Merged Thread: NFL Bans Drop Hip Tackles

[DraftBoy]

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I think myself, and others, would have a much positive outlook on this rule change if it also included the implementation of full-time officials who can actually be trained year round and held accountable for incorrect calls.

[OpIv37]

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I think myself, and others, would have a much positive outlook on this rule change if it also included the implementation of full-time officials who can actually be trained year round and held accountable for incorrect calls.

That’s the thing. These “discretion” rules are always implemented subjectively and bad calls will cost teams games.

[ParanoidAndroid]

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That’s the thing. These “discretion” rules are always implemented subjectively and bad calls will cost teams games.

And it won't be consistent from one crew to the next.

That's kind of a persistent issue as of late. Teams being disadvantaged by crew assignment shouldn't be a thing.

[Ingtar33]

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I'm going to post this video again. this is Geno Smith getting injured; the NFL cited this injury specifically as a Hip Drop Tackle when talking about the new rule

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cNFqUqbXKI

Notice, the giants defender has let go of geno smith before landing on him, look at the angle. tell me how he was supposed to tackle geno smith on this play?

here is another league cited example of a hip drop tackle. this time mark andrews.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fa3smREgzo

look at the spot on the field this happens. tell me how is he supposed to be tackled here? YES this is actually a hip drop tackle (I'd debate the geno smith one, but this clearly was) but this is football. what is the defender supposed to be. look at the angle he has on mark andrews. the only way this doesn't become a hip drop tackle is if he risks a blow to mark andrew's head and go for a hit up high.

now look at this injury. the victim this time? Patrick Mahomes. Now to the league's credit, after passing this rule, they didn't cite mahomes injury on this play, however, I would like to point out, leading up to the banning of the hip drop tackle, this play was cited every single time as a play that needed to be banned. and i fear with the wording on the new rule, this play COULD now be flagged as a 15 yarder.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLBKHbbYBXQ

Again, i'm all for player safety, but you can't convince me no1 is actually a hip drop tackle (I guess it is according to the new rules, but seriously what is the defender supposed to do there?), no.2 is a hip drop tackle, but short of letting andrews run for a TD how is that defender supposed to tackle him. please explain that in language this dumb ex-jock can understand it because i don't see how he could tackle mark andrews legally anymore, short of diving at his ankles, which might even be a penalty under the hip drop rules now. And no.3 is no hip drop tackle by any explanation i've seen though the league used it as an example of a hip drop tackle in the lead up to banning it and then worded the rule so vaguely it might actually now be a 15 yarder.

I think no.3 is the most offensive to me, because there will be teams losing games for calls like that one (if it was called a hip drop tackle)

[sukie]

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Oddly enough the guy that injured Andrew’s injured Pollard the year before… I was taught wrap up the legs. That’s the legs that are below hips. Grabbing Andrew’s hip and hanging on while you are flung around so that full weight is on the legs doesn’t need to happen.

Wrap up the legs people

[acehole]

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I am wondering if this changes strategies in drafting?


Meaning...

A larger receiver is harder to tackle anyway for a smaller DB.

Would the trend then be larger receivers and larger Cornerbacks to help minimize penalties for this rule?

Good Tackling defenders become a premium ECT?

Hip-drop tackles are much more dangerous than other tackles, according to the NFL executive in charge of health and safety issues.

NFL Executive Vice President Jeff Miller said today that the injury rate on hip-drop tackles is about 20 to 25 times greater than on other tackles. Miller also said defensive players are using hip-drop tackles more than ever before.

Given those concerns, Miller said “it’s certainly my hope” that the NFL will ban hip drops this off-season, according to Judy Battista of NFL Media.

Still, there are real concerns about whether hip-drop tackles can be defined adequately to create a rule that the players understand and the officials call consistently. A hip-drop tackle could loosely be defined as when a tackler grabs a ball carrier and drops his body weight directly onto the ball carrier’s legs or back, but the precise language of the rule will be important.


NFL says injury rate on hip-drop tackles is 20-25 times that of other tackles - NBC Sports

[Historian]

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If this is the way the league is going, so be it.

Unfortunately, these tackles are bound to happen by accident, in the normal process of tackling.

I can remember how Bruce Smith used to grab a ballcarrier by the hips, and bring him down on top of himself.

What's a defender supposed to do....let him go?

[Ed]

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Beane was on McAfee's show and they discussed this. Beane thinks that it's going to be something that you see guys get fined for, but probably won't get called much during the game unless it's really obvious. He said he doesn't want to see more flags and it's already hard enough for defenders, but they're going to fine players to discourage blatant violations to try and prevent more injuries.

[Turf]

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This opens the door for more BS calls by the refs. Imagine a game saving tackle wiped out by a call like this. People will lose their minds. I think this call is too much of a grey area to be interpreted. So now you have to tackle someone without falling on them to be safe?

[sukie]

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Can you imagine the game saving tackle wiped out by a hip drop call? Can you wipe out the IR ankle injury as well?

[John Doe]

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This will be akin to the old ruling on pornography:

There is vague definition, but the ref will know it when he sees it.

[Mad Max]

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Just like every other rule this one will start a little rough and then get adjusted to by the players and the refs.

For example targeting type tackles were once pretty common weren’t they? Once it was outlawed the flags flew fast and furiously then everyone adjusted over time.

[jamze132]

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You guys are going to pay $50K+ for a PSL to watch two-hand-touch football.

[Mad Max]

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You guys are going to pay $50K+ for a PSL to watch two-hand-touch football.

Terry’s cheap.

[notacon]

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Gee...judgement calls will affect games. WOW, what an enlightening idea.

The idea that banning the very dangerous hip drop tackle is akin to the game moving toward "two handed touch football" is ludicrous hyperbole.

There is ZERO DOUBT that drop hip tackles results in more injuries. The facts are undeniable. Of COURSE defensive players are going to whine about it. Of course offensive players (who's health and career on on the line) are going to welcome it.

All-in-all, the instances that it may be badly called, is VASTLY outweighed by the probability that it's banning will result in fewer unnecessary injuries.

It's best to wait to see exactly how the refs call it before making any solid judgements.

Right now (again, let's see how it is implemented), it's a very positive and smart thing for the NFL to adopt.