurt Warner's astute and spot on observations. Yeah, the undrafted free agent QB, who not only HAS WON playoff games, his playoff record is 9-4 with three NFC Championships (never lost a NFCC game), one Super Bowl win, one Super Bowl MVP and two NFL MVP's. Hie led the Rams to a LOMBARDI TROPHY his FIRST YEAR as starting QB in the NFL.

Yeah, Kurt Warner knows what he is talking about from first hand experience. You have no ****ing clue.

The reality if the reality, no matter if you can't take off your Josh homerism glasses to see them.

So your official position is that Josh can never win a SB, is that it? Or that the Chefs win SBs solely because of Mahomes? If so, you have no idea what you're talking about.

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Josh made the WRONG DECISION based on the GAME SITUATION.

And the coach says that is lack of execution. I am saying it is lack of information and practice about what to do in game situations. It is about everyone being on the same page about what the TEAM is doing. Our guys aren't. It goes back to times where the only people left in this organization are McDermott, Beane & Pegula. It's not the players that fail to prepare themselves.

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So your official position is that Josh can never win a SB, is that it? Or that the Chefs win SBs solely because of Mahomes? If so, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Jesus. This is the THIRD TIME you are lying about what I have written.....THIS is (some) of what I have said....NOT the bullcrap you have pulled out of your butt.

I am not saying that a good head coach is not necessary to win a SB. But if I were to dole out the degree of importance, my opinion for SB success is 75% QB...25% coach.

Josh Allen has at least 10 more years to prove that he is one of those QB's and I predict he WILL win multiple Super Bowls with the Bills and McD as HC. And JOSH will be the reason why.

Mahomes>Allen. By just enough. That's the difference.

I did not say that (in response to what Novacane said "If you don't think Reid is a better coach than Mcd than you're only the 2nd person in the world who thinks that. McD's wife is the first.". Why do you feel the need to misrepresent (read: lie) about what I wrote????? Don't do that.

What I AM saying is that Reid is not THE difference....not even close.

It's Mahomes.

I have proven that without any doubt whatsoever.

Here is another mind boggling fact that illustrates THE difference is Patrick Mahomes from Go Long's Mailbag Column....

This stat from fellow Substacker Neil Paine boggles the brain and helps put Mahomes’ current greatness into proper perspective.

Paine writes:

“Since 2001, there have been 125 drives in the NFL postseason where it was at least the fourth quarter, there was under a minute left to play, and the team on offense trailed by seven points or fewer at the start. These are your standard clutch moments for a football team, the do-or-die drives that win and lose critical games.

“Out of those 125 drives, only 40 percent of them saw the team on offense pull off the magic trick and get the points they needed. Some quarterbacks are pretty good at it, such as Tom Brady, who went 5-for-11 (46%), or Drew Brees, who went 3-for-6 (50%). Only Patrick Mahomes, though, 7-for-7, or perfect, in those dire situations.”

NOPE!!!! (in response to Oaf saying "Josh Allen is plenty good enough to beat KC - we've seen it three regular seasons in a row. KC was the better team in BUF last month, so they won....."

Buffalo was the better team than KC "last month", but Mahomes was the better QB in the clutch than Josh. It's been that way since both QB's came into the league.


That does not mean that Josh will not rise to the occasion in the future.

Nope.

Josh is NOT "just as good as Mahomes". What lame homerism.

Does not mean that Josh cannot get better and reduce the gap between him and Mahomes. Once he learns to make better decisions at the most crucial moments in the playoffs, he will win some SB's.

Josh is "just as good" as Joe Burrow....but neither of them is on the level of Mahomes.

Even then, at the end of each of their careers, there is NO DOUBT that Patrick Mahomes will be widely considered (like he is accurately today considered the head and shoulders best QB in the NFL) the better QB. Just like Tom Brady is considered the better QB than Peyton Manning.

Baloney. (in response to your dishonest suggestion (that means FOUR times you have lied about what I wrote) that "The difference is far greater than "slight." Reid has 20 years of HC'ing on McD."


The "slight" I was speaking to was the difference between QB's, Allen and Mahomes. With Mahomes CLEARLY (slightly) better at the most crucial times in playoff games....in particular comparing the Bills loss to KC this year and KC's win in OT at the SB.

