Can you win a Super Bowl without a great #1 WR?

[OpIv37]

Again,

Do you really think McDermott would've benched Hyde or Poyer?

If they weren’t playing as well as the backup, he absolutely should have benched them. If he didn’t, it’s a problem.

Again, this wreaks of just making excuses for why it’s acceptable to replace starters with their backups instead of bringing in more talent.

[OpIv37]

Because Poyer was a highly respected Safety and on a big contract. Regardless of his current skill set, he was the starter.
I believe Terrell Bernard was a better LB than Edmunds but if Edmunds was still on the team we would know about Bernard expect for spot duty.

i don’t think Rapp played Hyde’s safety roll BUT Hyde barely made the field, is still available and THAT speaks volumes.

I mean, if the coach is putting players on the field based on contracts and not based on who’s actually playing the best, we have much bigger problems than I thought.

[sukie]

That happens all the time. Careers end new ones blossom. Players often play one too many seasons.

the drop off can be equal to or below the able bodied back up.

no way of knowing Bernard would play that well when Edmunds was in there. You can’t gauge a player on practice alone.

packers didn’t know how good Love was until Rodgers left. They didn’t know how good Rodgers was until Favre left.

[notacon]

All of them. They literally added nobody at the positions we lost.

Wrong, as usual.

Are you even awake when you write crap like this????

[OpIv37]

Wrong, as usual.

Are you even awake when you write crap like this????

Go ahead and write a 9 paragraph post to mind **** yourself into thinking we didn’t lose talent when we obviously did.

[OpIv37]

That happens all the time. Careers end new ones blossom. Players often play one too many seasons.

the drop off can be equal to or below the able bodied back up.

no way of knowing Bernard would play that well when Edmunds was in there. You can’t gauge a player on practice alone.

packers didn’t know how good Love was until Rodgers left. They didn’t know how good Rodgers was until Favre left.

QB’s are a completely different animal.

And if Poyer is on such obvious decline, and we have someone like Rapp on the bench behind him, then it’s on the coaches to make the switch.

And, the argument here is that Rapp has experience, but you just used two guys who had 0 experience as examples. Benching a S for another experienced S isn’t the same thing at all as benching a starting QB for one with no experience.

And, we can’t go into the season replacing guys with backups cuz “hey, you never really know til they play, right?” Again, that’s drought-era thinking.

[Mad Max]

QB’s are a completely different animal.

And if Poyer is on such obvious decline, and we have someone like Rapp on the bench behind him, then it’s on the coaches to make the switch.

And, the argument here is that Rapp has experience, but you just used two guys who had 0 experience as examples. Benching a S for another experienced S isn’t the same thing at all as benching a starting QB for one with no experience.

And, we can’t go into the season replacing guys with backups cuz “hey, you never really know til they play, right?” Again, that’s drought-era thinking.

Ok Op time for early predictions to determine the amount of your cynicism.

over or under 9 wins in your opinion for 2024?

[notacon]

Jesus dude, you’re incorrigible

Mike Edwards 2 time Super Bowl champ (replacing Hyde/poyer) isn’t a ‘kid’
Taylor rapp isn’t a ‘kid’ (replacing Hyde/poyer)
Curtis Samuel isn’t a ‘kid’ (replacing one of the wr)
Tre whites replacement (Douglas / benford) aren’t kids

I’ll give you McGovern as we don’t know what we are getting

and the two wr we need in the draft are kids

but to act like we are just winging it with replacements is just false

+1

Sure looks like Opi is taking the fantasy football mindset.

Of course in the real world it does not work that way. Players do NOT perform in a vacuum, like they do in fantasy football (full disclosure...I hate fantasy football...it's such bullcrap).

In a TEAM sport like NFL football, how the different pieces mesh together, and are suitable for an offensive and defensive scheme is much more critical than the silly......"No one has any idea how the kids will play. We lost Diggs, Davis, Poyer, White, Hyde and Morse. Expecting the kids to step up and play well enough to replace all of that…. Just insanity. Yes, they were all past their prime but it’s still a talent deficit. We have no one proven to be equal or better."

Of course, Opi does not even listen to himself. The most credible thing his whinefest expressed was "No one has any idea how the kids will play."

In Opi's fantasy football world, it's just assumed that the "kids" will not be as good as the departed, no matter if some of them were washed up has-beens. In Opi's fantasy world no young player ever gets better...no backup can replace a starter and do a better job. How lame!!

