Can you win a Super Bowl without a great #1 WR?

[OpIv37]

Re: Can you win a Super Bowl without a great #1 WR?

When you look at the Chiefs and Patriots SB teams, you won’t find a Hall of Fame WR on and of those teams. So the answer is absolutely.

Ummm…. Patriots had Gronk and Hernandez before he decided to play Grand Theft Auto IRL. Chiefs have Kelce.

It’s notoriously difficult for WR’s to make the HOF so it’s disingenuous to say that they never had a HOF WR. Plenty of great WR’s will never make the Hall. And, their main receiving threat was a TE, not a WR, but they still had a HOF receiving threat.

Can a team win a SB without a great WR? Probably. Can a team win a SB without a great offensive weapon behind just the QB? No, and the Bills don’t currently have that.

[Mad Max]

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Ummm…. Patriots had Gronk and Hernandez before he decided to play Grand Theft Auto IRL. Chiefs have Kelce.

It’s notoriously difficult for WR’s to make the HOF so it’s disingenuous to say that they never had a HOF WR. Plenty of great WR’s will never make the Hall. And, their main receiving threat was a TE, not a WR, but they still had a HOF receiving threat.

Can a team win a SB without a great WR? Probably. Can a team win a SB without a great offensive weapon behind just the QB? No, and the Bills don’t currently have that.

Brady won THREE Super Bowls without Gronkowski there Opster. He had receivers you wouldn’t know the names of.

We don’t absolutely have to have an all-pro WR.

[kgun12]

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Ummm…. Patriots had Gronk and Hernandez before he decided to play Grand Theft Auto IRL. Chiefs have Kelce.

It’s notoriously difficult for WR’s to make the HOF so it’s disingenuous to say that they never had a HOF WR. Plenty of great WR’s will never make the Hall. And, their main receiving threat was a TE, not a WR, but they still had a HOF receiving threat.

Can a team win a SB without a great WR? Probably. Can a team win a SB without a great offensive weapon behind just the QB? No, and the Bills don’t currently have that.

If you weren’t so busy trying to show us how bad things are, you would have seen I acknowledged the TE in post #10!

[OpIv37]

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If you weren’t so busy trying to show us how bad things are, you would have seen I acknowledged the TE in post #10!

The point still remains. The great QB’s still need a true offensive threat- the guy that’s gonna make the key play on 3rd and 12, the guy that’s gonna draw triple coverage so the rookie 3rd WR can run wide open down the sideline. The Bills don’t have that guy. You could argue that Diggs was no longer that guy- maybe you’d be right but it’s a moot point. We don’t have Diggs, we don’t have that guy and we aren’t gonna get him with the cap situation, at least not this year.

[kgun12]

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The point still remains. The great QB’s still need a true offensive threat- the guy that’s gonna make the key play on 3rd and 12, the guy that’s gonna draw triple coverage so the rookie 3rd WR can run wide open down the sideline. The Bills don’t have that guy. You could argue that Diggs was no longer that guy- maybe you’d be right but it’s a moot point. We don’t have Diggs, we don’t have that guy and we aren’t gonna get him with the cap situation, at least not this year.

NO S**T! But again the thread was can we win a SB without a great #1? I’ll stand but what I said, no. It’s been a moot point, Diggs was non-existent for the most part in the playoffs. Let me ask you this, other than causes issues on this team, what was Diggs contributions to this teams over the last half of last year and the playoffs and can or can we find someone to put up his numbers? I think so!

[OpIv37]

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NO S**T! But again the thread was can we win a SB without a great #1? I’ll stand but what I said, no. It’s been a moot point, Diggs was non-existent for the most part in the playoffs. Let me ask you this, other than causes issues on this team, what was Diggs contributions to this teams over the last half of last year and the playoffs and can or can we find someone to put up his numbers? I think so!

I’d like our chances better if we had the cap space and could have brought in a FA. We will need to find the guy to equal Diggs in the draft, and while this is a strong draft for WR’s, no rookie is ever guaranteed.

Honestly, our best shot is that Kincaid can take a big step forward and be that #1 target and cover for a mediocre WR too

[kgun12]

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I’d like our chances better if we had the cap space and could have brought in a FA. We will need to find the guy to equal Diggs in the draft, and while this is a strong draft for WR’s, no rookie is ever guaranteed.

Honestly, our best shot is that Kincaid can take a big step forward and be that #1 target and cover for a mediocre WR too

Stefon Diggs playoff stats - 2021 - 33.5 yards/game, 0 TDs. 2022 - 74.5 yards/game, 0 TDs. 2023 - 36.5 yards/ game, 0 TDs

I think that’s easily replaced!

I think you are way too fixated on the cap, the Bills have done a lot with what they had. They extended a few, and got rid of a lot of aging players and a locker room cancer that weren’t contributing as much anymore. They will miss some of the leadership, but it’s time for others to step into that role. That’s sports and life in general. Yes, some of the guys they brought in are older, but the team that you are so bothered by them leaving were players that weren’t helping as much. Again that sports and life in general.
I know you absolutely relish being miserable, but maybe you should wait for the final product before climbing out on to the ledge? Just a thought.

[OpIv37]

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Stefon Diggs playoff stats - 2021 - 33.5 yards/game, 0 TDs. 2022 - 74.5 yards/game, 0 TDs. 2023 - 36.5 yards/ game, 0 TDs

I think that’s easily replaced!