"Reid has 20 years of HC'ing on McD." and Reid NOT winning a SB (after being a HC for 21 years UNTIL he had Mahomes) is the point.

All the other observations you have made IGNORE the FACT That the Bills have beaten KC THREE TIMES IN A ROW, in KC, during the regular season.

The Bills were in PRIME POSITION to BEAT KC in the playoffs, until Josh crumbled in the last two minutes making bad decisions that Mahomes hardly ever makes (when he does, like the AFCC game vs Cincy, KC loses)...and DID NOT make in the last drive of the SB.

The fact that the Bills "were a missed easy FG away from tying the game against the Chefs, despite having a MASH unit on defense much of the game." proves that Reid was NOT the difference.

Josh makes better decision in the last two minutes, it would be very likely the Bills would have the Lombardi instead of KC.

THAT'S THE POINT!!!!

The reality is NOT that anyone (except Opi) that "Josh can never win a Super Bowl" (at least as Opi's sourpuss prediciton that he will never do so with the Bills) it's that Josh is almost there and in this KC game FAILED to RISE TO THE OCCASSION, like Mahomes deos over and over and over again in the msot critcal moments.

Kurt Warner (and Peter KIng) has got it SPOT ON when they say....

Allen, on this drive (last of the game for Buffalo), had flipped and thrown and side-armed completions of 7, 4, 8, 10, 6 and 7 yards. And needing a first down here, he went gunslinger. I just don’t know why. Kurt Warner, one who would know, tried to explain it a few days after the game.
“Sometimes,” Warner said, “you talk yourself into a play and say, ‘I’m gonna make this play, and this is the throw that’ll send us to the championship game,’ instead of saying, ‘I’m gonna let the defense dictate where I throw the ball.’ As a quarterback, you have to have the ability to balance those things.”

I thought Warner put it best on Allen in this game, and Allen as a player. He said, “It’s impossible to play perfect games, and Josh played an incredible game—until the end. In the end, he took some chances that wouldn’t have been what I would have done. But he chose to make those throws, and if you choose those throws, you’ve got to make ‘em. That’s part of being great. Brady, Montana, Mahomes—they have careers of making the plays in the absolute crucial times of the game. Now they’re on the Mount Rushmore of NFL quarterbacks.”

Allen is just six years into his career. He’s got much of his NFL life in front of him. He’s a smart guy. He’s one of the most talented quarterbacks ever to play in the NFL. He’s going to have plenty of chances to go deep into the playoffs, and to win a Super Bowl. But this is a crucial lesson he must learn, or he may never hold the Lombardi Trophy.

This is NOT rocket science. It's COLD HARD REALITY!!!!

Like I said in this thread....

I'm not "Pinning the loss on one player"....quite the opposite.

The point is that Josh must RISE TO THE OCCASION, and enter that rarefied level of elite championship caliber moment. He HAD that opportunity this game and flubbed it.

Does not mean I "blame" him for the LOSS....I am frustrated for HIM because he he has not learned (yet) the lessons that Kurt Warner articulated impeccably.

Yes, Josh is undoubtedly "a top 3 QB in this league". BUT, as Kurt observed (and he KNOWS from experience)...

“It’s impossible to play perfect games, and Josh played an incredible game—until the end. In the end, he took some chances that wouldn’t have been what I would have done. But he chose to make those throws, and if you choose those throws, you’ve got to make ‘em. That’s part of being great. Brady, Montana, Mahomes—they have careers of making the plays in the absolute crucial times of the game. Now they’re on the Mount Rushmore of NFL quarterbacks.”


Josh has ALL the ability to be on the "Mount Rushmore of NFL quarterbacks". And I believe, eventually, he will.

Not only do I believe that Josh CAN learn from his mistakes but he ABSOLUTELY WILL and is DESTINED to win MULTIPLE SUPER BOWLS WITH THE BUFFALO BILLS!!!

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Not only do I believe that Josh CAN learn from his mistakes but he ABSOLUTELY WILL and is DESTINED to win MULTIPLE SUPER BOWLS WITH THE BUFFALO BILLS!!!