But, we DO know how the departed DID perform, especially in the most critical games.

Diggs - SUCKED in the playoffs, like he has in every single playoff loss the Bills have had his four years on the team. Once the offensive scheme changed after Brady took over, he was invisible. The Bills literally won MORE GAMES (7 including playoffs) than they did before Diggs was de-emphasized (5 up to the Denver debacle). Diggs had almost nothing to do with the Bills fantasit 6-1 finish (which Opi said would NEVER happen) . Diggs was TERRIBLE in the KC loss....an albatross.

Davis - His 55% catch % was the worst of any pass catcher on the team. MUCH less than Shakir's 86.6% and Kincaid's 80.2%. His route running was terrible. He could hardly ever get any separation. He was a dismally bad #2 WR last year. He did not play in either of the playoff games and he was not missed.

Poyer - damaged goods. He's done. No wonder the best FA offer he could get was barley above vet min.

White - damaged goods. Only played in 10 games the past two years. He was below average in at least half of those.

Hyde - more damaged goods. No one wants him.

Morse - good player on the downside of his career. So many concussions. McGovern will be just fine as his replacement. The Bills will not notice he's gone.

Opi's pearl clutching makes little sense in the real world. The NFL is a constant churn of players.

The offensive core is strong. Curtis is a great addition. Cook is coming into his own. Shakir is ready to become a star. Kincaid is poised to become a superstar. Josh Allen already is a superstar.

The Bills are well positioned to draft one or two good WR's. I suspect that one of this years WR draft choices will be starting on day one and do a very good job.

By mid-season we will probably all be saying that we are much better off without any of those departed players. In any event, it's best to wait and see what this team is going to be before declaring them dead and digging their grave.

How ****ing pathetic it is to do that....and Opi does it every ****ing year.

[sukie]

QB’s are a completely different animal.

And if Poyer is on such obvious decline, and we have someone like Rapp on the bench behind him, then it’s on the coaches to make the switch.

And, the argument here is that Rapp has experience, but you just used two guys who had 0 experience as examples. Benching a S for another experienced S isn’t the same thing at all as benching a starting QB for one with no experience.

And, we can’t go into the season replacing guys with backups cuz “hey, you never really know til they play, right?” Again, that’s drought-era thinking.

Let me play devils advocate. Perhaps there was decline but not detrimental to put a guy in that you have only seen in practice.

perhaos the decline in practice should them to be equals… at least in practice.

players get old much like this conversation. I’d like to bench this Opiv since there is noticeable decline in his argument this time.

[OpIv37]

Let me play devils advocate. Perhaps there was decline but not detrimental to put a guy in that you have only seen in practice.

perhaos the decline in practice should them to be equals… at least in practice.

players get old much like this conversation. I’d like to bench this Opiv since there is noticeable decline in his argument this time.

But it’s somehow ok to make the guy you’ve only seen in practice the starter for next season….gimme a ****ing break.

[OpIv37]

+1

Sure looks like Opi is taking the fantasy football mindset.

Of course in the real world it does not work that way. Players do NOT perform in a vacuum, like they do in fantasy football (full disclosure...I hate fantasy football...it's such bullcrap).

In a TEAM sport like NFL football, how the different pieces mesh together, and are suitable for an offensive and defensive scheme is much more critical than the silly......"No one has any idea how the kids will play. We lost Diggs, Davis, Poyer, White, Hyde and Morse. Expecting the kids to step up and play well enough to replace all of that…. Just insanity. Yes, they were all past their prime but it’s still a talent deficit. We have no one proven to be equal or better."

Of course, Opi does not even listen to himself. The most credible thing his whinefest expressed was "No one has any idea how the kids will play."

In Opi's fantasy football world, it's just assumed that the "kids" will not be as good as the departed, no matter if some of them were washed up has-beens. In Opi's fantasy world no young player ever gets better...no backup can replace a starter and do a better job. How lame!!

But, we DO know how the departed DID perform, especially in the most critical games.

Diggs - SUCKED in the playoffs, like he has in every single playoff loss the Bills have had his four years on the team. Once the offensive scheme changed after Brady took over, he was invisible. The Bills literally won MORE GAMES (7 including playoffs) than they did before Diggs was de-emphasized (5 up to the Denver debacle). Diggs had almost nothing to do with the Bills fantasit 6-1 finish (which Opi said would NEVER happen) . Diggs was TERRIBLE in the KC loss....an albatross.