I think you are way too fixated on the cap, the Bills have done a lot with what they had. They extended a few, and got rid of a lot of aging players and a locker room cancer that weren’t contributing as much anymore. They will miss some of the leadership, but it’s time for others to step into that role. That’s sports and life in general. Yes, some of the guys they brought in are older, but the team that you are so bothered by them leaving were players that weren’t helping as much. Again that sports and life in general.
I know you absolutely relish being miserable, but maybe you should wait for the final product before climbing out on to the ledge? Just a thought.

Well it's gonna be 5 months before we see the final product, so the only thing we can do is discuss where we think the team is until that time comes.

The reason I keep harping on the cap is because it is preventing us from improving or even maintaining. KC and Cincy (when Burrow is healthy) are ahead of us. We didn't play Baltimore in '23 but I suspect they are ahead of us too. Houston and Jax are improving quickly. Pittsburgh got better. We lost talent- granted, aging and expensive talent that wasn't what it once once- but due to the cap, we were unable to replace it. The big 3 in the AFC are still ahead of us and other teams are rising quickly while we're regressing.

That's why I keep talking about the cap. This year is going to be a setback. You say the players that left weren't helping as much, but we have no one equal or better and can't get anyone cuz of the cap.

[kgun12]

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Well it's gonna be 5 months before we see the final product, so the only thing we can do is discuss where we think the team is until that time comes.

The reason I keep harping on the cap is because it is preventing us from improving or even maintaining. KC and Cincy (when Burrow is healthy) are ahead of us. We didn't play Baltimore in '23 but I suspect they are ahead of us too. Houston and Jax are improving quickly. Pittsburgh got better. We lost talent- granted, aging and expensive talent that wasn't what it once once- but due to the cap, we were unable to replace it. The big 3 in the AFC are still ahead of us and other teams are rising quickly while we're regressing.

That's why I keep talking about the cap. This year is going to be a setback. You say the players that left weren't helping as much, but we have no one equal or better and can't get anyone cuz of the cap.

Yeah, the sky is falling, we suck, but 5months is a long times and a lot of good things can happen! Here's a question for you, do you remember when the Bills sign Lofton? September 27, 1989. The point is, there a lot of players out there that can still help this team!

You've been predicting, seems like (hoping) this forever, but they always seem to have a pretty good season. Yes, we all want a SB and I hope I see one in my life time. With Josh there's always hope. However, like I've said a few time, I have taken all the emotion out of sports. I realized I have absolutely no control about who the draft, sign, cut, gameplan or play calling. So I've taken the Bill Murray from Meatballs approach..."It Just Doesn't Matter! Seriouly, I love this time of year and the more moves the Bills make the more I enjoy it. Once the games start, my interst goes way down.
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[OpIv37]

Re: Can you win a Super Bowl without a great #1 WR?

Yeah, the sky is falling, we suck, but 5months is a long times and a lot of good things can happen! Here's a question for you, do you remember when the Bills sign Lofton? September 27, 1989. The point is, there a lot of players out there that can still help this team!

You've been predicting, seems like (hoping) this forever, but they always seem to have a pretty good season. Yes, we all want a SB and I hope I see one in my life time. With Josh there's always hope. However, like I've said a few time, I have taken all the emotion out of sports. I realized I have absolutely no control about who the draft, sign, cut, gameplan or play calling. So I've taken the Bill Murray from Meatballs approach..."It Just Doesn't Matter! Seriouly, I love this time of year and the more moves the Bills make the more I enjoy it. Once the games start, my interst goes way down.
"

The problem with getting players comes right back to the cap. There was no cap in 1989. It doesn’t matter who comes available. We won’t be able to sign them.

[kgun12]

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The problem with getting players comes right back to the cap. There was no cap in 1989. It doesn’t matter who comes available. We won’t be able to sign them.

The Bills have done a pretty good job so far of keeping the players they wanted and signing others without “cap money!” Besides what part of White’s $10 million June 1 payday don’t you understand? The point of bringing up Lofton is with the June money if we don’t get a top 5 WR in the draft we will the money to make a trade or sign a James Lofton type. You really have trouble seeing the forest through the trees don’t you?

[Mad Max]

Re: Can you win a Super Bowl without a great #1 WR?

The Bills have done a pretty good job so far of keeping the players they wanted and signing others without “cap money!” Besides what part of White’s $10 million June 1 payday don’t you understand? The point of bringing up Lofton is with the June money if we don’t get a top 5 WR in the draft we will the money to make a trade or sign a James Lofton type. You really have trouble seeing the forest through the trees don’t you?

“What Forest?”
-OpI

[kgun12]

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“What Forest?”
-OpI

I laughed out loud at this!

[Mad Max]

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I laughed out loud at this!

OpI is entertaining. I usually don’t like people who are constantly eeyoring but he’s an exception, the man never breaks from character. That’s dedication.

I do miss his eeyore avatar though. It was the perfect fit. You must have lost a bet to use that avatar right OpI? And that’s why when I called you out last season to make an avatar bet you ran and hid. You didn’t want me sticking you with the Trojan helmet lol.

[OpIv37]

Re: Can you win a Super Bowl without a great #1 WR?

The Bills have done a pretty good job so far of keeping the players they wanted and signing others without “cap money!” Besides what part of White’s $10 million June 1 payday don’t you understand? The point of bringing up Lofton is with the June money if we don’t get a top 5 WR in the draft we will the money to make a trade or sign a James Lofton type. You really have trouble seeing the forest through the trees don’t you?

$10 million isn’t going to replace Diggs, Davis, Morse, White, Poyer and Hyde. There is simply no way to go into next season with talent that is equal to or better than last season, and we already know last season’s team was behind several others in the AFC in terms of talent.