So what you're saying is that Josh can't win a SB at this time and that he is the sole reason the Bills haven't gone to, much less won, a SB yet. Because the Bills' coaching staff is as good as KCs and they've been just as healthy in the playoffs.

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Re: DIFFERENCE IN THE BILL'S AND CHEIFS .....very simple..

So what you're saying is that Josh can't win a SB at this time and that he is the sole reason the Bills haven't gone to, much less won, a SB yet. Because the Bills' coaching staff is as good as KCs and they've been just as healthy in the playoffs.

Wow, man. Talk about putting words in the mouth of someone who disagrees with you.

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Re: DIFFERENCE IN THE BILL'S AND CHEIFS .....very simple..

So what you're saying is that Josh can't win a SB at this time and that he is the sole reason the Bills haven't gone to, much less won, a SB yet. Because the Bills' coaching staff is as good as KCs and they've been just as healthy in the playoffs.

What I am saying is that Josh Allen has NOT shown he can get to, much less win a SB at this time. That is a FACT.

I am NOT saying that he is the "sole reason the Bills haven't gone to, much less won, a SB yet".

What I AM saying is that THIS YEAR, Josh had the opportunity in the palm of his capable hands to step up and win the game vs KC. He has already shown that he can do that....as he did in 2021.


THIS YEAR, Josh FAILED to rise to the occasion, like Mahomes almost always seems to.

The other undeniable fact is that Patrick Mahomes is THE difference between the Bills and KC and why KC has won three SB's.

Mahomes is simply a better QB than Josh, and has been since 2018 when they both began their stating careers in the NFL. I REJECT the idea that coaching staffs have much to do with the the FACT that Mahomes is the best QB in the NFL and has been either the best or second best since 2018.

Every year since 2014, Mike Sando (first with ESPN and then with The Athletic) has brought together between 26 (2014), 35 (2015), 42 (2016) 50 (2017, 2018) 54 (2019), 50 (2020, 2021, 2022 & 2023) "NFL insiders" including current NFL coaches, GM's, coordinators, talent evaluators and QB coaches that are "granted anonymity to share unvarnished evaluations" to place each starting QB into "Tiers".

These evaluations are done PURELY on the traits each QB shows. These are published in the summer or each year so 2023 Tiers was based on 2022 observations, 2022 is based on 2021 etc.

The QB's placed into four or five Tiers (depending on year, most had four Tiers some had five....most years there were not any starting QB's bad enough to be in Tier 5). Each NFL professional votes fore each QB into a Tier.

Quarterbacks were then ranked by average vote and placed into tiers based on vote distribution. They are ranked from #1, #2, etc based on this average.

Each Tier is defined as:

Tier 1 - A Tier 1 quarterback can carry his team each week. The team wins because of him. He expertly handles pure passing situations. He has no real holes in his game.

Tier 2 - A Tier 2 quarterback can carry his team sometimes but not as consistently. He can handle pure passing situations in doses and/or possesses other dimensions that are special enough to elevate him above Tier 3. He has a hole or two in his game.

Tier 3 - A Tier 3 quarterback is a legitimate starter but needs a heavier running game and/or defensive component to win. A lower-volume dropback passing offense suits him best.

Tier 4 - A Tier 4 quarterback could be an unproven player (not enough information for voters to classify) or a veteran who ideally would not start all 17 games.

Tier 5 (when there is any) - A Tier 5 quarterback is best suited as a backup.

There have been only two QB’s that have been in Tier 1 since 2019 (based on 2018 performance….the year that both Mahomes and Allen became starters for each team)

Patrick Mahomes
Aaron Rodgers

Rodgers is the ONLY QB voted into Tier 1 in every of the 10 years this has been done. No, Tom Brady was NOT in Tier 1 every year he was playing while this has been published.

Brady was relegated to Tier 2 in 2020 (based on 2019 season) when he got more Tier 2 votes (28( than Tier 1 (22). So these evaluations are not based on reputation.

The 2023 had Mahomes getting ALL 50 votes placing him in Tier 1.
2022 he got 49 Tier 1 votes and one Tier 2.
2021 he got ALL 50 votes for Tier 1.
2020 he got ALL 50 votes for Tier 1.
2019 he got 48 votes for Tier 1 and 7 votes for Tier 2.