Davis - His 55% catch % was the worst of any pass catcher on the team. MUCH less than Shakir's 86.6% and Kincaid's 80.2%. His route running was terrible. He could hardly ever get any separation. He was a dismally bad #2 WR last year. He did not play in either of the playoff games and he was not missed.

Poyer - damaged goods. He's done. No wonder the best FA offer he could get was barley above vet min.

White - damaged goods. Only played in 10 games the past two years. He was below average in at least half of those.

Hyde - more damaged goods. No one wants him.

Morse - good player on the downside of his career. So many concussions. McGovern will be just fine as his replacement. The Bills will not notice he's gone.

Opi's pearl clutching makes little sense in the real world. The NFL is a constant churn of players.

The offensive core is strong. Curtis is a great addition. Cook is coming into his own. Shakir is ready to become a star. Kincaid is poised to become a superstar. Josh Allen already is a superstar.

The Bills are well positioned to draft one or two good WR's. I suspect that one of this years WR draft choices will be starting on day one and do a very good job.

By mid-season we will probably all be saying that we are much better off without any of those departed players. In any event, it's best to wait and see what this team is going to be before declaring them dead and digging their grave.

How ****ing pathetic it is to do that....and Opi does it every ****ing year.

And through all of this you still failed to show how we have anyone equal or better to the guys we lost.

[OpIv37]

Ok Op time for early predictions to determine the amount of your cynicism.

over or under 9 wins in your opinion for 2024?

It’s gonna be close. Our division is such ****, but then again this coaching staff is really good at blowing 2 games a year to inferior competition. This is preliminary so I may change it when we have the full schedule, but I’m thinking 9-10 wins, which will be enough to win the East, then whoever doesn’t win the North will slaughter us in the first round.

[Mad Max]

It’s gonna be close. Our division is such ****, but then again this coaching staff is really good at blowing 2 games a year to inferior competition. This is preliminary so I may change it when we have the full schedule, but I’m thinking 9-10 wins, which will be enough to win the East, then whoever doesn’t win the North will slaughter us in the first round.

So you’re taking the over at 10 wins and a playoff appearance with a first round exit.

Not ideal obviously but doesn’t seem to jibe with your “we’re doomed” thesis. By definition ten win teams cannot be as bereft of talent as you’re claiming we now are.

[sukie]

And through all of this you still failed to show how we have anyone equal or better to the guys we lost.

To be clear “equal to or better than” as in how the players performed last season…correct?

[OpIv37]

So you’re taking the over at 10 wins and a playoff appearance with a first round exit.

Not ideal obviously but doesn’t seem to jibe with your “we’re doomed” thesis. By definition ten win teams cannot be as bereft of talent as you’re claiming we now are.

We were supposedly Super Bowl contenders last year. We’re going from that to only making the playoffs by lucking into a weak division.

[sukie]

So you’re taking the over at 10 wins and a playoff appearance with a first round exit.

Not ideal obviously but doesn’t seem to jibe with your “we’re doomed” thesis. By definition ten win teams cannot be as bereft of talent as you’re claiming we now are.

So with all this devastation in terms of talent purge… OpI. Had then losing 1-2 games more than last season?

all this blather over 1-2 games?

[Mad Max]

We were supposedly Super Bowl contenders last year. We’re going from that to only making the playoffs by lucking into a weak division.

And the obligatory goal post movement.

Talent bereft teams by definition don’t make the playoffs…according to your own prediction we make the playoffs, ergo we are not talent bereft.

[OpIv37]

And the obligatory goal post movement.

Talent bereft teams by definition don’t make the playoffs…according to your own prediction we make the playoffs, ergo we are not talent bereft.

Wow, that's putting a hell of a lot of spin on what I said.

We weren't good enough to beat the Chiefs or the Bengals last year. We lost talent. We definitely won't be good enough to beat them this year.

That's what I said. I never said we were completely "talent bereft."

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So with all this devastation in terms of talent purge… OpI. Had then losing 1-2 games more than last season?

all this blather over 1-2 games?

Once again: we weren't good enough to beat the Bengals or Chiefs last year. We lost talent, so we definitely won't be able to beat them this year.

[sukie]

To be clear “equal to or better than” as in how the players performed last season…correct?

Opiv…

[OpIv37]

Opiv…

I don't know what is so confusing to you about this. We saw how the guys we lost played last year. If we are going to equal last year's performance, we need players who are equal or better to what we lost, meaning they've proven ON THE FIELD that they can at least equal the production of the players who are no longer here. It's not complicated.