So, in all the FIVE season Patrick Mahomes was the starting QB for KC, he got 247 votes out of a possible 255 for Tier 1. A whopping 96.8%.

Josh Allen on the other hand, took three years to climb into Tier 1 territory.

2023 – JA got 44 Tier 1 votes and 6 Tier 2.
2022 – JA’s first year obtaining Tier 1 status his voting average was 1.22 for Tier 1 (they do not give vote totals every year)
2021 – JA got 20 Tier 1 votes and 30 Tier 2. He was deemed a “Tier 2” that year.
2020 – JA got 4 Tier 2 votes, 40 Tier 3 and 6 Tier 4. He was deemed a “Tier 3” QB.
2019 – JA received 18 Tier 3 votes, 36 Tier 4 and 1 Tier 5. He was deemed a “Tier 4” QB.

So, NFL professionals with all their expertise and experience, have made it crystal clear that Mahomes has been an ELITE TIER 1 QB since the day he became starter.

Josh Allen has steadily improved and now is consider a Tier 1 QB, but STILL behind Mahomes.

THAT REALITY IS WHAT is what I am saying. It is undeniable and indisputable.

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What I am saying is that Josh Allen has NOT shown he can get to, much less win a SB at this time. That is a FACT.

I am NOT saying that he is the "sole reason the Bills haven't gone to, much less won, a SB yet".

What I AM saying is that THIS YEAR, Josh had the opportunity in the palm of his capable hands to step up and win the game vs KC. He has already shown that he can do that....as he did in 2021.


THIS YEAR, Josh FAILED to rise to the occasion, like Mahomes almost always seems to.

The other undeniable fact is that Patrick Mahomes is THE difference between the Bills and KC and why KC has won three SB's.

Mahomes is simply a better QB than Josh, and has been since 2018 when they both began their stating careers in the NFL. I REJECT the idea that coaching staffs have much to do with the the FACT that Mahomes is the best QB in the NFL and has been either the best or second best since 2018.

Every year since 2014, Mike Sando (first with ESPN and then with The Athletic) has brought together between 26 (2014), 35 (2015), 42 (2016) 50 (2017, 2018) 54 (2019), 50 (2020, 2021, 2022 & 2023) "NFL insiders" including current NFL coaches, GM's, coordinators, talent evaluators and QB coaches that are "granted anonymity to share unvarnished evaluations" to place each starting QB into "Tiers".

These evaluations are done PURELY on the traits each QB shows. These are published in the summer or each year so 2023 Tiers was based on 2022 observations, 2022 is based on 2021 etc.

The QB's placed into four or five Tiers (depending on year, most had four Tiers some had five....most years there were not any starting QB's bad enough to be in Tier 5). Each NFL professional votes fore each QB into a Tier.

Quarterbacks were then ranked by average vote and placed into tiers based on vote distribution. They are ranked from #1, #2, etc based on this average.

Each Tier is defined as:

Tier 1 - A Tier 1 quarterback can carry his team each week. The team wins because of him. He expertly handles pure passing situations. He has no real holes in his game.

Tier 2 - A Tier 2 quarterback can carry his team sometimes but not as consistently. He can handle pure passing situations in doses and/or possesses other dimensions that are special enough to elevate him above Tier 3. He has a hole or two in his game.

Tier 3 - A Tier 3 quarterback is a legitimate starter but needs a heavier running game and/or defensive component to win. A lower-volume dropback passing offense suits him best.

Tier 4 - A Tier 4 quarterback could be an unproven player (not enough information for voters to classify) or a veteran who ideally would not start all 17 games.

Tier 5 (when there is any) - A Tier 5 quarterback is best suited as a backup.

There have been only two QB’s that have been in Tier 1 since 2019 (based on 2018 performance….the year that both Mahomes and Allen became starters for each team)

Patrick Mahomes
Aaron Rodgers

Rodgers is the ONLY QB voted into Tier 1 in every of the 10 years this has been done. No, Tom Brady was NOT in Tier 1 every year he was playing while this has been published.

Brady was relegated to Tier 2 in 2020 (based on 2019 season) when he got more Tier 2 votes (28( than Tier 1 (22). So these evaluations are not based on reputation.

The 2023 had Mahomes getting ALL 50 votes placing him in Tier 1.
2022 he got 49 Tier 1 votes and one Tier 2.
2021 he got ALL 50 votes for Tier 1.
2020 he got ALL 50 votes for Tier 1.
2019 he got 48 votes for Tier 1 and 7 votes for Tier 2.

So, in all the FIVE season Patrick Mahomes was the starting QB for KC, he got 247 votes out of a possible 255 for Tier 1. A whopping 96.8%.

Josh Allen on the other hand, took three years to climb into Tier 1 territory.

2023 – JA got 44 Tier 1 votes and 6 Tier 2.
2022 – JA’s first year obtaining Tier 1 status his voting average was 1.22 for Tier 1 (they do not give vote totals every year)
2021 – JA got 20 Tier 1 votes and 30 Tier 2. He was deemed a “Tier 2” that year.
2020 – JA got 4 Tier 2 votes, 40 Tier 3 and 6 Tier 4. He was deemed a “Tier 3” QB.
2019 – JA received 18 Tier 3 votes, 36 Tier 4 and 1 Tier 5. He was deemed a “Tier 4” QB.

So, NFL professionals with all their expertise and experience, have made it crystal clear that Mahomes has been an ELITE TIER 1 QB since the day he became starter.

Josh Allen has steadily improved and now is consider a Tier 1 QB, but STILL behind Mahomes.

THAT REALITY IS WHAT is what I am saying. It is undeniable and indisputable.

You're so far removed from reality it's not even funny. Mahomes isn't the reason they win SBs. Reid took the Eagles to a SB with a good but not great (like Mahomes or Allen) Donovan McNabb and would have won it if McNabb didn't keep inexplicably throwing long passes that kept getting INT'd. And Reid never had a SB-winning DC like he has in Spagnuolo. And now that Brady and Belicheat are gone, their path is clear.

Again, no one will say that they'd take McD and Brady over Reid and Spags (never mind the STCs). That means they're a better coaching staff and coaching is obviously a huge part of winning.

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You're so far removed from reality it's not even funny. Mahomes isn't the reason they win SBs. Reid took the Eagles to a SB with a good but not great (like Mahomes or Allen) Donovan McNabb and would have won it if McNabb didn't keep inexplicably throwing long passes that kept getting INT'd. And Reid never had a SB-winning DC like he has in Spagnuolo. And now that Brady and Belicheat are gone, their path is clear.

Again, no one will say that they'd take McD and Brady over Reid and Spags (never mind the STCs). That means they're a better coaching staff and coaching is obviously a huge part of winning.

So, you are ignoring all the facts, and instead of refuting what I actually write, you put up false straw-man misrepresentations (read: lie) and argue against what I did not say or even think.

Ignore reality if you like. Saying that "Mahomes isn't the reason they win SBs." has got to be one of stupidest, ridiculous things I have heard in quite a while.

YOU are the one that is "so far removed from reality it's not even funny.". Hope you enjoy yourself in La-La Fantasy Land.

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Re: DIFFERENCE IN THE BILL'S AND CHEIFS .....very simple..

So, you are ignoring all the facts, and instead of refuting what I actually write, you put up false straw-man misrepresentations (read: lie) and argue against what I did not say or even think.

Ignore reality if you like. Saying that "Mahomes isn't the reason they win SBs." has got to be one of stupidest, ridiculous things I have heard in quite a while.

YOU are the one that is "so far removed from reality it's not even funny.". Hope you enjoy yourself in La-La Fantasy Land.

No I've pretty much nailed that you are (conveniently) ignoring the large discrepancy in coaching talent and experience between the two teams, and in doing so putting all the blame on Josh and all the success on Mahomes. Again the Bills have barely lost to the Chefs in the playoffs while they've beaten them in the regular season, since 2020.

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No I've pretty much nailed that you are (conveniently) ignoring the large discrepancy in coaching talent and experience between the two teams, and in doing so putting all the blame on Josh and all the success on Mahomes. Again the Bills have barely lost to the Chefs in the playoffs while they've beaten them in the regular season, since 2020.

I almost missed this….

“Reid took the Eagles to a SB with a good but not great (like Mahomes or Allen) Donovan McNabb and would have won it if McNabb didn't keep inexplicably throwing long passes that kept getting INT'd.”

Uhhhhh…..the “…keep inexplicably throwing long passes that kept getting INT'd” is describing much of Josh Allen’s negative's, not McNabb’s.

The fact is that both McNabb and Alex Smith threw a LOT less INT’s than Josh.

Josh Allen:

Career INT% - 2.5%
# of season with 10+ INT – 5
Percentage of seasons with 10+ INT’s – 83.3%
# of season with less than 10 INT’s – 1 – 2019 when he had nine.
Percentage of seasons with Less than 10 INT’s – 16.6%
Highest number of INT’s in one season – 18 – THIS YEAR, 2023

Donovan McNabb:

Career INT% - 2.2%
# of season with 10+ INT – 6
Percentage of seasons with 10+ INT’s – 46.1%
# of season with less than 10 INT’s – 7
Percentage of seasons with Less than 10 INT’s – 53.8%
Highest number of INT’s in one season – 15

Alex Smith:
Career INT% - 2.1%
# of season with 10+ INT – 4
Percentage of seasons with 10+ INT’s – 28.5%%
# of season with less than 10 INT’s – TEN - ONE in the last TEN seasons of his career
Percentage of seasons with Less than 10 INT’s – 71.4%
Highest number of INT’s in one season – 16

You are bolstering my premise that Andy Reid, although he is a great HC, did not see Super Bowl success until he had Patrick Mahomes. An undeniable FACT.

McNabb was a “GREAT” QB, no matter how mcuh you want to crap on him.

BTW…I am NOT “putting all the blame on Josh and all the success on Mahomes”

Why do you feel the need to continually misrepresent (read:lie) what I write????

What I AM saying is that Josh Allen does not rise to the occasion at the most critical times in the most critical games nearly as much as Mahomes has ABSOLUTELY DONE. Over and over and over and over again.

That REALITY was particularly evident in the Bills last loss.

That is NOT “putting all the blame of Josh” for the loss…simply that it is a FACT that he did NOT rise to the occasion and win the game like Mahomes has done time and time and time again.

This is a simple concept. The facts and reality support my premise.

Patrick Mahomes has been a better QB than Josh Allen every year since he became starter. NFL professionals agree.

He is ONE of THE main reasons (I opine the most important factor, but not the "only" (declaring absolutes are dumb)) Reid and KC has seen instant higher-level success (than any other team Reid has coached) and an oversized most critical reason why KC has been in the AFCC game EVERY ****ING YEAR MAHOMES HAS BEEN QB….SIX years in a row…ALL at home.

Winning FOUR of those. And Wining THREE Super Bowls.

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I almost missed this….

“Reid took the Eagles to a SB with a good but not great (like Mahomes or Allen) Donovan McNabb and would have won it if McNabb didn't keep inexplicably throwing long passes that kept getting INT'd.”

Uhhhhh…..the “…keep inexplicably throwing long passes that kept getting INT'd” is describing much of Josh Allen’s negative's, not McNabb’s.

The fact is that both McNabb and Alex Smith threw a LOT less INT’s than Josh.

Josh Allen:

Career INT% - 2.5%
# of season with 10+ INT – 5
Percentage of seasons with 10+ INT’s – 83.3%
# of season with less than 10 INT’s – 1 – 2019 when he had nine.
Percentage of seasons with Less than 10 INT’s – 16.6%
Highest number of INT’s in one season – 18 – THIS YEAR, 2023

Donovan McNabb:

Career INT% - 2.2%
# of season with 10+ INT – 6
Percentage of seasons with 10+ INT’s – 46.1%
# of season with less than 10 INT’s – 7
Percentage of seasons with Less than 10 INT’s – 53.8%
Highest number of INT’s in one season – 15

Alex Smith:
Career INT% - 2.1%
# of season with 10+ INT – 4
Percentage of seasons with 10+ INT’s – 28.5%%
# of season with less than 10 INT’s – TEN - ONE in the last TEN seasons of his career
Percentage of seasons with Less than 10 INT’s – 71.4%
Highest number of INT’s in one season – 16

You are bolstering my premise that Andy Reid, although he is a great HC, did not see Super Bowl success until he had Patrick Mahomes. An undeniable FACT.

McNabb was a “GREAT” QB, no matter how mcuh you want to crap on him.

BTW…I am NOT “putting all the blame on Josh and all the success on Mahomes”

Why do you feel the need to continually misrepresent (read:lie) what I write????

What I AM saying is that Josh Allen does not rise to the occasion at the most critical times in the most critical games nearly as much as Mahomes has ABSOLUTELY DONE. Over and over and over and over again.

That REALITY was particularly evident in the Bills last loss.

That is NOT “putting all the blame of Josh” for the loss…simply that it is a FACT that he did NOT rise to the occasion and win the game like Mahomes has done time and time and time again.

This is a simple concept. The facts and reality support my premise.

Patrick Mahomes has been a better QB than Josh Allen every year since he became starter. NFL professionals agree.

He is ONE of THE main reasons (I opine the most important factor, but not the "only" (declaring absolutes are dumb)) Reid and KC has seen instant higher-level success (than any other team Reid has coached) and an oversized most critical reason why KC has been in the AFCC game EVERY ****ING YEAR MAHOMES HAS BEEN QB….SIX years in a row…ALL at home.

Winning FOUR of those. And Wining THREE Super Bowls.

The facts and reality are that superior coaching will almost always win when the talent level is equal. Not that it was equal in that game seeing as how the Bills' defense was decimated in the back 7.

Did you think that Joe Brady, a guy who was an OC for just 2 seasons in the NFL and who took over someone else's offense mid-season was going to be able to compete with a guy who has been a DC for decades and shut down the greatest offense in NFL history in the SB? Did you think that the fake punt was a smart coaching decision?

And Josh rose to the occasion in 2021. Only to see bad coaching and defensive play lose it for him. See a trend? So spare me.

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Re: DIFFERENCE IN THE BILL'S AND CHEIFS .....very simple..

The facts and reality are that superior coaching will almost always win when the talent level is equal. Not that it was equal in that game seeing as how the Bills' defense was decimated in the back 7.

Did you think that Joe Brady, a guy who was an OC for just 2 seasons in the NFL and who took over someone else's offense mid-season was going to be able to compete with a guy who has been a DC for decades and shut down the greatest offense in NFL history in the SB? Did you think that the fake punt was a smart coaching decision?

And Josh rose to the occasion in 2021. Only to see bad coaching and defensive play lose it for him. See a trend? So spare me.

Actually, you are offering up the reason why I think that McD did a fantastic coaching job (equal to Reid's....KC had one of the lowest number of games lost to starters, much, MUCH less than the Bills and the Bills still were the higher seed), and DESPITE THE FACT that "Bills' defense was decimated in the back 7" they were in PRIME POSITION to WIN THAT GAME.

Earlier in this thread you whined that "And the Bills for all their "ball control" offense scored just 7 points in the 2nd half."....uhhhhh.....KC only scored 7 points less...14.

BUT, the Bills were in a PERFECT SITUATION to equal KC's 2nd half scoring and WIN THE ****ING GAME, IF Josh made better decisions. It was LESS of KC's defense that prevented the Bills to do so, over JOSH'S BAD DECISIONS after the 2 min mark, and poor game awareness.


The FACT is that the Bills and KC DO have "talent level that is equal" EXCEPT at QB.

The more you post, the more you bolster my arguments. Spare me me your blind spot.

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Re: DIFFERENCE IN THE BILL'S AND CHEIFS .....very simple..

BTW...in 2021. After the OT win vs the Bills (that the rules were so unfair that it caused a CHANGE to playoff rules) KC LOST to Cincy in the AFCC game at home.

The lost because of VERY RARE TERRIBLE decision making by Mahomes both at the end of the first half and especially in OT, when he threw three AWFUL passes in a row....the last one a extremely POOR boneheaded INT that allowed Cincy to win and go to the SB.

Was that Reid's fault or Mahomes????